Politics Scottish Independance.....Thoughts?

[Raven]

Yeah but they will be lying, grubby, small minded Scottish MPs rather than lying, grubby, small minded British MPs.

 

[old.user4556]

Yes I would chum, but after it has been done and it has had it's shake up and the dust has settled and everyone is comfy they will all become the same lying, greedy, grabbing scum like before.

True, but at least we've got more control over which lying scumbags we get, where as we don't really make a dent on Westminster just now .

 

[Embattle]

The only poll that matters is the one held on the 18th of September.

Just think about it though, the one true opportunity to really reboot politics in the UK - if you had the chance to do that, wouldn't you all take it?

If you happen to believe it possible then perhaps but the red mist will get in the way of the reality of the situation.

 

[old.user4556]

To paraphrase Frankie Boyle, a Yes vote means replacing one set of self serving cunts at Westminster with a set of self serving cunts at Holyrood.

 

[Trem]

I bloody missed that stand up Yes/No show last night, will search it out later. Caught the tale end of Frankie Boyle, genius

 

[Job]

Even if it still goes to no..looks like the Scots are going to get a shed load of sweeteners to stay...they should do this every year.

 

[Gwadien]

True, but at least we've got more control over which lying scumbags we get, where as we don't really make a dent on Westminster just now .

Nor does the rest of the UK, apart from the sauf.

But the problem is that is for the rest of the UK, if we wanted independence, our life styles would go down dramatically, because we wouldn't be able to sustain the same quality that we had with London involved.

I think Scotland is in the same boat too, I seriously doubt they'll be able to sustain the same welfare state and quality of life without London, especially since Scotland gets it so much better than the rest of England anyway.

 

[Hawkwind]

I bloody missed that stand up Yes/No show last night, will search it out later. Caught the tale end of Frankie Boyle, genius

Thought it was going out on the night of the referendum?? Funny that the BBC will pay him to do the show after openly slating them couple of weeks back.

What will happen to the BBC in Scotland, guess they will no longer pay license fees to BBC so will the lights go out in BBC Scotland or will become a pay service?

 

[Trem]

Thought it was going out on the night of the referendum?? Funny that the BBC will pay him to do the show after openly slating them couple of weeks back.

Ahh so there is more than one?

This is the one I caught the last 5 minutes of last night -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04h8kvx/kevin-bridges-live-at-the-referendum

@Hawkwind I don't think you are in the UK are you? Maybe you can see this link just in case you can't see the BBC one -

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/c4rmg4/kevin-bridges-live-at-the-referendum

 

[DaGaffer]

Thought it was going out on the night of the referendum?? Funny that the BBC will pay him to do the show after openly slating them couple of weeks back.

What will happen to the BBC in Scotland, guess they will no longer pay license fees to BBC so will the lights go out in BBC Scotland or will become a pay service?

Salmond has done the usual "it'll be fine" spiel, the BBC themselves have made it clear that its a kind of double whammy for them as they'll lose several million licence payers, and there'll be a new Scottish broadcaster they'll have to work out a commercial relationship with. In reality Scotland will end up with something like RTE in Ireland, a shitter, more expensive version of the BBC. Most cybernats take the view they'll torrent the BBC stuff they want, use Hola for iPlayer, or use Freesat, (or, "it's all shite and Ah dinnae want the sassenach rubbish anyway") but the beeb have been tightening the footprint on satellite for years, so that might not be as straightforward as they think outside the border country, and as a fellow non-resident, you'll know iPlayer can be...erratic, via proxies etc.

 

[ECA]

I really hope Scotland goes at this point.
If they stay the fookin english bastids crowd will be even worse, when they leave they'll actually have to look at their own political shitstains instead of blaming it all on everyone else.

Can't wait for their first housing bubble where they have no influence over exchange rates though, that'll be a fun one.

Spain not letting them into the EU will be funny as well.

 

[Zarjazz]

Iwhen they leave they'll actually have to look at their own political shitstains

If they leave absolutely nothing politically will change this side of the wall. Why would it? Frankly most of the brits I know don't care one way or the other if they go or stay. They just seem bemused by the whole thing

 

[ECA]

The SNP will no longer be a fuckyouenglish vote, and unless a credible opposition forms a single party is pretty destructive in the long run.

 

[Job]

All the people who think its funny or don't care haven't grasped the seriousness of the situation...two entirely intertwinned economies splitting up and one gets all the gold and the other gets some magic beans.

 

[ECA]

But it will be funny.

 

[Cadelin]

This is starting to get worrying. A yes vote will seriously damage research on both sides of the border. UK universities work effectively together currently and this will just split things up for the sake of it.

 

[Raven]

They will most likely continue to work together.

 

[Cadelin]

They will most likely continue to work together.

Was that in response to my comment?

Of course the universities will continue to collaborate but we will have separate funding bodies. That means different priorities.

I'll give you an example, the UK has pledged to build the SCT upgrade scheduled for 2020+ for the ATLAS detector currently at the LHC at CERN. We have estimated the cost but building most of it relies on technologies that haven't been developed yet. Costs frequently overrun, things change; that is the very nature of research. At the moment there is one body funding it, and they are overrall responsible for the project. If the UK doesn't deliver we lose our reputation. You can't do project like this across funding bodies. Independence will mean the UK will struggle to deliver what it has said it will while Scotland won't be able to do much by itself.

There are some projects that can be easily divided up but that is the exception rather than the norm.

 

[old.user4556]

The BBC is pish anyway. I couldn't give a single flying fuck. All the good shit is on Sky and / or torrents.

 

[old.user4556]

Looks like Westminster are getting desperate.

 

[Scouse]

 

[TdC]

4. (SBU/NF) Throughout 2009, UK Secretary of State for Scotland Jim Murphy played a leadership role in organizing the opposition parties, hoping to move Scotland toward implementation of the Calman recommendations as an alternative to an independence referendum, according to Murphy's advisors, Labour party insiders, and opposition party leaders. First Minister Salmond's response to independence critics (such as Murphy) has been to accelerate the implementation of the Calman recommendations as soon as possible - "to call the bluff." Some political pundits assess that opposition parties' inability to move on the report's recommendations has buoyed Salmond's case for a referendum. According to this theory, Salmond could gain politically by putting forward -- and winning -- with a softer referendum question that calls for further devolved powers, including those recommended by the Calman Commission (which is often referred to as the "devolution max" option).

 

[Hawkwind]

Was that in response to my comment?

Of course the universities will continue to collaborate but we will have separate funding bodies. That means different priorities.

I'll give you an example, the UK has pledged to build the SCT upgrade scheduled for 2020+ for the ATLAS detector currently at the LHC at CERN. We have estimated the cost but building most of it relies on technologies that haven't been developed yet. Costs frequently overrun, things change; that is the very nature of research. At the moment there is one body funding it, and they are overrall responsible for the project. If the UK doesn't deliver we lose our reputation. You can't do project like this across funding bodies. Independence will mean the UK will struggle to deliver what it has said it will while Scotland won't be able to do much by itself.

There are some projects that can be easily divided up but that is the exception rather than the norm.

I doubt working together would be an issue among the academics. The issue will be funding those projects and politics. Why would The British Government/Tax Payers be happy with funding anything in Scotland after a Yes vote. It would be a political minefield. I can see a political backlash happening along the lines of a big FU when this is done and its a yes.

Private funding from industry is not so much an issue but it will still be very political. I'm sure the papers will have a field day with stories like 'XX company favours Scottish university investment over ours!' shite.

 

[old.user4556]

A lot of talk on the radio this morning that Cameron hasn't done nearly enough to save the Union and instead continues to focus on international war mongering instead of home issues.

The UK government have been asleep at the wheel on so many things over the years, and here we are on the cusp of breaking up the UK and nothing's changed. It's easy to see why Yes voters are fatigued with Westminster politics.

 

[Hawkwind]

Maybe they don't really care. They could have done a hell of a lot more in answering back on some of the wishy washy shite that Salmond's team have come up with on economics alone. Reeks of a let them do it policy and just doing enough to make it look like they care. Yes is winning from what I understand of the latest polls.

 

[Raven]

I think that's the thing, the Tories just don't care whether Scotland leaves.
It will be beneficial for England if they do (or at least Tory voters) Much of the ship building and maintenance will shift to England. Much of the financial business will also move - no sane financial institution will operate in a country that has no control over its currency and interest rates, not to mention the lack of any guarantees from the central bank. If the housing market collapses again (which it will do) and Scotland has no control over its currency then they will be buggered.

 

[Embattle]

Salmond has come up with some very wishy washy economics but then like people who flocked to Labour in the past the numbers rarely add up to economic reality, while on the whole I'm bored to death of hearing about the scots in my mind there might even be some benefit to rUK if they did vote yes.

 

[Job]

The simple fact is no one knows...they may shitstorm or flourish like Norway...more probably just bumble along like the rest of us.

 

[old.user4556]

The FTSE and Sterling are on the slide due to said uncertainties.

 

[Scouse]

(which is often referred to as the "devolution max" option).

The trade unions wanted a two question referendum:

1) Full independence / split from UK
2) Devo Max

But Cameron fucked it because he didn't want to give up the powers that the (union backed) Devo Max would take from the UK powerbase.

Funny tho - he's gambled on full independence not being a realistic possibility - and will soon be offering Devo Max as an alternative - which he should have done in the first place. However, it may be seen as too little too late for the Scots.