Politics Scottish Independance.....Thoughts?

[Raven]

Frankly, who cares what the trade unions want.

 

[Hawkwind]

Frankly, who cares what the trade unions want.

The Labour Party

 

[Raven]

Ah, well, who cares what the Labour party think?

 

[Embattle]

The simple fact is no one knows...they may shitstorm or flourish like Norway...more probably just bumble along like the rest of us.

They can't be Norway, its system is based on oil and higher taxation.

 

[old.user4556]

Well, we could be, but as you rightly say the only way would be higher taxation and a costlier living standard.

 

[Ormorof]

And Norway infrastructure has been in progress since postwar recovery with a massive focus on hydro & sustainability, Scotland might be able to pull it off but it would take 50-60 years and doubt their politicians are willing to make that kind of effort

 

[Gwadien]

Yeah, exactly, Norway has made enough money from investing the money that they make through oil to give each of their citizens £1million each.

but as Ormorof clearly says - That's been investment over a lengthy period of time, if Salmond wants to deliver everything he's promised, Scotland will have to use the money they get from the oil straight away, or they'll have -huge- money issues.

I can't see the Scottish people wanting invest into the future, the 'leading' countries on the planet are only bothered about the now, whereas the more socialist 'dont give a shit about our pedestal on the world' countries, such as the ex-Viking nations invest in their future a lot more.

Basically, Scotland could do it, but they'd need to change their mentality.

 

[Zarjazz]

Basing you're entire economy on a single resource with a finite lifespan doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me. But I guess they have GTA and Whisky to fall back on

 

[old.user4556]

And Norway infrastructure has been in progress since postwar recovery with a massive focus on hydro & sustainability, Scotland might be able to pull it off but it would take 50-60 years and doubt their politicians are willing to make that kind of effort

Wat? We get 40% of our energy from renewables already, with the target of 100% by 2020.

It's fucking windy in Scotland, and the tides / waves are enormous off the west coast. The Pentland Firth is underway to harness the massive tides, from memory it'll generate power for ~45,000 homes by 2020.

 

[old.user4556]

I can't see the Scottish people wanting invest into the future, the 'leading' countries on the planet are only bothered about the now, whereas the more socialist 'dont give a shit about our pedestal on the world' countries, such as the ex-Viking nations invest in their future a lot more.

I disagree, getting away from the world stage is exactly what I want.

 

[Gwadien]

I disagree, getting away from the world stage is exactly what I want.

What you want, but I bet there's still alot of voters that want the world stage, but also want independence, that's why they keep banging on about still being one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

 

[Raven]

Wat? We get 40% of our energy from renewables already, with the target of 100% by 2020.

It's fucking windy in Scotland, and the tides / waves are enormous off the west coast. The Pentland Firth is underway to harness the massive tides, from memory it'll generate power for ~45,000 homes by 2020.

Trouble is, all this renewable bollocks will destroy much of what is attractive about Scotland, the coasts and the moores

 

[old.user4556]

Certainly not in my peer group, the Yes camp want away from wars and nuclear weapons. I guess it depends in what "being on the world stage" means, but certainly much different to the UK is now.

 

[old.user4556]

Trouble is, all this renewable bollocks will destroy much of what is attractive about Scotland, the coasts and the moores

Nah it won't, that's just silly talk, we've got vast amounts of spare land. The largest windfarm in the UK and second in Europe is in Scotland's central belt, far enough away from major towns and areas of outstanding natural beauty.

 

[ECA]

Eh we've got massive windfarms off the shore from me and I think they look amazing. Man harnessing nature etc.
This looks argument is fucking bollocks.

 

[Job]

I think the offshore farm by us at Burbo bank is on course to be the biggest..if you take binoculars to the beach you can see an almost unbroken ring of turbines along the coast all the way to Angelsey and lol some days there are less than twenty actually turning..but that is very rare..I think they're a piss poor technology but if you put enough up you will get something.

 

[old.user4556]

I think the offshore farm by us at Burbo bank is on course to be the biggest

No it won't.

 

[Scouse]

if you take binoculars to the beach you can see an almost unbroken ring of turbines along the coast all the way to Angelsey

And it looks fine tbh.

 

[MYstIC G]

A lot of talk on the radio this morning that Cameron hasn't done nearly enough to save the Union and instead continues to focus on international war mongering instead of home issues.

The UK government have been asleep at the wheel on so many things over the years, and here we are on the cusp of breaking up the UK and nothing's changed. It's easy to see why Yes voters are fatigued with Westminster politics.

Why does he give a shit. Save the union he's finally shut everyone up, break it and he fucks off labors majority into a separate county. Win win for Cameron.

 

[old.user4556]

Read the thread, do your homework @MYstIC G

The last three Labour governments in particular have all enjoyed comfortable overall majorities, which the loss of Scottish seats would not have overturned. In 1997 Labour’s majority was 178, of which only 56 were Scottish seats; in 2001 their majority was 166, of which 55 seats were Scottish; and in 2005 Labour’s majority was 65, of which 40 were Scottish seats.

Nor does Labour’s recent electoral record in England suggest that the Tories would possess an innate advantage there. In 1997, for example, Labour obtained a majority in England alone of 127; in 2001 they had a majority there of 117; and in 2005 they secured a majority of 43.[7] True, in the 2010 General Election the Conservatives won 297 seats in England, compared to 191 obtained by Labour.[8] But this was off the back of thirteen years of Labour government, and the worst recession in living memory.

Where do you guys get the "the Scottish kept Labour in power" bollocks? Do you have any sources to back that up (like I have) or are you pulling it out of your arses?

 

[Gwadien]

It's true though, if voters think afterwards, SNP is a fail party actually, and we're not getting independence, so rather than bitching and moaning about the Tories at Westminster, let's put the next best favourites in, which is Labour

 

[old.user4556]

Labour are angling to get into power and they're using the referendum as a political football. Jim Murphy, Alastair Darling and now Gordon Brown are suggesting that "vote no, and vote Labour next GE, and we'll give you a lot more powers ..... but only if you vote Labour". They're in it for themselves.

 

[old.user4556]

So there's the next big hint at a Devo Max offering:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29115556

Apparently an announcement tomorrow.

 

[Gwadien]

Labour are angling to get into power and they're using the referendum as a political football. Jim Murphy, Alastair Darling and now Gordon Brown are suggesting that "vote no, and vote Labour next GE, and we'll give you a lot more powers ..... but only if you vote Labour". They're in it for themselves.

Which, er, supports the Tories not really caring about Scotland either way argument?

 

[old.user4556]

Letting the country split in half and Labour getting in next election - I fail to see how that's not an epic fail by the Tory party?

 

[Gwadien]

Letting the country split in half and Labour getting in next election - I fail to see how that's not an epic fail by the Tory party?

So yeah, that's what we're saying, Cameron is in a win-win or loss-loss situation here, however you say it, the only way he'll win politically is to get rid of Scotland, but for the sake of 'PRESERVING THE EMPIRE' he has to say no.

 

[Tom]

Yeah, exactly, Norway has made enough money from investing the money that they make through oil to give each of their citizens £1million each..

If you've seen food prices in Norway you'd realise they need £1,000,000 just to buy a week's shopping.

I will never forget paying £26 for a beer and burger.

 

[Gwadien]

If you've seen food prices in Norway you'd realise they need £1,000,000 just to buy a week's shopping.

I will never forget paying £26 for a beer and burger.

Tis'll sorta relative though, their minimum wage is like £16 or something.

 

[MYstIC G]

Read the thread, do your homework @MYstIC G



Where do you guys get the "the Scottish kept Labour in power" bollocks? Do you have any sources to back that up (like I have) or are you pulling it out of your arses?

You can be such a prick sometimes, I didn't say that. If their support takes a cut it takes a cut, it's that fucking simple. Nowhere did I say that meant labour could never ever get elected again. Stick to writing your posts instead of reinterpreting mine.

 

[old.user4556]

Cry me a river Meg, you're a grumpy bastard who gets far too emotional.