Politics Scottish Independance.....Thoughts?

[Scouse]

Because "fuck you Scotland".....Its going to be an ugly divorce.

Yeah, but only the papers, politicians and idiots are going to take it personally.

The rest of us won't blink either way...

 

[DaGaffer]

Independence would allow them to regulate the terms of that system more effectively, rather than remain beholden to westminster's say-so, don't you think?

No. They'd go from some say to no say. And speaking as a resident of the Eurozone, a small influence over Westminster is better than an infinitesimal influence over the ECB.

 

[DaGaffer]

Yeah, but only the papers, politicians and idiots are going to take it personally.

The rest of us won't blink either way...

Sorry, but human nature suggests otherwise.

 

[TdC]

Ah, well, who cares what the Labour party think?

the trade unions.

 

[Embattle]

Nah, as someone said before, I really think a Scottish independence would make the rest of us look for an alternative much like the Scandinavian models, granted Scotland does it correctly.

As stated before they won't since they won't increase taxes to the required levels.

 

[Scouse]

We don't need tax. We need a wealth cap...

 

[Moriath]

The gap between rich and poor is increasing like the USA. So many times the lowest paid worker that the chief gets.

As to Scotland. I don't believe they yes will win and we will go back to how we are.


Otherwise the pound will fall. The stock market will fall

And for the next year or so we will all be trying to claw back what we lost

 

[Hawkwind]

I don't get the threat of walking away from any responsibility from the debt. I would have thought that would have massive ramifications for Scotland trying to get any kind of decent rating in the markets. Future borrowing would be more expensive. I cant see the money market taking this stance lightly. If it were to happen the political fallout and feeling of the UK people towards Scotland would be damaged even more. A massive FU approach from that point on.

It will certainly make a lot of other decisions a lot easier, government/MOD contracts and grants, issues like the BBC etc. Would be a massive win for any political party who took that away from them

Why should UK support an independent countries currency? Threats do not exactly inspire confidence in an on-going relationship for that moving forward. The more I hear from the SNP the more I just want to tell them fuck right off. As PM I'd build a wall with toll roads in, enforce immigration rules along the lines of Iranians until they get EU entry and pull everything I could back into UK. Kick the Scots squaddies out the army and back home. Move the ship building and MOD jobs south. I'd be a right cunt!

 

[Olgaline]

Such a lovely princess they will have

 

[Job]

No it won't.

They are talking about a huge expansion because it's so windy here...the world windsurf speed record was held on the lake for 5 years.

 

[Hawkwind]

@Olgaline Maybe Mel Gibson will be President, as they already have a statue of the racist prick.

 

[Hawkwind]

I think the offshore farm by us at Burbo bank is on course to be the biggest..if you take binoculars to the beach you can see an almost unbroken ring of turbines along the coast all the way to Angelsey and lol some days there are less than twenty actually turning..but that is very rare..I think they're a piss poor technology but if you put enough up you will get something.

London Array is the biggest offshore wind farm at 630MW for phase 1 now copmpleted. From what I read up second phase making it biggest in the world was refused on environmental grounds, see birds or something like that.

 

[Raven]

And rightly so, its typical human arrogance. Trying to save the world for ourselves by destroying it for everything else that lives here.

 

[Hawkwind]

And rightly so, its typical human arrogance. Trying to save the world for ourselves by destroying it for everything else that lives here.

Absolutely, no point building environmental power farms if it ruins the ecology.

 

[old.user4556]

They are talking about a huge expansion because it's so windy here...the world windsurf speed record was held on the lake for 5 years.

The huge expansion is to ~65, Whitelee is 215. Even if they double it from its proposed expanded size, it'll still be smaller than Whitelee.

 

[Job]

215..missed that one, holy crap that's just epic.

 

[ECA]

Absolutely, no point building environmental power farms if it ruins the ecology.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/28375794

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jul/22/seals-hunt-for-prey-at-offshore-windfarms

Or where they enhance it?

 

[Gwadien]

Let's think of all the natural habitats destroyed around Fukushima and Chernobyl.

Actually, lets not derail

 

[ECA]

Let's think of all the natural habitats destroyed around Fukushima and Chernobyl.

Actually, lets not derail

They're both actually incredible studies, wildlife adapted pretty rapidly.

 

[Gwadien]

They're both actually incredible studies, wildlife adapted pretty rapidly.

Oh that's fine then, we won't wipe out their homes, we'll give them 3 eyes

 

[Draylor]

Panic? Nope, no panic at all, 1 opinion poll hasnt caused plans to be ripped up and thrown away.

Regardless of the result this will serve as an example of how not to run a political campaign for many many years to come.

 

[Gwadien]

Panic? Nope, no panic at all, 1 opinion poll hasnt caused plans to be ripped up and thrown away.

Regardless of the result this will serve as an example of how not to run a political campaign for many many years to come.

You mean this is the one time where the Government sat back as said yeah, there's not much we can do, and give false promises of devolution.

But the 'successful' ones are the ones that have clearly lied through their teeth through a campaign of deceit?

Brilliant.

 

[Raven]

Most of it is some serious comical lies though, seems to have been lapped up though.

 

[old.user4556]

Mark Carney has confirmed that a currency union would be "incompatible".

Another SNP guarantee up in smoke.

 

[Gwadien]

Someone was trying to tell me that the pound would crash and fall if a union wasn't possible, due to 'oil holding up the pound.'

I argued that it'd fall more due to people have uncertainties over a country using the pound which the owner of the pound has no say over.

/Discuss.

 

[DaGaffer]

Someone was trying to tell me that the pound would crash and fall if a union wasn't possible, due to 'oil holding up the pound.'

I argued that it'd fall more due to people have uncertainties over a country using the pound which the owner of the pound has no say over.

/Discuss.

Absolute nonsense. The City of London "holds up the Pound". Sterling is more driven by transaction volume (rather than say, commodities) than any other currency on Earth. Its a big reason why the Euro was a total nonstarter for the UK.

If anything, the oil price is a reason for Scotland to have its own fully independent currency that can follow the Dollar more closely.

 

[Raven]

The effect on the pound will be minimal but Scotland having zero control over its currency will be a problem for Scotland, none of their banks or currency will be guaranteed which will mean all their insurance, pension and other financial organisations will up sticks and move south of the border.

It would not be in Scotland's best interest to continue to use GBP, I don't even know why the SNP are trying to sell it as a good thing. They may as well start using the US dollar.

As I said before, all of this should be sorted out before a referendum, it is not something they can change their mind about if it all goes tits up.

 

[Hawkwind]

old BBC stats article - Scotland by numbers:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-24866266

Tax Revenue based on Oil is 1.5%. North Sea Oil accounts for 1.5% of UK GDP
GDP per head with Oil & Gas Revenues Included 26,424 for Scotland and 22,336 for UK - Scottish Government estimate

Regards the currency union which will not happen, it will be interesting to see what the SNP say after the Yes vote.

 

[Raven]

They don't much care what happens after the vote. They are blind nationalists.

 

[old.user4556]

The effect on the pound will be minimal but Scotland having zero control over its currency will be a problem for Scotland, none of their banks or currency will be guaranteed which will mean all their insurance, pension and other financial organisations will up sticks and move south of the border.

Nonsense.

Are we to believe, as I've seen scattered around the internet, that "the English" stepped up and bailed out "the Scottish"? Are you really sure about that? What about Ireland's bailout? The bottom line is that whilst we're hoodwinked into believing the almighty BoE bailed out the banks solely, then that's not entirely the truth. To get back to your point, why would they suddenly move south of the border?

It would not be in Scotland's best interest to continue to use GBP, I don't even know why the SNP are trying to sell it as a good thing. They may as well start using the US dollar.

Agreed, the only reason they want a currency union (now off the table) is to appease voters and grab middle ground.

As I said before, all of this should be sorted out before a referendum, it is not something they can change their mind about if it all goes tits up.

Absolutely. It's a vote / leap of blind faith.