Shadowblade petition.

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by old.Elrond
but tranquil, similar specced infils and shades would do THE SAME damage yet they are not recieving nerf. Why should LA spec people get punished because the other lines suck so much that LA is clearly best, whereas in other realms they have many more spec options which makes the assasin killer spec less tempting.

And we come back again to you claiming damage is too high at high levels of spec...well tbh my damage as a 5 spec is not too high I can guarantee you that. If mythic so strongly believe what you say they should simply reduce the returns of speccing high LA for shadowblade instead of gutting the SZ's and therefore every balanced spec that also included LA

A similar specced Infiltrator(50 dmg type, 50 DW) does not do the same styled damage as a 50 LA SB.

I am not claiming necessarily you are doing too much damage, I am and have been this entire thread pointing at the Shadowzerker.

You might need help with the other aspects of the Shadowblade, but the Shadowzerker does certainly not.

The nerf Mythic did might be wrong, I haven't claimed that the Style reduction is the right thing to do, I have merely claimed the Shadowzerker to be overpowered. What Mythic have done, may or may not be the right fix. But I'm sure your TeamLead will do whatever he can to get the right fix.

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by SilverHood
That one

I am not questioning Scout damage nerfs at all. To one or twoshot purple con mages was overpowered.

 

[SilverHood]

I was merely referring they went too far, or went the wrong way about nerfing scouts... just like they are doing with SB's atm

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by SilverHood
No, that's with 18% effective thrust resistance....
Could have sworn my reists says 28%, 26% from SC, and 2% racial.

Thane's have Chain which is weak to thrust damage. Weak to a damage type means 10% penalty.

So, they solo most of our classes because???? They bore them to death? Tickle them to death?

They do damage to kill them. There isn't any other way

They do damage ofcourse, but not the same amount in a single styled swing as a Shadowzerker.

 

[old.Elrond]

Again tranquil you are only considering styled damage in your attempts to say SZ are overpowered...what about when they run out of end? what about all the other things that Infil can get that SZ can't, like PA and/or high venom,what about the fact that infil can spec damage we are vulnerable to, what about the fact they have better ra's and more spec points, or the fact that they have a 9 second stun directly from evade, or that they dont have a penalty for not speccing DW and useing 2 weapons. STOP considering only melee damage please it doesn't aid your cause.

 

[SilverHood]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
Thane's have Chain which is weak to thrust damage. Weak to a damage type means 10% penalty.


They do damage ofcourse, but not the same amount in a single styled swing as a Shadowzerker.

But take damage over time... is it really that different?

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by SilverHood
I was merely referring they went too far, or went the wrong way about nerfing scouts... just like they are doing with SB's atm

Scout damage WAS overpowered, the thing is that they nerfed at the same time as the Scout TL knowingly let the scout go into retail slightly underpowered in the melee/pve aspect because he was told that the Scout class would get some fixes with that just after retail went live. The problem ended in that the scout was so discustingly overpowered in damage/range/stealth that Mythic didn't dare fixe the other issues while they toned down the overpoweredness.

I am not questioning your opinion that the SB is being overnerfed, I am only pointing at what IS overpowered. How Mythic resolves it is up to them and their checkbook. The way they are fixing things isn't necessarily what I'd do if I was in their shoes, but the only thing to do is keep pointing out what is wrong. Eventually they see it, just look at the PBT issue and scouts.

It takes time, but that's how it works.

 

[old.Elrond]

I am all for balanced assasins which is why I am against the LA nerf...If I thought mythic would make up for it in the other aspects in which shadowblades are severely handicapped then I wouldn't mind so much, but the fact is LA is all that is keeping sb's competitive compared to infil and ns, without it we have nothing... and I don't see mythic doing anything about it, so keep LA un-nerfed please

 

[SilverHood]

so, sb's can expect to be brought up to par again in a years time? like scouts?


Or did mythic only get their finger out of their asses because of the imminent release of PS, SB, SWG, etc?

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by SilverHood
But take damage over time... is it really that different?

Yes, because the SZ uses shorter time to deal the damage while the infiltrator depends on his stuns/evades/reactionaries, to a greater extent than the SZ, to reduce damage done to himself while dealing damage himself, thus letting him hit over longer time.

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by SilverHood
so, sb's can expect to be brought up to par again in a years time? like scouts?

Or did mythic only get their finger out of their asses because of the imminent release of PS, SB, SWG, etc?

They had the time to rest since there wasn't that many mmorpg releases, that will get tougher onwards.

 

[SilverHood]

basically, mythic did almost nothing to the game, apart from DF, in the first year.

Yet the TL reports go back from day one... I call that being lazy

but Im gonna stop arguing now

I've quit daoc anyway, more fun to be had elsewhere... not that DaoC was ever fun for more than moments at a time

 

[old.Elrond]

yep im bored too, end of thread

 

[Berz Blackburn]

I aint

Tranquil read carefully what Elrond said about SZ.

SZ against an infil :

SZ dont have PA nor CD.

SZ have less envenom than an infil.

SZ (and any other SB) can only deal slash dmg while infil can deal slash & thrust.

SZ have to relay on evading, hit the evade style, then hit with the stun style while the infil just have to push dragonfang. Even tho that stun is only 6s while infil 9s....fair eh?

SZ use what RA? shadowrun? tell me whats good for him? Infil's got Vanish able to PA+CD vanish PA+CD again outch?


So with all that, dont u think thats fair that SZ deal a bit more dmg than DW ???

And if you call SBs OVERPOWERED then you would agree with me that INFILS ARE OVERPOWERED (even more).


Thanks for your understanding.

 

[SilverHood]

nerf that sig Berz

 

[Berz Blackburn]

Hehe well you are lucky i aint posting all my chars that i got on 5 servers

 

[Jenna.]

str-based weaps pwn for kobbies ~~

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by Berz Blackburn
So with all that, dont u think thats fair that SZ deal a bit more dmg than DW ???

The cue here is "a bit".

 

[old.Elrond]

and thats exactly what it is...a bit.

 

[pudzy]

Originally posted by old.[BF]MaD
never played a stealther ? -> lol
u ver never played on exca.
roleplaying here and getting 6+ lvl 50s makes u an expert in stealth chars and rvr then i expect ?

Hmmm yes I have... not taht its any of ya business ya nosey prick.

Playing an for a long time does give me a huge advantage yus, as u've not played one you know fuckall tbh m8. And I dont roleplay. And yes making 6+ lvl 50's gives me a pretty good idea of the game... is'nt that common sense?

and tbh you should take a note from berzerk, hes pointed some very good facts.

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by old.Elrond
and thats exactly what it is...a bit.

No, it's not.

An enervated SB hits for not that far off the same as an inf/ns does when they're not debuffed.

Enervated.

 

[Berz Blackburn]

If you do the same but reversing the role, the infils debuffed then hit he will prolly hit around 100ish which is "a bit" less than ur 139 isnt it?

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by Berz Blackburn
If you do the same but reversing the role, the infils debuffed then hit he will prolly hit around 100ish which is "a bit" less than ur 139 isnt it?

Hm, I'm not sure I got what you're saying here. If the infil gets debuffed in the same manner then his damage will be around 100'ish? And that is a bit lower than the 139 that this SB does as a lowest when being debuffed already?

 

[old.Elrond]

What he's saying is that when both are debuffed the shadowblade will still do a bit more damage than the infil, I think its more like they will do the same damage when both debuffed as enervating affects infils less due to dex/str based weapons.

I don't see a problem with that screenshot tbh? A fully buffed shadowblade hitting for only 139 when debuffed sounds like he's doing too little damage not too much. Debuffed probably knocked him down to what, 240 str from 290ish? I would expect to hit harder with 240 str, especially if SZ specced. Infils always hit for more than 200 damage mainhand when buffed so I dont get the issue here.

 

[old.mattshanes]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL sb getting through 4500hps...... hahahahahahaha:lol:

But then again i remember on excal they have shield specced mercs and ones with 29 slash

I tell you now i do not see sbs as being overpowered(i have faced many good sbs),they are a good class yes but an inf is OVERPOWERED and this is an alb saying this.... sbs i win 90% of fights vs them 1vs1 if not more vs inf thrust spec it's 50/50 you work it out.(and yes i do know how to play my class,going back to slash this week by the way )

If a tank uses ip it's very likely sb will die unless it's really buffed.

Reason why sb's do not kill mercs maybe because they hit like this every 2-3s....(this when i was slash)

http://loe.effectus.dk/Sycho/sshot034.jpg
http://loe.effectus.dk/Sycho/sshot043.jpg
http://loe.effectus.dk/Sycho/sshot065.jpg

 

[toughguy]

After being 3-shotted by an SB before then watching the guy in front of me go down in a similar amount all i can says is LOL! the bonedancer trainer is that way ------>

 

[Glacier]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL sb getting through 4500hps...... hahahahahahaha:lol:

But then again i remember on excal they have shield specced mercs and ones with 29 slash

I tell you now i do not see sbs as being overpowered(i have faced many good sbs),they are a good class yes but an inf is OVERPOWERED and this is an alb saying this.... sbs i win 90% of fights vs them 1vs1 if not more vs inf thrust spec it's 50/50 you work it out.(and yes i do know how to play my class,going back to slash this week by the way )

If a tank uses ip it's very likely sb will die unless it's really buffed.

Reason why sb's do not kill mercs maybe because they hit like this every 2-3s....(this when i was slash)

http://loe.effectus.dk/Sycho/sshot034.jpg
http://loe.effectus.dk/Sycho/sshot043.jpg
http://loe.effectus.dk/Sycho/sshot065.jpg

Wow.. nice damage.. Balthasaar not a SB btw..

 

[old.Hellskor]

Nerf Mercs !

...and Mincer while you're at it

 

[dakeyras]

Originally posted by old.[BF]MaD
elrond


Rayne can take out rr5+ tanks of any kind. Again , if u are scared to take on rr5+ tanks , u are gimped no matter what u say.
tho i should know better then to discuss problems in the game like this with people as clueless as u.

When a rr5+ tank gets taken out by Rayne they are not being solod.

Shaman bot and Healer bot means you are effectively losing to almost a half-group.

The problem is not buffed sb's but buffed assassins (except <rr5 NS).

Solutions are simple. I have never been assassinated whilst grouped and if I am ever going out the gates solo then I am buffed to the hilt. Play em on equal terms.

 

[old.Elrond]

If you are getting 3 shot by a sb what can I say...get some resists? get some decent armour? engage? slam? qc mezz? depends what class you are but if you're running around getting 3 shot it's kind of your own stupid fault