Politics So...Europe then?

[Raven]

The breakdown of any "charges" is available to all.

They aren't charges btw, we pay in, we get out...up until the exact moment we leave (with a few loose ends afterwards I imagine, both ways)

 

[Job]

Yes, but once they are in the limelight and people start investigating the story behind them....its the EU, they will be contrived

 

[DaGaffer]

The breakdown of any "charges" is available to all.

They aren't charges btw, we pay in, we get out...up until the exact moment we leave (with a few loose ends afterwards I imagine, both ways)

Not quite, there are some long-term items that go beyond Brexit

 

[caLLous]

UK economy falls to bottom of EU growth league

 

[Bodhi]

UK economy falls to bottom of EU growth league

Yet, looking at the graph at the bottom, it looks to be a fairly typical performance for the UK in Q1.

 

[Raven]

Anyone would think the Guardian make a habit of misrepresenting data.

 

[caLLous]

"UK economy falls to bottom of EU growth league"

Where's the misrepresentation?

 

[Raven]

Context.

United Kingdom GDP Growth Rate | 1955-2017 | Data | Chart | Calendar

Its like complaining that paddling pool sales are down in December. Garbage publication.

 

[Bodhi]

"UK economy falls to bottom of EU growth league"

Where's the misrepresentation?

As mentioned, they have blamed it on Brexit, yet all that has happened is we have continued our historical Q1 performance - in fact if you look at 2015, we were a long way behind the EU in Q1, and we didn't even know we were having a referendum then.

 

[Raven]

NONONONO ITS BREXIT OMG DOOMED

 

[Raven]

Interestingly enough the UK beat all expectations in the last quarter of 2016, leading up to the expected slow Q1 quarter. Something tells me the Guardian didn't attribute that to Brexit.

Possibly because it is having a less than expected affect and certain low-end publications are finding the facts don't quite stack up to their expectations.

 

[Job]

Thats what happens when investors sniff a labour government...especially a union run one.

 

[Raven]

No, @Job, it is what happens every Q1.

 

[caLLous]

The UK has the slowest rate of growth out of every single EU member every Q1?

 

[Bodhi]

The UK has the slowest rate of growth out of every single EU member every Q1?

The article (strangely enough) doesn't give us enough information to reach that conclusion, but it does give us enough information to see that the UK economy typically does see very low growth every Q1.

 

[caLLous]

Well, a few minutes of research will tell you that yes, the UK traditionally has pretty crappy Q1 growth and no, the UK very much does not regularly come bottom of the list of all EU members.

 

[Bodhi]

Well, a few minutes of research will tell you that yes, the UK traditionally has pretty crappy Q1 growth and no, the UK very much does not regularly come bottom of the list of all EU members.

OK, so we've performed as usual, and the other members of the EU have outpaced us ever so slightly.

SOrry, why should I be concerned again? If we see the same in Q2 I'll be concerned - however with everything else we've had this quarter, putting it just down to Brexit will be a challenge for anyone (except The Guardian, who have even blamed Grenfell Tower on Brexit. Even though we were in the EU when the building was refitted).

 

[Scouse]

Gove presiding over us trying to stop neonicotinoids getting banned under the Precautionary Principle I see.

I don't get why some think it's OK to use shit before it's proven safe, rather than prove it safe before using it - especially things that have such wide ranging effects on the world we live in

 

[DaGaffer]

Gove presiding over us trying to stop neonicotinoids getting banned under the Precautionary Principle I see.

I don't get why some think it's OK to use shit before it's proven safe, rather than prove it safe before using it - especially things that have such wide ranging effects on the world we live in

Sweeping statement. You know full well the science moves. Britain was no heavier a user of pesticides than anyone else. There now seems to be consensus that we're collectively using too many pesticides, but there's also a worrying revisionist narrative that they were never necessary in the first place, which is flat out untrue.

 

[Scouse]

Sweeping statement. You know full well the science moves. Britain was no heavier a user of pesticides than anyone else. There now seems to be consensus that we're collectively using too many pesticides, but there's also a worrying revisionist narrative that they were never necessary in the first place, which is flat out untrue.

I don't think there's a narrative that says that at all - the UN says that most farms could dramatically reduce their pesticide use across the board and still produce the same amount of food and realise the same profit level - but I don't think anyone sensible is saying "ban all pesticides".

To address the first part of your post tho - yes, the science moves. That's the whole point of the Precautionary Principle - lets not do it until the evidence suggests it's safe, rather than lets go ahead full steam and hope that things turn out OK.

(edit: - We're currently "doing it" but the science has moved and suggested that "it" may be unsafe in certain circumstances / cases - so precaution says "stop and do research", not "carry on regardless because = profit").

In terms of neonicotinoids - it's again not an outright ban but a ban outside greenhouses. And considering they're a bioaccumulating neurotoxin of uncertain toxicity to the wider flora and fauna (and known devestating toxicity to pollinators) then they're a clear case for falling under the precautionary principle.


Edit: Aside from that, the article does make a good point - if farmers both purchase their seeds, pesticides and get information about "best practice" from the companies that produce the seeds and pesticides then that's clearly not an ideal situation. Best practice should be defined by people who don't have vested interests - but then that's a call for a well-funded state infrastructure, which in our neoliberal world is actual heresy.

 

[Raven]

More and more farmers are looking for natural ways to curb the need for pesticides, setting aside land for bird habitat, for example. They will always need them but they don't necessarily need to use the nuclear option.

Some are also introducing beehives to their farms.

 

[caLLous]

Leave voter complains his business will fail unless he can keep his 2,500 European workers

Well maybe you should've thought about that before casting your vote you silly fucker.

 

[Raven]

Britain's biggest car maker Jaguar Land Rover is creating 5,000 new jobs

 

[Raven]

May unveils offer on EU citizens - BBC News

They will round it down to two years before the Brexit vote, deal.

 

[Gwadien]

May unveils offer on EU citizens - BBC News

They will round it down to two years before the Brexit vote, deal.

Fucking disgrace.

There's a lad in one of my classes, he's not been in the UK for long, maybe a couple of years.

Top lad, top family, cunts.

 

[Raven]

I would prefer a fully amnesty tbh, some sort of dual nationality.

 

[Raven]

German-UK team maintains Galileo success - BBC News

 

[BloodOmen]

Rather shit for people who have been here for less than 5 years, my wife is over the moon though, she's been here over a decade now.

 

[DaGaffer]

May unveils offer on EU citizens - BBC News

They will round it down to two years before the Brexit vote, deal.

Full of holes.

 

[old.user4556]

Britain's biggest car maker Jaguar Land Rover is creating 5,000 new jobs

Deep pocket, Indian-owned car maker. If it wasn't for Tata, JLR would have vanished.