Politics So...Europe then?

[Tom]

The point you are refusing to accept is that everyone is in charge of their own destiny, social mobility blah blah, try complaining about the lack of it to someone in the 3rd world ffs. People have every opportunity to better themselves, if they don't want to take those chances then fuck'um.

I believe you'll continue to believe this nonsense right up to the day where, through no fault of your own, you find yourself utterly unable to work through illness or injury. You lose your home, your savings, many of your possessions. The government makes you jump through smaller and smaller hoops, you leave the heating off, the electricity bill goes unpaid, the debts mount up. And some cretin in a government building lacking a disabled entrance tells you you're fit to work, despite the fact you can only walk for 1 minute and have great difficulty concentrating on anything, and removes your benefits.

Perhaps then, when you're in tears visiting a food bank (I've seen this and it's horrible), you might change your opinion.

 

[Job]

You must always remember.
If you eradicate the people below you, then you become the bottom.

 

[Job]

I believe you'll continue to believe this nonsense right up to the day where, through no fault of your own, you find yourself utterly unable to work through illness or injury. You lose your home, your savings, many of your possessions. The government makes you jump through smaller and smaller hoops, you leave the heating off, the electricity bill goes unpaid, the debts mount up. And some cretin in a government building lacking a disabled entrance tells you you're fit to work, despite the fact you can only walk for 1 minute and have great difficulty concentrating on anything, and removes your benefits.

Perhaps then, when you're in tears visiting a food bank (I've seen this and it's horrible), you might change your opinion.

An awful lot of food bank users and homeless are divorced men...the woman gets everything and the man becomes a burden on his family and friends, they actually turn to the streets to get some self respect..losing their jobs because of poor mental health during the break up.
They are crying through shame.

 

[Bodhi]

You don't really believe that do you? The move towards zero hour contracts has nothing to do with giving workers more choices; its about slashing wage bills and nothing else. There may be a subset of people who find such contracts useful (although given the way they're set up often precludes easily managing a second job), but that's not the intention, its a side-effect.

Yet, when McDonald's offered employees in 23 cities the chance to move off Zero Hour Contracts, 80 percent of those offered said No ta.

McDonald's offers all staff an end to zero-hours contracts

I'd say 80 percent was a fucking big subset Tbh.

 

[DaGaffer]

Yet, when McDonald's offered employees in 23 cities the chance to move off Zero Hour Contracts, 80 percent of those offered said No ta.

McDonald's offers all staff an end to zero-hours contracts

I'd say 80 percent was a fucking big subset Tbh.

For McDonalds, where most of their staff in the UK are students, and they were given a 15% rise to stay on zero-hour contracts. Your sample size of 1 company isn't very informative. Its still a side-effect.

 

[Bodhi]

People on zero-hours contracts are as happy as permanent employees

Zero-hours contract workers happy, survey suggests - BBC News

Need I go on?

 

[Raven]

For McDonalds, where most of their staff in the UK are students, and they were given a 15% rise to stay on zero-hour contracts. Your sample size of 1 company isn't very informative. Its still a side-effect.

If someone is looking for a solid 35-40 a week then why would they chose to work on a zero hours contract? and even more bizarrely, then complain about it?

Contracts that do not guarantee a minimum number of hours - Office for National Statistics

33% of people on them are 16-24
18% in full time education

The vast majority of zero hours contracts are for industries such as food, entertainment, retail etc where it makes sense to use staff as and when needed. It also makes sense for those that chose to work in those industries. Since when were they 9-5, 5 days a week situations settings?

Most of us wouldn't chose (There is that word again!) to work on a zero hours contract, because they don't suit our lifestyles. They are perfectly fine for lots of people though.

 

[DaGaffer]

People on zero-hours contracts are as happy as permanent employees

Zero-hours contract workers happy, survey suggests - BBC News

Need I go on?

Two articles referring to the same survey? Yeah, you probably do.

 

[Scouse]

And a survey carried out by an organisation which offers it's services to companies on how best to arrange zero hour contracts, amongst other things.

 

[Job]

So..Spanish holidays eh, now the locals and the terrorists are after you.

 

[Raven]

THATS SO WITTY

 

[Bodhi]

Two articles referring to the same survey? Yeah, you probably do.

Nice eye for detail. Shame the two surveys are two years apart.

 

[Raven]

And a survey carried out by an organisation which offers it's services to companies on how best to arrange zero hour contracts, amongst other things.

HR advice and information company in gathering information and offering HR related advice to companies shocker.

Would you have prefered the survey(s) to have been carried out by RICS, or perhaps the bee-keeping institute?

Do the doors on your car fall off when you come to a stop?

 

[DaGaffer]

Nice eye for detail. Shame the two surveys are two years apart.

Its an update of the same report; its the same methodology from the same people, they even say its just an update:
Views on Hours & Short Hours Contracts | Reports | CIPD

 

[caLLous]

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » New polling finds that more than a third of Leave voters believed that £350m a week would be coming to the NHS

 

[Raven]

Government runs July budget surplus for first time in 15 years - BBC News

 

[Scouse]

Government runs July budget surplus for first time in 15 years - BBC News

Ruth Gregory, economist at Capital Economics, said the figures were probably just a blip, as the deadline fell on a different day of the week from last year.

"Self-assessment receipts were boosted by the 31 July deadline falling on a Monday this year, but Sunday in 2016, meaning that some receipts were recorded in August last year," she said.

She pointed out that so far, borrowing was still some 9% higher than the £20.9bn seen last year, with the OBR expecting this to worsen further

Higher borrowing that doesn't even include the figures that are propping up the banks.


Meanwhile Joe Public is at food banks and Steven Hawking says our health secretary is cherry picking his evidence in an effort to destroy the NHS.

 

[Raven]

I like how the talking head pulls out the seasonal blip line, trying to compare it to last year, when its compared to 15 years. It wouldn't be because everything is defying his and his mates predictions, would it?

I think you need to look at your beloved EU banks for high banking sector borrowing

If only we could use that logic on climate change, eh?

I am glad the physicist, Stephen Hawking who lives in America is suddenly an expert on the UK health service too.

 

[Gwadien]

Higher borrowing that doesn't even include the figures that are propping up the banks.


Meanwhile Joe Public is at food banks and Steven Hawking says our health secretary is cherry picking his evidence in an effort to destroy the NHS.

It doesn't directly have an impact on @Raven so who gives a shit?!

 

[Raven]

It impacts everyone...if the dOOOOm was real, which it isn't.

Carry on raising awareness but doing absolutely fuck all to help though

 

[Gwadien]

EU citizen detention letters sent in error - BBC News

warming up lads

 

[Ormorof]

Seems prudent for civil service to get this in place but a bit dumb to push it to production by accident

 

[Gwadien]

I'd wager it was people from Africa or the Middle East that had been given European passports.

 

[DaGaffer]

I'd wager it was people from Africa or the Middle East that had been given European passports.

Nope.

 

[Hawkwind]

EU citizen detention letters sent in error - BBC News

warming up lads

she's ugly she need to go

 

[Raven]

Ginger.

Reasonable grounds for deportation.

 

[Scouse]

Definitely a laughing matter.

 

[Job]

I like how the talking head pulls out the seasonal blip line, trying to compare it to last year, when its compared to 15 years. It wouldn't be because everything is defying his and his mates predictions, would it?

I think you need to look at your beloved EU banks for high banking sector borrowing

If only we could use that logic on climate change, eh?

I am glad the physicist, Stephen Hawking who lives in America is suddenly an expert on the UK health service too.

No idea whats going on with Hawking...I think his voicebox has been hacked by alien conspiracy lefties.

 

[Raven]

He is perfectly entitled to an opinion, as is anyone, and he is probably right about the NHS, but its been shit for years. Nu-Labour tried throwing more and more money at it, it stayed shit but its non-clinical workforce exploded.

 

[Scouse]

No idea whats going on with Hawking...

Could be that he evaluated the actual evidence of the peer reviewed papers that have been produced, as he's been doing with distinction during his whole outstanding career, and found that the health secretary has been picking-and-choosing the bits that suit his (published in a book) agenda, whilst disregarding either the bits of the reports that were inconvenient or whole reports that flatly contradict his view.

Because of these clearly almost-religious-belief, anti-evidence actions taken by the health secretary, he's felt compelled to come out and call him out on his dangerous bullshit and warn the public that the government is not acting in either the best interests of the NHS or the public's preference.

He's done it in the way he's done everything in his public life - based his argument on the evidence.