Shadowblade petition.

[SilverHood]

Its a way of speccing.
You gain some, and you loose some.

90% of infils can kill Midgard tanks

yet less than 5% of SB's can kill alb tanks

who needs the nerf?

retard

NEXT!

 

[Tranquil-]

The point was that LA was making CS obsolete, you don't NEED the CS styles that much if you are full LA.

 

[old.Elrond]

lol Mad, you are a complete fool, how old are you , 12, 13? You nerf SZ you also nerf 5 spec and as I've said SZ deserve to hit for more damage as they dont have vanish, 2.5 spec, dragonfang, PA to complete with your noobfiltrator. I have the same abilities as the cookie cutter infiltrators and I hit for the same damage, whats wrong with that?

I guess you think that a full LA spec shadowblade should only be able to hit as hard as a 5 specced infiltrator with no DW? If you are a real man and believe what you say, go make a 50 dw 50 slash infiltrator then come back and tell me who wins the fights.

How do you know critblades will be a viable spec when you dont have a clue? You've never played one, all you do is run around in a group with your buffbot safely locked up in the apk so don't even think about lecturing me when I've played both types of spec (yes I was critblade and respecced cos it sucked) and you've played neither.

Funny how NOBODY agrees with you huh mad? ... I wonder why that is, hmm, I guess it's because you are ignorant, moronic, unskilled and mostly.. WRONG. Please go back to excalibur where you can go and help defend all your rr6 tanks against those nasty shadowblades that rip you up so often...but erm, only twice in your case. You won't be missed here.

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by old.Elrond
Oh and also, mid AF buff don't do anything when you have capped AF from armour.

Yes it does, it's a display bug.

 

[Berz Blackburn]

Originally posted by old.[BF]MaD
THANK YOU - FINALLY

as i was always talking about THIS spec , but u had to come put ur nose and ur 5-spec sb in it.
Critblades will still be viable option, and shadowzerks that have NO cs-line whatsoever will be nerfed beyond repair.

Ur so dumb, read the above posts about shadowzerker, as if a shadowzerker were able to kill a tank .

Originally posted by old.[BF]MaD

And all these posts that defend sbs are either about people who dont have high LA spec or they come talk about how overpowered Infils are. The discussion was always about buffed high LA spec sbs vs ANY other char in this game, not just vs infils.
-that- needs a nerf , i never said otherwise ?
and yes the meatgrinders on exca i mentioned are both 50 LA 50 Axe. why need PA if u can be a mini-zerker ?

We are just pointing out that infil > sbs and thus infils can perform better at killing tanks than SBs.
Now u would agree then that Infils need a nerf too.

And for the why need PA if u can be a mini-zerker, LOL ye right what u got the same as a zerker despite that you can spec LA ? SB's wear leather, SB's got rogues hp table, zerkers got studded, zerkers got tank hp table AND zerker can go in frenzy mode, Would be nice if my SB could go in frenzy mode too

 

[Berz Blackburn]

I would add my SB was critblade too for a while but everytime i got owned by any infil, infil evades, i'm dead. Now try a critblade on a tank, u miss PA -> dead /release.

I had to respec to 5spec to be able to survive a bit longer...

And as Elrond says....if u do nerf shadowzerker u will nerf 5 specs aswell, i dont care if shadowzerker is nerfed but here it will nerf the 5 specs... so quit whinning SBs ARE NOT OVERPOWERED.

 

[old.Elrond]

tranquil, you would be suprised how useful crit style like PA>CD are for killing casters...a SZ basically wont go for a caster like a crit specced would as the bubble would deflect first hit meaning the sb is toast if there are other enemies about, whereas the PA would break bubble and allow a successful attack (kamikaze or not ) The SZ will sacrifice his crit ability to be able to kill stealthers with more ease and what is wrong with that? the critstike line is far from obsolete, hibs and albs all still spec it and tbh most sb's spec it as well, SZ's are not that common compared to 5 specs.

I really don't understand where you are coming from, both hibs and albs can spec out of crit to an assasin killer spec, a full slash/dw infil will do mega damage to shadowblade but the reason they dont spec it is they have too much temptation to get dragonfang, hence gimping their damage against sb's thrust resist armour. NS's don't spec it as they have low str races that can't benefit so much from slash damage and they won't get a stun style. LA compliments norse high str and it has the only stun style, coupled with the fact that our other lines are crap (sword/axe have amost no use for sb) and crit strike styles are a bit sucky. THESE are the reasons why shadowzerkers exist and equivalents are so uncommon in other realms, not because LA is so overpowered.

 

[old.Elrond]

btw, I saw them say AF was a display bug on grab bag thing but tbh I don't think it is I hardly notice any difference when I have it, noone bothers to buff anyone else with it and it's been like this for ages...why not fix a simple display bug? also af charges display correctly so tbh I think mythic told a little lie bout that one.

 

[old.[BF]MaD]

Originally posted by old.Elrond
I guess you think that a full LA spec shadowblade should only be able to hit as hard as a 5 specced infiltrator with no DW? If you are a real man and believe what you say, go make a 50 dw 50 slash infiltrator then come back and tell me who wins the fights.

As a matter of fact , there is one in my guild - DW styles DO NOT compete with LA styles. if u think this , u are the noob.


Funny how NOBODY agrees with you huh mad? ... I wonder why that is, hmm, I guess it's because you are ignorant, moronic, unskilled and mostly.. WRONG.

because i have the balls to discuss it on a mid forum filled with sbs ? put it on rvr or gen disc , u ll see who backs who up.

no one agrees with me ? u were temporarely blinded ? read posts on page 1-3 ?

"my noobfiltrator" - AGAIN , this isnt about sbs vs infils alone (but i remember u are too scared to attack anything remotely tank-ish)

as i see u have now lowered yourself to namecalling in this little discussion - which only makes u more ignorant then u already are

 

[Astraad]

plz fuck off back to excal now, you've made urself look like an arse do u really need to continue?

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by old.Elrond
lol Mad, you are a complete fool, how old are you , 12, 13? You nerf SZ you also nerf 5 spec and as I've said SZ deserve to hit for more damage as they dont have vanish, 2.5 spec, dragonfang, PA to complete with your noobfiltrator. I have the same abilities as the cookie cutter infiltrators and I hit for the same damage, whats wrong with that?

I guess you think that a full LA spec shadowblade should only be able to hit as hard as a 5 specced infiltrator with no DW? If you are a real man and believe what you say, go make a 50 dw 50 slash infiltrator then come back and tell me who wins the fights.

How do you know critblades will be a viable spec when you dont have a clue? You've never played one, all you do is run around in a group with your buffbot safely locked up in the apk so don't even think about lecturing me when I've played both types of spec (yes I was critblade and respecced cos it sucked) and you've played neither.

Funny how NOBODY agrees with you huh mad? ... I wonder why that is, hmm, I guess it's because you are ignorant, moronic, unskilled and mostly.. WRONG. Please go back to excalibur where you can go and help defend all your rr6 tanks against those nasty shadowblades that rip you up so often...but erm, only twice in your case. You won't be missed here.

The case here is that a Shadowzerker's damage with 50 LA was a descrepancy from Mythic's vision of the Shadowblade class. They might have overdone it, but that will most likely be fixed sooner or later if so.

The core of the case is that the SB did too much damage in some cases where they obviously shouldn't be able to and that's unquestionable.

 

[old.Elrond]

"As a matter of fact , there is one in my guild - DW styles DO NOT compete with LA styles. if u think this , u are the noob."

lol I know they don't compete with LA styles, that's not the point as slash styles are good for infiltrators. The point is that you can spec damage we are vulnerable to maybe? or that you can spec 50/50 and still have enough left over to get 34/34 stealth venom...

" AGAIN , this isnt about sbs vs infils alone (but i remember u are too scared to attack anything remotely tank-ish)"

As you'll see all the other shadowblades who have posted here have said the same as me, that its generall stupid to attack rr6+ tanks. Please man cut your losses and LEAVE, noone cares what you think, noone agrees with you, you have NO experience of playing an assasin, let alone a shadowblade. All you have is a duel wielder in chain which will not lose to shadowblades (as you have self confessed) ...tell me why would I attack a rr6+ merc when according to you I have probably a 99% chance of failure? only 2 shadowblades have beaten you as u say...scared maybe, but I'm not stupid.

The point is your opinions are absolutely WORTHLESS and until you have made a shadowblade, got rr5, and give proof that you rip up fully buffed rr6 tanks in under 30 seconds noone is going to give a flying fuck what you have to say, end of discussion tbh?

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by Berz Blackburn
I would add my SB was critblade too for a while but everytime i got owned by any infil, infil evades, i'm dead. Now try a critblade on a tank, u miss PA -> dead /release.

I had to respec to 5spec to be able to survive a bit longer...

And as Elrond says....if u do nerf shadowzerker u will nerf 5 specs aswell, i dont care if shadowzerker is nerfed but here it will nerf the 5 specs... so quit whinning SBs ARE NOT OVERPOWERED.

If you engage a target you find out is too tough, snare is your friend.

 

[old.Elrond]

tranquil a shadowblade with 50 left axe (and I presume u mean 50 axe as well) will only just have enough points left over to scrape a respectable level of stealth, basically giving up all his crit and all his venom. That in my eyes is an acceptable sacrifice for extra melee damage.

And yes snare is an option for escape if its not purged...but that is kind of unrelated to this topic

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by old.Elrond
tranquil, you would be suprised how useful crit style like PA>CD are for killing casters...a SZ basically wont go for a caster like a crit specced would as the bubble would deflect first hit meaning the sb is toast if there are other enemies about, whereas the PA would break bubble and allow a successful attack (kamikaze or not ) The SZ will sacrifice his crit ability to be able to kill stealthers with more ease and what is wrong with that? the critstike line is far from obsolete, hibs and albs all still spec it and tbh most sb's spec it as well, SZ's are not that common compared to 5 specs.

I really don't understand where you are coming from, both hibs and albs can spec out of crit to an assasin killer spec, a full slash/dw infil will do mega damage to shadowblade but the reason they dont spec it is they have too much temptation to get dragonfang, hence gimping their damage against sb's thrust resist armour. NS's don't spec it as they have low str races that can't benefit so much from slash damage and they won't get a stun style. LA compliments norse high str and it has the only stun style, coupled with the fact that our other lines are crap (sword/axe have amost no use for sb) and crit strike styles are a bit sucky. THESE are the reasons why shadowzerkers exist and equivalents are so uncommon in other realms, not because LA is so overpowered.

Spec 2 CS and you get to pop bubble.

The point is that the 50 LA spec does more for the Shadowblade than a 50 DW spec does for a Mercfiltrator, the only reason to go 50 DW is the front pos. anytime. I trust you know that DW only increases offhand % to swing.

Low LA < Low DW, but High LA >>>>> High DW

 

[Berz Blackburn]

I aint scared about any classes at all, i have been trying alot of tanks and most of them i lost to, not a big deal i like the challenge.

 

[old.Elrond]

Aye but we come back to the point of available spec points...a 50 la 50 axe sb will have no crit or venom whereas a 50 dw 50 slash will be able to get a good level of crit or venom, probably up to 50 with a highish realm rank..and I can tell you, lifebane does a lot of damage, and that str/con debuff REALLY hurts shadowblades with 100% str dependancy.

Its give and take...a 50/50 sb has melee advantage over a 50/50 infil, but the infil has a venom or crit strike advantage (as well as either a 9 sec stun if thrust or damage that hurts us if slash). You can't only consider basic melee damage.

 

[SilverHood]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
The case here is that a Shadowzerker's damage with 50 LA was a descrepancy from Mythic's vision of the Shadowblade class. They might have overdone it, but that will most likely be fixed sooner or later if so.

The core of the case is that the SB did too much damage in some cases where they obviously shouldn't be able to and that's unquestionable.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

SB's do too much damage?

How come infils can solo 95% of midgard classes?
My thane gets PA'd for over 700 dmg, highest was 1010 dmg, by infils. Thats with 28% thrust resistance.

Is *that* mythics vision of an infiltrator? Being able to solo defensive tanks? Being able to solo offensive tanks? Being able to solo any class but BD's (until they get nerfed)

Tranquil, you play a scout... just because SB's slap you silly is no reason to call for a nerf. Look at your own team. Everything a SB can do, an infil can do better.

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by old.Elrond
btw, I saw them say AF was a display bug on grab bag thing but tbh I don't think it is I hardly notice any difference when I have it, noone bothers to buff anyone else with it and it's been like this for ages...why not fix a simple display bug? also af charges display correctly so tbh I think mythic told a little lie bout that one.

There were some tests on VNboards that were supported by some TL's they showed that the extra non-displayed AF was factored into the damage calc. It's also easier to see the difference in damage in alb, because of the spec AF buff that gives more than 100 AF. The display bug is there, but you notice it. The reason lots don't bother to buff with it is probably the rumour that it didn't work.

 

[Berz Blackburn]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
Spec 2 CS and you get to pop bubble.

The point is that the 50 LA spec does more for the Shadowblade than a 50 DW spec does for a Mercfiltrator, the only reason to go 50 DW is the front pos. anytime. I trust you know that DW only increases offhand % to swing.

Low LA < Low DW, but High LA >>>>> High DW

Errr do u even read what has been said ?
LA > DW yes but 2x spec pts <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 2.5x spec pts

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by old.Elrond
tranquil a shadowblade with 50 left axe (and I presume u mean 50 axe as well) will only just have enough points left over to scrape a respectable level of stealth, basically giving up all his crit and all his venom. That in my eyes is an acceptable sacrifice for extra melee damage.

And yes snare is an option for escape if its not purged...but that is kind of unrelated to this topic

Don't mean necessarily 50/50.

44,44,34,35,10 would be good, then respec at higher RR.

The point isn't what that should be sacrificed and is acceptable sacrifice. Mythic has visions on what their classes should be able to do and not to do. The damage dealt was too high, perhaps the nerf was too hard, but nevertheless it wasn''t meant to be.

 

[SilverHood]

bit like the scout nerf then, eh?

 

[old.Elrond]

but tranquil, similar specced infils and shades would do THE SAME damage yet they are not recieving nerf. Why should LA spec people get punished because the other lines suck so much that LA is clearly best, whereas in other realms they have many more spec options which makes the assasin killer spec less tempting.

And we come back again to you claiming damage is too high at high levels of spec...well tbh my damage as a 5 spec is not too high I can guarantee you that. If mythic so strongly believe what you say they should simply reduce the returns of speccing high LA for shadowblade instead of gutting the SZ's and therefore every balanced spec that also included LA

 

[SilverHood]

Eldrond, you know the answer to that!

insta mez/stun !!11

 

[old.Elrond]

don't get me started on healers I have no intention of starting another 5 page arguement hehe

 

[Berz Blackburn]

Elrond i think these 2 albs dont even read what we said they are so desperate to see SBs getting nerfed for their own good....

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by SilverHood
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

SB's do too much damage?

How come infils can solo 95% of midgard classes?
My thane gets PA'd for over 700 dmg, highest was 1010 dmg, by infils. Thats with 28% thrust resistance.

Is *that* mythics vision of an infiltrator? Being able to solo defensive tanks? Being able to solo offensive tanks? Being able to solo any class but BD's (until they get nerfed)

Tranquil, you play a scout... just because SB's slap you silly is no reason to call for a nerf. Look at your own team. Everything a SB can do, an infil can do better.

Shadowzerkers do too much damage, yes. The reason infiltrators solo some of your classes isn't the damage they do, it's the dragonfang and their evade.

No, that's with 18% effective thrust resistance.

Hey, my scout got PA'ed by a critblade for 1305 dmg standing WITH dual AF buffs. You don't see me complain. Running straight or standing still is a stupid thing when you are solo, if the assassin got in the PA he deserved it.

I wouldn't cry if all assassins were brought down a bit, to get the numbers down, I'm sure there are assassins agreeing with me on that one.

 

[SilverHood]

No, that's with 18% effective thrust resistance....
Could have sworn my reists says 28%, 26% from SC, and 2% racial.

The reason infiltrators solo some of your classes isn't the damage they do, it's the dragonfang and their evade.

So, they solo most of our classes because???? They bore them to death? Tickle them to death?

They do damage to kill them. There isn't any other way

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by SilverHood
bit like the scout nerf then, eh?

Which one? The scout WAS overpowered in beta and at release, I know that.

 

[SilverHood]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
Which one? The scout WAS overpowered in beta and at release, I know that.

The damage dealt was too high, perhaps the nerf was too hard, but nevertheless it wasn''t meant to be.

That one