Politics Scottish Independance.....Thoughts?

[Ch3tan]

Trannies work great in croydon. Quicker and more reliable than buses.

 

[old.user4556]

Things like this:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG6ttqzms6U&app=desktop


... do not help Better Together.

 

[Bodhi]

To be fair, Better Together are getting all the help they need off the Yes lot.

Juncker - No new EU states for the next 5 years.

Facepainters: Aye but they dinnae mean us!

 

[Ormorof]

Well he did come out and say he wasnt talking about Scotland

Theres no precedent in the EU so no one really knows how it will go yet

 

[Bodhi]

Well he did come out and say he wasnt talking about Scotland

Theres no precedent in the EU so no one really knows how it will go yet

Yes we do.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28231347

They will be told to naff off and get in the queue. There is also a very good chance that if Scotland go independent, Spain won't recognise the new country (due to the Catalan thing). So either way, Scotland ain't getting in the EU any time soon.

 

[old.user4556]

His quote was misused by opponents of Independence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28311938

 

[DaGaffer]

His quote was misused by opponents of Independence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28311938

Its the same shit that's being going on since last November. There's no precedent so there's no defined rules about any of this, and both sides are claiming their lawyers have the answer, when they don't, they just have opinions. Scotland will be allowed to accede if various EU apparatchiks decide it would be politically useful to kick David Cameron in the nuts. Or, Scotland won't be allowed to accede if various EU apparatchiks decide its more in their interest not to piss the UK off even more ahead of a referendum on membership and because the Spanish lobby hard against it. Either way, no-one's opinion is worth a damn because the decision will be made by the unaccountable EU Commission, but its the Scottish public who are taking the gamble on that decision; they certainly shouldn't take SNP reassurances as gospel.

 

[Job]

I've just read about the Clare oil field off Shetland..this may be known to you..but I missed it..seems Cameron visited unannounced last week or so and rumours are it could be the largest oil field in the world and top quality as well.

 

[old.user4556]

The Clare field has been known for 30+ years, it's no secret and this "Cameron is covering something up" is just Cybernat paranoia. The field is well documented on it's potential and it's only in recent years that we're a) able to get to it and b) it's actually worth going after. Even still, getting everything out of the Clare field doesn't change the fact that the oil production is in decline.

 

[Gwadien]

Aye, the Scottish lads I play dota with were on about that oil field off the coast of Glasgow that they could use, and the Tories, not the British government, the Tories didn't want them to get to the oil, because they wanted Scotland to stay below England in terms of prosperity.

Life in Scotland isn't exactly 3rd world at the minute, I don't understand, if they have all these oil supplies under the sea, wouldn't you hold onto them for a rainy day, then start extracting the juicy oils?

 

[Job]

Getting close...holy fuck never expected such a knife edge which brings up a huge problem..if they leave 50% of the population don't want it.

 

[Embattle]

In reality it causes me no problems which ever way it goes.

 

[Tom]

Go where the money is:

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/scottish-independence/referendum-outcome

 

[Corran]

lol, I could actually see people voting to win a bet, it is that rediculous.

No all the way here though. Not even listening to the ballshit coming out the yes community. Was laughing at a debate on facebook when I stated that people that were around in the time of Salmond know that he was a "terrorist" and not to be trusted... after that no one made a single comment which was a shame

 

[Job]

It is a bit laughable us asking Scotland to say when most of us want out of europe.
No matter how cheesy and made up the speech from braveheart almost completely sums up the situation and I'm sure it will be played back to back the night before.

 

[Raven]

Not bothered either way now, so utterly fed up of hearing about it.

 

[Hawkwind]

This giant political farce will draw to a close soon and good riddance to it. It still amazes me some of the crap that has been spouted by both sides but particularly team yes. Very little mention of the 55000 MOD jobs in Scotland. The Clyde shipyards currently building the maritime patrol boats etc. BAe Chairman has openly stated that the decision belongs to the MoD but indicated that production would move and the yard close. Team Yes response, " no they would not!" Well that's sorted then Imagine the political pressure from Tyne & Wear and Portsmouth etc. Of course BAe will move production and close the yard.

National Currency, EU Membership, NATO....If they vote yes and down the road realise they duped by Salmond they could always draw and quarter him whilst he screams, "Freedom!" More likely he will convince them to take up arms against the 'auld enemy' as everything will be England's fault.

I honestly don't care what way it goes, makes no difference to me personally. I half hope they do vote yes just so we can sit back and watch the mess ensue. Just need to get that wall started!

 

[Zarjazz]

Getting close...holy fuck never expected such a knife edge which brings up a huge problem..if they leave 50% of the population don't want it.

And if they stay that also means 50% want to leave. In that case they should just fuck off to America like they did last time

 

[Raven]

I hear there are some great investment opportunities in Panama.

 

[Job]

Read wiki on the scottish empire building in America...it was so pathetic you have to feel sorry for them.


Edit.here it is
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme

 

[old.user4556]

You lot are fed up with this? How do you think it feels to live and work here?

I see this day in, day out. It's all that gets talked about, it's all that there is on the TV. There's Yes banners and stickers all over the place, and those that dare to erect a "No Thanks" or "UK OK" sticker run the risk of having their windows panned in.

If it's one thing I despise more than a Scottish Nationalist, it's an English Fuckwit who says "lets rebuild the wall" or "they'll be back with the begging bowl". I can't tell you how much of a fucking cunt you sound, don't dare patronise me in that way.

 

[old.user4556]

Read wiki on the scottish empire building in America...it was so pathetic you have to feel sorry for them.


Edit.here it is
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme

What's that got to do with Scottish Indepedence? Shall I pull some English fuck-up from 400 years ago out my arsehole and use that as a compelling argument why Westminster doesn't work?

Jesus Job, I know you're retarded but that's a whole new level of pointless dickery.

 

[Gwadien]

Would you say (Like most nationalists) that most of the Yes voters haven't actually thought about it, they're just going with the romantic idea of being an independent state?

 

[Job]

What's that got to do with Scottish Indepedence? Shall I pull some English fuck-up from 400 years ago out my arsehole and use that as a compelling argument why Westminster doesn't work?

Jesus Job, I know you're retarded but that's a whole new level of pointless dickery.

It was one of the main reasons Scotland came into the union because it made them bankrupt and joining England turned them into a modern country...so that's the history lesson..so let's hope it doesn't repeat itself.

 

[old.user4556]

Would you say (Like most nationalists) that most of the Yes voters haven't actually thought about it, they're just going with the romantic idea of being an independent state?

The Yes voters that I know generally fall into two categories:

- They want a Yes vote regardless of what the outcome would mean. Even if that means we're living in tents and have no running water. Those are the true nationalists that the English love to parody and hate. You'll get them anywhere, in any country. Everyone has them.
- The others want decisions for Scotland, made in Scotland, by Scotland, for Scottish people. Westminster doesn't work for these people, for whatever the reasons. They don't want to be part of wars abroad, or have nuclear weapons and they don't want George "patronising cunt" Osborne telling them what they can and can't do.

All this talk of oil, currency, education, defense etc. etc. is just political bluster to buy more votes for the middle ground.

 

[Job]

No need to panic westminster has promised to leave the door wide open to rejoin if things go tits up...

 

[old.user4556]

No they haven't, once it's done, it's done. There's no going back.

I'm not worried in the slightest anyway.

 

[Gwadien]

The Yes voters that I know generally fall into two categories:

- They want a Yes vote regardless of what the outcome would mean. Even if that means we're living in tents and have no running water. Those are the true nationalists that the English love to parody and hate. You'll get them anywhere, in any country. Everyone has them.
- The others want decisions for Scotland, made in Scotland, by Scotland, for Scottish people. Westminster doesn't work for these people, for whatever the reasons. They don't want to be part of wars abroad, or have nuclear weapons and they don't want George "patronising cunt" Osborne telling them what they can and can't do.

All this talk of oil, currency, education, defense etc. etc. is just political bluster to buy more votes for the middle ground.

It seems to be quite illogical to leave Britain during a Tory government, since Salmond is being a cheeky shit and asking for so much stuff (joint currency, no debt etc etc) you'd expect it to be better to be a Labour government to leave under since they'd be so much nicer.

 

[old.user4556]

Salmond wants all the good bits only because he knows he won't get a Yes vote without it. BBC? no problem! Keep the pound? Guaranteed! Love the Queen? We're keeping her too!

Like I said, Yes need the middle ground of "maybes" and undecideds - telling them that Sterling is a "millstone around Scotland's neck" or that the BBC is going, or that the Queen will be binned wouldn't get votes. However, those of us not stupid enough to fall for it know exactly where Scotland is going next: the People's Republic of Scotland, I guarantee it.

Have you read the White Paper? It's hilarious, never have I read such contradictory material. It can be summed up as "nothing's changing! but everything's changing!".

 

[Gwadien]

Salmond wants all the good bits only because he knows he won't get a Yes vote without it. BBC? no problem! Keep the pound? Guaranteed! Love the Queen? We're keeping her too!

Like I said, Yes need the middle ground of "maybes" and undecideds - telling them that Sterling is a "millstone around Scotland's neck" or that the BBC is going, or that the Queen will be binned wouldn't get votes. However, those of us not stupid enough to fall for it know exactly where Scotland is going next: the People's Republic of Scotland, I guarantee it.

Have you read the White Paper? It's hilarious, never have I read such contradictory material. It can be summed up as "nothing's changing! but everything's changing!".

Yeah, I've heard that the SNP are pretty much a more socialist Labour party, but I'd imagine if you do get independence, elections would be imminent, otherwise you'll struggle as a nation, the SNP will need to appeal to the working classes to gain votes by staying very socialist, but when that's going to sting the rest of society, crossing Hadrians Wall to one of the wealthiest countries on the planet will become very appealing.

It's not Cuba, it'll be virtually impossible to tempt people to stay, unless they physically force people to stay.