Savages ARENT hybrids

[Arnor]

Q: I noticed on the recent patch notes that savages had their insta-taunt turned into a castable one, presumably to remove their ability to insta-taunt enemy casters while moving. However, I didn’t see where the Friar and Paladin version of the insta-taunt was removed. Was this an oversight?

A: Not at all. The savage was the only class in the game that had both insta-taunt AND tank Ras such as Determination, and the combination was a little unfair.

Here's a quote from our Balance Producer (whose Team Lead program is responsible for many of the class balance suggestions we implemented in 1.65):

“Savages, Friars, and Paladins all had the ability to insta-interrupt casters at range (as do others who either do damage or a form of CC with their instas). This ability is on a 30 second timer and is most often used at the start of the battle to help these classes have a better chance of getting into melee range without being mezzed, stunned, or rooted. The problem wasn’t with the interrupt itself, but with the fact that the Savage was the only class in the game that had both the insta-taunt AND access to tank Realm Abilities.(Determination, Purge, etc at a reduced cost). Given the choice between removing determination and other RA from the savage, or removing the insta-taunt ability, we felt that the making a change to the insta-taunt would be much less disruptive to the players of that class.”

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by Arnor
Given the choice between removing determination and other RA from the savage, or removing the insta-taunt ability, we felt that the making a change to the insta-taunt would be much less disruptive to the players of that class.”

ehehehehe

like the huge nerf bat inc isn't gonna be disruptive 'to the players of that class' (aka fotm nuubs)

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Arnor
Given the choice between removing determination and other RA from the savage, or removing the insta-taunt ability, we felt that the making a change to the insta-taunt would be much less disruptive to the players of that class.”

They should have chosen the 1st option :lol:

 

[old.Nol]

we have been listening long and hard to our players grievances about the overpowered savages and instead of disrupting the class entirely, we have decided to allow them to carry instruments...THNX4CMING!

 

[old.Zoyster]

Re: Re: Savages ARENT hybrids

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
(aka fotm nuubs)

hihihi

 

[Shaurr]

How civil of them to think on the players, choosing les-distruptive route.

Wish they had done so on zerkers and sbs too.

 

[Divinia]

Originally posted by Shaurr
How civil of them to think on the players, choosing les-distruptive route.

Wish they had done so on zerkers and sbs too.

Yes cus zerker is SUCH A FUCKING UNPLAYABLE CLASS SO ITS NOT BELIVABLE ANYMORE! THEY DONT WTFPWN HEAVY TANKS IN 3 HITS!!1 THEY CAN BE COMPARED TO OTHER LIGHTTANKS! FU MYHIC DESTROYING THE CLASS!!11

 

[uglymug]

<cough> caps lock stuck again?

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by uglymug
<cough> caps lock stuck again?

It does get to be a bit boring, to be honest, when mids claim the zerker was "destroyed" by the LA nerf. Everyone knows that a good player can still win a huge number of RPs with a zerker, that it's still fundamentally a good damage-dealing class. I have a lot more sympathy with the SB's, who got hit a lot harder by the LA nerf than zerkers, taking them from well-above the effectiveness of infi's to well below it.

 

[kinag]

Zerkers were hardly destroyed, brought in to line with the others, even tho studded sucks a bit, and how often does a troll evade in combat even tho we have Evade III + Advanced Evade? ^^

 

[Rg.Roller]

Most just cry that the Savage isnt a class of thier realm...if it was im sure your would see the vast majority playing them. Thier much more fun to play then the forever "ooe" zerker, personally dont care what people think.

 

[)nick(]

Originally posted by Rg.Miath
Most just cry that the Savage isnt a class of thier realm...if it was im sure your would see the vast majority playing them. Thier much more fun to play then the forever "ooe" zerker, personally dont care what people think.

Actually people who do play the savage, are completely honest and have played both realms at a very competitive level of RVR say that savages are unbalanced. They might not go posting on BW about it because quite frankly why should they? Everyone enjoys winning.

 

[K0nah]

Originally posted by kinag
how often does a troll evade in combat even tho we have Evade III + Advanced Evade? ^^

well thats the choice u made when u rolled the char tho init... damage over defence

saw a valkyn zerker last night for first time, he should evade 'ok' i imagine

 

[old.Ramas]

The problem is not that it is insta - the problem is that it interrupts.

nm.

 

[Silenzio]

i dont like savages they offend my view!!!

 

[parzi]

teeeheee
as i always said, savages will not loose tank ras.
after they nerfed 2h savages and the life cost i hope they will now nerf hth styles
then savages could be a class that is "in line" with others and still fun to play.
and the questions from the category "howshallispecmynewsavagetowtfpwn?" will end ;P and then some other classes players will be called "fotmn00b"

funny though that becoming a hybrid is seen as the biggest nerf nowadays, shows that a lot is wrong with this game's realm abilitys and balancing.

oh btw
crying about the new spell = you can also start crying about throwing weapons, xbow, bow
tbh i would prefer throwing axes over some stupid interupt spell

 

[hotrat]

hmm determination or a 30 second insta taunt, not a hard choice really Why not give friars and paladins that choice as well? And dont say cus they can do stuff while rooted, cus the stuff they can do while rooted sux

 

[parzi]

they still can do stuff while rooted and have abilities to help their grp

well determination should be nerfed, or at least all classes should be able to buy a version of it with 10% per level or something.

 

[old.anubis]

Originally posted by hotrat
And dont say cus they can do stuff while rooted, cus the stuff they can do while rooted sux

really?

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by hotrat
hmm determination or a 30 second insta taunt, not a hard choice really Why not give friars and paladins that choice as well? And dont say cus they can do stuff while rooted, cus the stuff they can do while rooted sux

paladin is in the group to give end chant (well in the "perfect" rvr group) frair could still heal and still give resist buffs+buffs. Those things suck?

well offcourse playing end chant only is kinda boring for the paladin himself, but that cant be helped.

 

[uglymug]

Originally posted by Gordonax
It does get to be a bit boring, to be honest, when mids claim the zerker was "destroyed" by the LA nerf. Everyone knows that a good player can still win a huge number of RPs with a zerker, that it's still fundamentally a good damage-dealing class. I have a lot more sympathy with the SB's, who got hit a lot harder by the LA nerf than zerkers, taking them from well-above the effectiveness of infi's to well below it.

zerkers weren't destroyed by the LA nerf/fix ... but find themselves in a very ackward position. namely having a tank in their realm that can do the job they were designed to do..and better at that.

they weren't destroyed, they were replaced, made redundant..and for a player that must realy feel horrible. read Arnor's goodbye speech .. he has to make people attentative to his high RR and experience...else he too would be left sitting at mtk waiting for a group

it's not even savages (allt he fotm people included) that are the problem ... it's the very twisted mindset that now seems the norm in mid

all realms suffer from the 'perfect' mid goup setup : 3healers, 3savages, 1skald, 1shaman. that's 4 viable classes midgard has in RvR (or so goes the doctrine). anybody not playing these classes is basically fukked, condemded to gimp-pickup groups (which can be fun too btw) or kind guild groups

mid suffers from this line of thinking, but instead of getting butchered by this perfect setup on the battlefield like albs/hbs..they are prevented from even going

mid RvR is going downhill fast imo..or should that be RvR in general?

 

[Pandemic]

Mythic Developer1: Lets introduce a new class to mid called the savage
Mythic Developer2: Wont that class take exactly the same role in rvr as the zerker?
Mythic Developer1: Yeah but i'm knackered after thinking up of all these other classes and cant be arsed to make a decent new one for midgard melee

 

[bult]

Originally posted by driwen
paladin is in the group to give end chant (well in the "perfect" rvr group) frair could still heal and still give resist buffs+buffs. Those things suck?

well offcourse playing end chant only is kinda boring for the paladin himself, but that cant be helped.

A rooted paladin wont give end to the tanks tho since end regen have same radius as the UBER LOW radius on celerity that healers whine about.

 

[AbPoon]

Cry more nerfed Zerkers :E

 

[tildson]

But a rooted shaman would? Its not like a Paladin is your enemies' first target as the shaman is

 

[old.Odysseus]

Originally posted by Arnor
"[...]we felt that the making a change to the insta-taunt would be much less disruptive to the players of that class.”

WTF?!?!
Why didnt they think like that before they nerfed the living daylights out of my scout?

 

[Aloca]

Re: Re: Savages ARENT hybrids

Originally posted by old.Odysseus

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Originally posted by Arnor
"[...]we felt that the making a change to the insta-taunt would be much less disruptive to the players of that class.”
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WTF?!?!
Why didnt they think like that before they nerfed the living daylights out of my scout?

They have never thought like that before, but the fact that they must fix a class this much and this close to its release shows that they did a very huge fuckup with testing. But as it is a new class peps that rolled one cant be made to upset becouse non want the own lvled char to get nerfed same sec it ding 50.

 

[old.Odysseus]

Re: Re: Re: Savages ARENT hybrids

Originally posted by Aloca
[...]shows that they did a very huge fuckup with testing.

imo there are two options:

a) They didnt test it.

b) They tested it and found that it was correctly suited to being a new FOTM, thus making ppl reroll and keeping them in the game.

 

[vindicat0r]

Originally posted by Arnor
, we felt that the making a change to the insta-taunt would be much less disruptive to the players of that class.

But letting the savage wtfpwn everybody else's class is ok ?

They really need to look at Mid tank class's in general for RvR, as somebody said earlier, all other tank's in mid are redundant, why take in a tank that will do less damage and has less defence so you dont have to heal as much ?

Oh well, they should have just removed that interupt for all class's as it sucks for all caster's , they have it hard enough as it is

 

[old.Nol]

Mythic were ffing stupid IMO, in the savage they have basically giving people from all realms an easy way to give up playing. Even mids are giving up because of the stupid class...oh well...