Politics So...Europe then?

[DaGaffer]

France?

Cazeneuve Government - Wikipedia

They love a socialist dead end in France.

The Socialist Party , PS) is a social-democratic political party in France, and the largest party of the French centre-left. The PS is one of the two major contemporary political parties in France, along with the Republicans. The Socialist Party replaced the earlier French Section of the Workers' International (SFIO) in 1969, and is currently led by First Secretary Jean-Christophe Cambadélis. The PS is a member of the Party of European Socialists (PES), the Socialist International (SI) and the Progressive Alliance.

 

[Raven]

So yeah, modern day socialism then...

Unless you are trying to suggest socialism is only 1 thing, set out 100 years ago (or whenever)

 

[DaGaffer]

So yeah, modern day socialism then...

Unless you are trying to suggest socialism is only 1 thing, set out 100 years ago (or whenever)

No, not modern socialism, because social-democracy is at least as old as socialism. And no its not "the same" as socialism, which was where this conversation started.

 

[Scouse]

So when are France leaving the EU then? Or are you suggesting France is a capitalist economy?

Are the means of production in France held by the workers?

Do you even know what capitalism is? It seems not.

 

[Bodhi]

No, not modern socialism, because social-democracy is at least as old as socialism. And no its not "the same" as socialism, which was where this conversation started.

Same as socialism? No. A type of socialism? Yes. Which has been my point all along.

Sigh.

 

[Scouse]

Which has been my point all along.

No. That's not been your point at all. Changing your point just occured to you when you read @DaGaffer's last post. Otherwise you'd have cleared that up double-quick ages ago.

You don't know what you're talking about, but you're not a total fucking idiot.

 

[Moriath]

No. That's not been your point at all. Changing your point just occured to you when you read @DaGaffer's last post. Otherwise you'd have cleared that up double-quick ages ago.

You don't know what you're talking about, but you're not a total fucking idiot.

How patronising lol

 

[Job]

The Indy ran a story about the UK not having access to the Galilieo satnav.
Which is bollocks.

Started looking into it, the US are putting up their latest sats this year, improved
everything and they will merge with Galileo to improve accuracy and urban penetration.

Interesting site if you're into that sort of thing.
Official US government site, surprisingly idiot friendly

GPS: The Global Positioning System

 

[Bodhi]

No. That's not been your point at all. Changing your point just occured to you when you read @DaGaffer's last post. Otherwise you'd have cleared that up double-quick ages ago.

You don't know what you're talking about, but you're not a total fucking idiot.

Shame your superior education doesn't extend to stuff like reading and comprehension. You know, useful stuff?

 

[Ormorof]

the core of social democracy is that it uses capitalism to benefit the masses, nice quote from one of the sources on wikipedia:

"Thus social democrats do not try to do away with either the market or private property ownership; instead, they attempt to create conditions in which the operation of a capitalist market economy will lead to more egalitarian outcomes and encourage more democratic and more solidaristic practices than would a more conventional capitalist system."

ie market is fine, but you know, for the people, of the people etc etc

 

[Job]

We tax the rich at 45% and spend billions keeping the poor healthy warm and fed.
I think things are pretty good, whatever branch of ideology we are on at the moment.

 

[Raven]

the core of social democracy is that it uses capitalism to benefit the masses

That describes all forms of socialism...you still get people at the top who live an extremely rich life, solely funded by minions. The just call it something different, and people that moan about it disappear.

 

[Ormorof]

Did you read the quote at all?

 

[Scouse]

Did you read the quote at all?

Read? Nope, he just feels what is right. Like a spastic version of the force.


Anyway. Great to see England's Newest Party is keeping the same high standards under new leadership.

 

[Job]

So Nutall has admitted he didn't lose any friends in Hillsborough.
I'll give him the benefit, seeing how long ago the claim and the context of where he wrote it.
But still..not good.

 

[Scouse]

I'll give him the benefit

Why?

He also claims he was at Hillsborough. He was 12 and at school in Bootle - the school drew up a list of every child who was there so they could receive councelling but his teacher says he wasn't on the list and doesn't believe him.

It was a catholic school tho - so hopefully he got bummed when he was younger. That could go some way to explaining why he's such a giant thunder cunt.

 

[Job]

Bit hard to prove either way, just don't like him, he's one of those scousers (plastic) that looks like he's gagging for an argument.
If ukip win with him , I'll be amazed.
Though Clegg of all people, thinks it's a travesty that Ukip has only one mp.
Nothing to do the Dems position presumably.

 

[Raven]

Who gives a shit about Nutall...isn't he some clown who represents some party that has long served its "purpose" ?

I am genuinely surprised he is even bothering... and Stoke no less, who the fuck cares about Stoke. I am pretty sure they vote on whoever looks least like a rapist anyway.

 

[Job]

4 million votes at the last general.
We may have first past the post, but that amount of votes still effects government policy...as in 'better have a referendum'

 

[Gumbo]

The referendum was more about Cameron wanting to put the argument to bed within his own party for a generation than appeasing UKIPers. He just miscalculated.

 

[Gwadien]

‘Mass sex assaults’ by refugees in Frankfurt on New Year’s Eve were made up – police

Super reliable source, but why would they make shit up on this?

 

[Job]

Express readers don't mess about.

 

[Raven]

Thats because they are arseholes.

 

[Shagrat]

‘Mass sex assaults’ by refugees in Frankfurt on New Year’s Eve were made up – police

Super reliable source, but why would they make shit up on this?

It does make you wonder what ulterior motives are being served by some of this. Why fabricate claims like this unless you are deliberately trying to incite violence and drive a wedge between 2 already tense communities.

 

[Moriath]

Thats because they are arseholes.

Im sure there are all sorts that read the paper. Mass generalisation is just lazy

 

[Raven]

Im sure there are all sorts that read the paper. Mass generalisation is just lazy

Not with the Daily Express it isn't. 100% arseholes.

 

[Job]

He's inspected every one.

 

[TdC]

To be fair it's likely Marine's the only one they've ever heard of.

 

[Moriath]

Not with the Daily Express it isn't. 100% arseholes.

Or the mail or the sun or the star or the guardian

Or any who read any sort of news paper.

Zzzzzz

 

[old.user4556]

Ever feel that the world is becoming increasingly more crowded with people who have nothing to lose?