Rant Scammed.

[Furr]

Write to your MP?

 

[TdC]

Damn man, that sucks big time o0

 

[Gumbo]

Write to your MP?

Yes do this, they are obliged to respond.

Do you suppose they are carrying on because they are still making decent sums, and when they do get to court they will simply 'ask for a further 1,378 cases to be taken into account' which adds negligible amounts to any punishment?

 

[Damini]

They are putting up about 20 scams at a time on gumtree - with an average take of between £350 and £500. This is not including the people they will be approaching who have put their own adverts up, requesting to buy. Gumtree are well aware of the problem. Combine this with the runs they are doing on ebay, the av forums, and god knows where else, and I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that they are raking in a couple of thousand pounds a day.

At first I thought they had to be so clever, that everything *has* to behind pseudonyms, but now I've come full circle and think they're just brazen. Will they be forced to give the money back? Will they fuck. Will they be given time equivalent at least to how long it would have taken them to earn this money? Will they fuck. It would seem they are now so successful that they are advertising jobs in Lichfield, where you process the money through your bank account, and keep a percentage.

The name Ca1vin Ainsw0rth is cropping up again in the scams - now, I know this is not just a pseudonym, because when he scammed me the e-mail address linked to a facebook page (and I also found his myspace and bebo page). The sort code also linked to Lichfield, and there has only been one Ca1vin Ainsw0rth born in England since 1984, and he lives in Lichfield. That facebook page shut down, as did the email, but I would recognise that face any where. His new facebook page has much higher security settings, so you can't search for it (or even see it in people's friend lists, afaik) but you can see it when he posts in stupid groups, if you do a stringent search within facebook, via google. Same person in the pictures, same name.

RAGE.

 

[Furr]

Seems to be a lot of people across multiple forums getting stung by these people, why the police aren't acting is bizarre, Only thing I can think to do as an individual would be to write to you MP and file an independent police complaint, Or even get in touch with a tabloid like the daily mail! I'm sure they would love to have an article on a family of thieves being left by the police who are scamming people left right a centre.

 

[rynnor]

I think its either the Police are crap at internet cases or the public are too stupid to convict in these cases so the CPS wont bother prosecuting - pick one.

 

[Damini]

Wow. Mind blown. There are drug dealing forums? And they are scamming on drug dealing forums? And other people are saying, hey don't get confused with this guy, he's a straight up drug dealer?

Are people just a whole world of stupid these days, or is cyber crime considered a complete no go area for the police?

Info on deedog - Topix

 

[Chilly]

The police are just behind the times. Unless there's some huge lobbying group pushing for it (movies, mp3s) the police wont/cant give a fuck. They are all dinosaurs and have no money.

 

[Arnie 2Tone]

Post his address on the forum full of angry drug enthusiasts. Get behind 7 proxies first just to be on the safe side and you're golden. Street Justice moves a lot quicker than the British legal system!

 

[Shagrat]

God almighty, the amount of evidence that "average joes" have compiled on this and its still going on!!!

 

[Mabs]

make a complaint to the police whatever-theyre-called ?

 

[Fast]

Drug dealer forums wtf. H E L L O Police?

 

[Ch3tan]

Is there a Police cyber crimes unit you can contact directly?

Write to your MP, and maybe try and contact Watchdog? See if you can get some publicity on this.

 

[DaGaffer]

Is there a Police cyber crimes unit you can contact directly?

Write to your MP, and maybe try and contact Watchdog? See if you can get some publicity on this.

Cybercrimes unit was disbanded years ago (deebs and I could tell you stories).

Watchdog might look at it, and if you don't mind feeling all dirty inside, the Daily Mail would be the newspaper of choice.

 

[cHodAX]

Oh, and the police aren't responding to my emails anymore. So damned if I know what's going on. And when I phone up, the copper in charge is always on holiday or something.

Warms the heart it does. Basking in the glow of the british justice system.

Alot of the police jobs that are going will be from those kind of departments.

 

[cHodAX]

Cybercrimes unit was disbanded years ago (deebs and I could tell you stories).

Watchdog might look at it, and if you don't mind feeling all dirty inside, the Daily Mail would be the newspaper of choice.

The Mail would defo follow it up and sensationalise the hell out of it for good measure.

 

[Chilly]

dont write to the fucking mail. write to a real newspaper - they'll be interested.

 

[Furr]

dont write to the fucking mail. write to a real newspaper - they'll be interested.

But Governments only care about what the mail says these days...

 

[DaGaffer]

The Mail would defo follow it up and sensationalise the hell out of it for good measure.

dont write to the fucking mail. write to a real newspaper - they'll be interested.

See above. It ticks the Fail's hot buttons, internet fear, chavs and failure of the police. A real newspaper would do a much...dryer, job of it. Sometimes it makes sense to make the fear press work for you.

 

[Damini]

So, do you think the cyber crime unit needs to be reformed? Something obviously needs to change in the way they handle these kind of incidents.

 

[Gumbo]

The thing is, this isn't really a cyber crime is it? They're not installing trojans, or phishing emails. They are simply placing adverts, then taking money and not delivering. The fact that they advertise on forums instead of with cards in the corner shop isn't really relevant.

Am I right in thinking that they have been charged and are on bail at the moment?

 

[DaGaffer]

So, do you think the cyber crime unit needs to be reformed? Something obviously needs to change in the way they handle these kind of incidents.

Actually it was reformed and the whole "cyber-crime" area was reviewed late in the last government, and yes it does include stuff like eBay scams. Problem, as always, is resource. When I was in e-commerce in the UK we were basically told not to bother the police unless it was significant (50K+) fraud. Thing is, it often was that significant, but never in a single transaction (we had whole post code blocks in parts of Manchester that we simply stopped delivering to), so always under the radar of the informal triage system the police operate. This is also one of the problems with the Data Protection Act; you can't share details of the scumbags (technically the stuff on here and the AVForums is breaking the DPA).

 

[Damini]

The thing is, this isn't really a cyber crime is it? They're not installing trojans, or phishing emails. They are simply placing adverts, then taking money and not delivering. The fact that they advertise on forums instead of with cards in the corner shop isn't really relevant.

Am I right in thinking that they have been charged and are on bail at the moment?

I guess it's cyber crime in the sense that you have to investigate e-mail addresses, and online bank transactions, and the evidence linking back to the culprits is zeros and ones mostly, rather than fingerprints.

Afaik, some of the group were investigated and bailed but that was a looooong time ago, and if anything they've stepped up their game since then.

The tragic thing is, as DaGaffer was saying - look at the AV forums, or the gumtree forums. See how many people ended up there having nearly been scammed but stopping at the last moment, because they were able to google the details and find out, or see a thread posted by their friends. It may well be in violation of the DPA, but it's protecting people from losing money, something which the law seems ill equipped to do. If it's going to jeopardise the case though, does someone need to go through and smite the references here (and the references to the references)?

I've long ago given up seeing my money again. It just burns me the amount of money they must be raking in, long after they've been rumbled. It's like playing Cluedo, working out who the killer is, and then watching them go on a killing spree. That's not how it's done!!

 

[Ch3tan]

Didn't think the DPA applied with private transactions.

 

[Jiggs]

I doubt anyone is going to get sued under the DPA for saying "don't by an ipod from this twit".

 

[Zenith.UK]

Sounds like this needs to be escalated to SOCA.
It is organised crime because there are a number of people behind it, there is a large sum of money being generated and the Plod are out of their depth. There is a paper and data trail that even ordinary people can trace. Once SOCA get involved, they get access to far more data than we can.

I'd suggest a 4-pronged attack of collecting all the information and references and then informing:
Local Police
Local MP
National newspaper
SOCA directly

Just making sure your MP is involved can help the Police or SOCA get on with doing what they should be doing. The paper helps by raising the profile to the national level.
The one thing that's awkward is prejudicing any subsequent trial in court.

 

[SAS]

Looks like there is some sort of cyber unit in action

TEEN fan of hit game Call Of Duty arrested for bringing its online version crashing down | The Sun |News

 

[Damini]

Got an update today, well, an update telling me I can expect an update in a couple months. It's going to be a profitable Christmas for them I should imagine, as they scramble to get as much money in their grubby little hands as possible. I'll tell you more as soon as I can.

Fingers crossed.

 

[Damini]

It's going to be a profitable Christmas for them I should imagine, as they scramble to get as much money in their grubby little hands as possible.

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[Damini]

And also: 07855012974 - United Kingdom - Classifieds

Though can't be sure on that one.. more a hunch since that same number has been used in previous adverts under a different name.