Politics So...Europe then?

[Bodhi]

Said it before and will says, a federal Europe would be great if it was fair.

But it isn't and those in power don't want it, so fuck it.

I've always maintained, that a European Union is a great idea. The one we have is a fucking abortion, full of self serving bureaucrats who only really care about jobs in Brussels.

Or Strasbourg when they all up sticks and bugger off there for the week.

 

[dysfunction]

And Our politicians care more about our welfare? Lol

 

[Job]

Farage got a round of applause from most of the MEPs for saying that the EU ws treating Hungary and Poland like they were satellite states of the Soviet Union.

 

[Job]

And Our politicians care more about our welfare? Lol

The problem is whos fooling who, tge EU has to go federal or it is pointless, atm its just a collection of treaties, you could pit the entire EU on a 256GB memory card.
If Europe is to take on the world they have to silence the voices of the individual countries, harmonise everything and build an army.
Anything less is toothless and wasteful.
I dont want Britain in that because, by default it will go tits up, bevause thats what Europeans do.

 

[Gwadien]

I dont want Britain in that because, by default it will go tits up, bevause thats what Europeans do.

Because Britain is amazing, and the Continental Europeans are inferior.

Little Englander.

 

[caLLous]

Hate to break it to you @Job but Britain will still be in Europe and therefore European.

 

[old.user4556]

Go to the USA, then come back to Europe. I love Europe.

 

[Bodhi]

Go to the USA, then come back to Europe. I love Europe.

Have done. Several times. Both are awesome, for completely different reasons.

 

[Job]

Hate to break it to you @Job but Britain will still be in Europe and therefore European.

Yet again people confusing the EU with Europe...they have sold this pup to the masses to the point people think the EU is Europe...and they troll out the tiresome...you cant move Britain away...xenophobe..wby do you hate foreigners.
It the fucking EU we hate..not the people or the countries.

 

[Job]

Go to the USA, then come back to Europe. I love Europe.

So do I...again and again...its the EU we are leaving, not Europe.

 

[Ormorof]

I believe he was mocking your "thats what europeans do" phrase

 

[Job]

Because Britain is amazing, and the Continental Europeans are inferior.

Little Englander.

We are Europeans..so when I say thats what we do includes us...the EU is simply dragging up old conflicts and the closer they try to tie the countries togethet the worse it will get.

 

[Raven]

Here is a party for those still completely incapable of accepting the reality that we are out.

Cable urges 'exit from Brexit' referendum

Just a shame he is so puddled that he doesn't realise the next general election is years after we wave goodbye to the EU, so he has single handedly made the Lib Dems (more) irrelevant now and irrelevant afterwards.

 

[Raven]

I am so glad regulations are so well adhered to in the EU.

Can you imagine what would happen if most countries just paid them lip-service?

Farm animals dying in transit

 

[Scouse]

UK hauliers guilty too...

 

[Raven]

Yup, but not on our patch.

You can't expect UK customs and other regulators to check what happens on the mainland.

 

[Scouse]

You can and should expect UK hauliers to act according to the laws they're obliged to uphold instead of acting like scummy little fucktards the minute they cross the Turkish border.

If I don't fuck underage children in the UK but get to Thailand and indulge in depravity is that OK because it's 'not on our patch'?

UK hauliers are guilty. Yes, enforcement clearly needs to be better - but there is a reasonable expectation that businesses should obey the law, not immediately ditch it when nobody is looking.




ALSO, as part of the EU our government has a responsibility to be involved in enforcement - whether through manpower or shared funding responsibilities - and the prosecution and/or closing down of any of the scum companies involved.

 

[Job]

Got in one of my arguments on reddit, this guy replied that part of EU law is that immigration becomes with a responsibilty of the EU to fund any needed increase of public services, and the government are just spending it on something else.
Not sure if this is true, but sounds reasonable.

 

[Raven]

You can and should expect UK hauliers to act according to the laws they're obliged to uphold instead of acting like scummy little fucktards the minute they cross the Turkish border.

If I don't fuck underage children in the UK but get to Thailand and indulge in depravity is that OK because it's 'not on our patch'?

UK hauliers are guilty. Yes, enforcement clearly needs to be better - but there is a reasonable expectation that businesses should obey the law, not immediately ditch it when nobody is looking.




ALSO, as part of the EU our government has a responsibility to be involved in enforcement - whether through manpower or shared funding responsibilities - and the prosecution and/or closing down of any of the scum companies involved.

Based on the disagree.

You are saying UK customs and other regulatory bodies should operate on mainland Europe? How would that work exactly? Under what jurisdiction, what are you on about?

Agree, UK hauliers should be prosecuted, regardless of where they are found to have broken the laws (That are enforced here) but if the EU member states are to lackadaisical to trouble themselves with enforcing EU regs then how exactly are we going to determine they have been broken? Crystal ball?

 

[Scouse]

You are saying UK customs and other regulatory bodies should operate on mainland Europe? How would that work exactly? Under what jurisdiction, what are you on about?

I thought it was pretty clear in my post m8:

as part of the EU our government has a responsibility to be involved in enforcement - whether through manpower or shared funding responsibilities

But to clarify further - that manpower could be UK funded staff under EU (or the country involved's) direction - but most likely we could pay into the EU and contribute to an EU-funded welfare force.

What's most likely actually happening (though your guess is as good as mine - who the fuck knows how this actually works?) is that the EU expects various border forces to police on their own with centralised reporting mechanisms - but considering most of these offences are happening outside EU borders then that's very hard to police.

Personally I'd like to see all member states pay into a fund that provisions staff that can rock up across borders - and maybe have reciprocal agreements with our non-EU partners to give us the ability to monitor EU-member haulage companies in non-EU destinations and report back to their countries of origin for prosecution if necessary.


Regardless of the above - the anger here shouldn't be directed at the EU - it should be directed at the criminal haulage companies who are flouting their legal responsibilities - and they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

 

[Job]

Interesting debate on our divorce bill, people are looking into how much they owe us for our investments we made during our membership, once someone starts shouting who owns what , it will become the mother of all separations......lawyers rub hands in glee.

 

[Scouse]

"Interesting debate"? Where?

After all these years, why are links beyond you @Job?

 

[Job]

It's old news, but rearing its head again.

Britain will get money back from the EU instead of paying to leave under plans being considered by ministers

 

[dysfunction]

Anything from April relating to Brexit is dead news...

Are you talking about this:
Brexit: David Davis denies Theresa May will agree €50bn divorce bill

Or this:

Why has Boris Johnson revived the £350m-a-week Brexit claim?

 

[Job]

Actually, they have all settled on about 270-325 is the actual amount it costs us, which isn't exactly much, and its not about the money, though remainers are trying to make that the story.

 

[Gwadien]

I don't think it's Brexit which people are getting riled up by, it's the incompetence of the Government in dealing with it.

It just adds to the financial uncertainty that there already is, investors looking at the UK with one minister saying we're going to get money from the EU whilst others are saying it's gonna cost us a fortune!

 

[Job]

This incompetence is entirely a construct of the press and the EU public relations office, we hear sound bites for political purposes and lots of shouting from the left, but not an ounce of real facts.
You would be led to believe we turn up with a load of coffee stained paperwork which we drop on the floor as we walk in the room and all the continentals start scoffing and throwing insults.

 

[Wij]

Sure. Our ministers are geniuses.

 

[DaGaffer]

This incompetence is entirely a construct of the press and the EU public relations office, we hear sound bites for political purposes and lots of shouting from the left, but not an ounce of real facts.
You would be led to believe we turn up with a load of coffee stained paperwork which we drop on the floor as we walk in the room and all the continentals start scoffing and throwing insults.

No...we've actually seen the position papers. Which are unworkable gibberish. We've seen May's performance in the election, which would have been laughable if it wasn't so pathetic, we've seen key ministers contradicting each other on Brexit since the start. Even Grenfell tower, which literally only needed May to rock up and say "public enquiry and here's a load of money" and she couldn't even get that right. The press aren't making stuff up, these people are fucking idiots, on every level, not just the Brexit negotiations. May was a terrible Home secretary and she's a worse Prime Minister. Johnson is just opportunistic scum. Fox shouldn't be allowed near a position of responsibility (everyone seems to forget he resigned in 2011 for a massive breach in MOD security); frankly he should be in prison. Only Davis is remotely competent and even he's making a pig's ear of things.

 

[Wij]

One of the many things our brexit ministers show no sign of understanding:


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