"she took man out like robocop never seen nutn like it"

[Shagrat]

I just hope they get packed off to court, sentenced quickly and disappear into some prison for a long time, and everyone else just takes a deep breath before escalating the situation any further

 

[megadave]

Somalians no doubt. Been a while since those bastards have been in the news.

By all accounts you're spot on, although to be fair that part of Woolwich has lots of sambos

 

[rynnor]

to me it all looks a little too uncomfortably like apathy.

Just shock I think - anger would have come next but the Police turned up. A lot of the people around at that time were mum's picking up their kids since it happened at home time so they would have other concerns uppermost in their minds.

 

[gohan]

It's not it all. There's clearly a cut after the last line.

For people who are worried about hearing what he has to say - why the fear? Are you scared that you'll be muslamized by his ray-gun and start chopping squaddies heads off?

wow... really?

can you not see the how irresponsible it is to air that??? If you want your message heard just lop of a head and we'll put you on telly you crazy little scamp!!!!

 

[Dukat]

Just shock I think - anger would have come next but the Police turned up. A lot of the people around at that time were mum's picking up their kids since it happened at home time so they would have other concerns uppermost in their minds.

Fair one - I guess it is easy to get all raged up over this without understanding that half those people probably watched it happen.

I guess it is one thing to be very thankful for that the perpetrators kept thier angst targetted at one person. They could just have easily have turned the gun on the crowd afterwards.

 

[gohan]

Don't be silly Dukat. Such is the way of the internet now that you couldn't suppress this sort of thing even if every media outlet in the world decided not to run with it. As can be seen from reddit (for example) with the Boston marathon bombs (and the guy filming the birth of the Oklahoma tornado that I saw 8 hours before Sky News said "THIS JUST IN!!1"), user-uploaded videos and photos are going to happen and there's no way of stopping them.

As shit as it may be, this guy's message is going to be heard.

(indeed, it's probably only a matter of time before the act itself turns up on the darker corners of the internet)

there's a difference between people searching for it. And it being openly broadcast and advertised...... The later sends a message that if you want to be heard by millions just get choppy.

 

[rynnor]

I guess it is one thing to be very thankful for that the perpetrators kept thier angst targetted at one person. They could just have easily have turned the gun on the crowd afterwards.

I think their manner afterwards was another reason people were non-plussed - you expect criminals to try and leggit or something not to stand there making political statements.

 

[Tilda]

Jeez.
Some of the comments going on pictures from BNP and the like (Daily national something) on facebook are aweful.
I worry a huge amount about our country and would not want to be a muslim in London right now. I really hope other idiots don't escalate things.

'The first guy goes for the female fed with the machete and she not even ramping she took man out like robocop never seen nutn like it
'Then the next breda try buss off the rusty 45 and it just backfires and blows mans finger clean off... Feds didnt pet to just take him out!!
'These times i was just going to the shop for some fruit and veg and i see all that!'

 

[gohan]

I'd like to think in that situation I'd of tried to do something, but realiisticly you see someone get hit by a car in what you assume is an accident, 2 guys jump out, probably to help and make sure the guy they hit is ok.... then they kill him. You're too far to have done anything, they are making no attempt to escape. Why put yourself at risk for no gain? It may sound cowardly but there's bravery and stupidity. If you could have saved a life or stoped them from escaping then that's brave. If they are standing there waiting for the police and no longer seeming a threat then trying to 'aprehend' them would just be stupidity....

 

[rynnor]

Jeez.
Some of the comments going on pictures from BNP and the like (Daily national something) on facebook are aweful.
I worry a huge amount about our country and would not want to be a muslim in London right now. I really hope other idiots don't escalate things.

The EDL are gathering in Woolwich as we speak - their leader is on his way there.

 

[rynnor]

Huh - I'm just reporting it - not sure why that gets a facepalm?

 

[Shagrat]

that was a facepalm at the EDL massing, not your comments

last thing we need is them down there starting a riot and wanging molotovs about.

 

[Scouse]

What is "muslamized"?

With the ray-gun context I was clearly taking the piss.

Do you really think this person should be allowed to have his message broadcast across the country when most people with legitimate, well meaning causes have to pay thousands for ten seconds of time in a commercial break.

Or perhaps oxfam should go and kill someone in the street in broad daylight so they can get thier message across?

I'm pretty sure even if they could pay for their message it wouldn't pass the censors...

I will not deny that what I'm saying may well be biased by anger - it doesn't change the fact that you're spreading the words of someone who just killed to get his message out in the first place. Do you really think me disliking that is naive ?

I do...

 

[rynnor]

that was a facepalm at the EDL massing, not your comments

last thing we need is them down there starting a riot and wanging molotovs about.

I'm sure the police are monitoring it but they arent likely to get that many turning up at the drop of a hat I would have thought.

 

[Job]

They are after publicity and these days are guaranteed it..but thats just something we have to accept..you cant stop news..theyll just ramp it up till it has to be reported.

 

[rynnor]

EDL leader is in Woolwich - apparently clashes have broken out with police and what EDL are classifying as 'Muslims'

 

[megadave]

A few hours ago there was several hundred Muslims gathered outside the Mosque in Woolwich, probably some still there now.

 

[rynnor]

A few hours ago there was several hundred Muslims gathered outside the Mosque in Woolwich, probably some still there now.

To defend it presumably - bit stupid though - leave it to the police who are no doubt out in force there now.

 

[BloodOmen]

EDL leader is in Woolwich - apparently clashes have broken out with police and what EDL are classifying as 'Muslims'

Aye and they'll be doing the typical "See! I told you Islam was evil!" routine rather than "See! we need to stamp out extremism!" its still quite sad that the EDL cannot distinguish between the two still. Had they been able to tell the difference between the two and go about it properly, people might actually take them more seriously rather than being the ignorant racist tools that they are.

 

[rynnor]

Events like todays play into their hands though - they have had 30k likes this evening and people joining en masse - I also worry about this playing for UKIP too.

 

[ileks]

Events like todays play into their hands though - they have had 30k likes this evening and people joining en masse - I also worry about this playing for UKIP too.

Why do you keep bringing UKIP up? Do you think they're in the same league as BNP/EDL supporters?

 

[BloodOmen]

Events like todays play into their hands though - they have had 30k likes this evening and people joining en masse - I also worry about this playing for UKIP too.

UKIP doesn't worry me because like every other party they'll be full of false promise and achieve fuck all if and I do mean IF they ever got into power. Country needs a party with some backbone, not toff schooled twats like David Cameron etc who were basically born with a silver spoon up their arses to actually stand up for the country and get the people brainwashing these people out of the country... impossible to stop I guess but possible to slow down atleast.

 

[rynnor]

Why do you keep bringing UKIP up? Do you think they're in the same league as BNP/EDL supporters?

They are not the same but they are clearly to the right of the conservatives with largely unknown policies and historically its been a short walk from being anti-immigration to nationalism/fascism.

 

[Dukat]

Scouse, it's happened before and will no doubt happen again, but we just seem to be too far apart in our points of view to be able to properly agree on this. I don't want to be stubborn and I guess if everyone always agreed about everything, life would be boring. I just have strong views on this and it feels very much like what I'm saying is being interpreted as a knee-jerk reaction to something I dislike.

What you seem to be dismissing as naivety is, to me, an honest and 'shitty experience'-based belief that airing this guy's rant on national tv was unnecessary and irresponsible. At best.

 

[BloodOmen]

facebook page up dedicated to the soldier that was killed

https://www.facebook.com/pages/RIP-Woolwich-Soldier/136706656523601

 

[soze]

I am taking this with a pinch of salt. But some of chavs I went to school with are trying to call out people for "London Riot" style mobs to help the police. As "the Muslims" have called for the head of the female cop.

Complete bullshit but it shows it has already turned. It is not radical Muslims it is "the Muslims" this could get very ugly. And living near Colchester I can see Friday night being very dangerous if you have the wrong colour skin.

 

[Scouse]

What you seem to be dismissing as naivety is, to me, an honest and 'shitty experience'-based belief that airing this guy's rant on national tv was unnecessary and irresponsible. At best.

I'm actually on the fence m8. I can totally see what you're getting at. Completely.

If it was the 1980's I'd agree 100% with you. But we have the internet so now I think the balance has changed - for the better, believe it or not.

People are going to broadcast shit regardless. The fact that it happens in a news context (as opposed to teenagers looking it up on the internet) gives a chance for the expression of shock and horror alongside it and a western-led media stance.

If you don't broadcast it on the news you get it broadcast on the internet (which will happen anyway) and the accompanying material won't be pro-western-democracy...

 

[Ch3tan]

Reports of an attack on a mosque in Essex? Lots of extra police on the roads in Croydon too.

 

[gunner440]

Reports of an attack on a mosque in Essex? Lots of extra police on the roads in Croydon too.

Isn't it like this every day

 

[soze]

My friend just put on Facebook that an Ambulance Escorted by 2 silver police cars just past him headed to London. Clacton does not have silver police cars and people are saying there were shots fired by the police here about an hour ago. It really is silly season.