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[Shike]

The difference is that ppl like Horner do it so blatently that ppl don't even care a little bit when he does it, it's more amusing then anything else.

Like when he adds on you for example my reaction is more like, lol Horner again... It's ironic that he tries to have this reputation but with his excessive use of emotes, di and other stuff that is considered unfair play / griefing by most ppl, that he fails to do what he wants and turns into a parody of what he tries to achieve.

The other do tend to piss ppl off a bit more and succeed in their goal i guess

Exactly The more vocal part of the two archetypes is just comedy, think most have realised this by now. Its the silent type that bugs me the most since those are the ones ruining the majority of my fun I try to have.

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

The difference is that ppl like Horner do it so blatently that ppl don't even care a little bit when he does it, it's more amusing then anything else.

Like when he adds on you for example my reaction is more like, lol Horner again... It's ironic that he tries to have this reputation but with his excessive use of emotes, di and other stuff that is considered unfair play / griefing by most ppl, that he fails to do what he wants and turns into a parody of what he tries to achieve.

The other do tend to piss ppl off a bit more and succeed in their goal i guess

While i laugh at Horner personally, i do find the DI, emote spamming pre goa bans, perma farming xpers a bit excessive and could be considered griefing by some.

 

[Sharkith]

While i laugh at Horner personally, i do find the DI, emote spamming pre goa bans, perma farming xpers a bit excessive and could be considered griefing by some.

The pdf article I linked you to is quite good but sadly doesn't answer the problem or move it forward much I wonder if it has been peer reviewed and published since the conference.

I agree Horner is a parody and most people find what he does amusing he no longer bothers anyone I know - he is kind of like the village idiot now.

The whole problem with the definition of griefing is establishing the intention and Fatload your right when you relate to what one should 'expect' in an RvR zone. If someone is geared towards 'achieving' and this takes the form of solo encounters obviously the accusation of griefing is going to emerge when someone else repeatedly spoils their fun.

Now to come here and then repeatedly call someone a cock sucker for doing so is simply griefing on the internet forum. Its a pity it cannot be addressed much more constructively....

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

The pdf article I linked you to is quite good but sadly doesn't answer the problem or move it forward much I wonder if it has been peer reviewed and published since the conference.

I agree Horner is a parody and most people find what he does amusing he no longer bothers anyone I know - he is kind of like the village idiot now.

The whole problem with the definition of griefing is establishing the intention and Fatload your right when you relate to what one should 'expect' in an RvR zone. If someone is geared towards 'achieving' and this takes the form of solo encounters obviously the accusation of griefing is going to emerge when someone else repeatedly spoils their fun.

Now to come here and then repeatedly call someone a cock sucker for doing so is simply griefing on the internet forum. Its a pity it cannot be addressed much more constructively....

The main problem i see is that there are so many different playstyles that at some point some are going to conflict, for example you have my playstyle where i will 'normally' attack any enemy and im usually in the DC area, now i attack someone who is an ardent solo player, who gets angry when his fights are interferred and you have a conflict of playstyles which usually results in a FH whine or personal abuse in game. This can also be said when a solo player gets steamrolled constantly by a stealthzerg, the famous line 'you can't please everyone' is perfect in this situation

Unfortunately when you have a game catering for a thousand players plus these conflicts will arise.

 

[ebenezer]

naah, not every zerger is a sadist Hence the "there are some..". Some people just play the game and just dont care about much and just go on doing the thing they like, they usually dont add on everything in sight though, have to be quite RPhorny to do that, ofc its just as lame, the action is still the same, its just the motive that is different, the "victim" however doesnt care one bit about the motive, he just see the action and judge thereafter like most people do. So what does really differ between Horner (lol Theseus) who is a true sadistic sack of shit and regularJoe boyscout who add on everything he see just because he knows no other way of playing?

Well there should be a difference in how poeple see the situasions. How would any society work if we couldnt seperate an accident from an intentionally vile act?
if you are griefed you have the right to take offence( as much as you can over a game) and maybe adress that person acordingly.
While if you play in an area were people dont have the same playstyle as you there is bound to be conflicts that arent produced from any malice.
So as a sane human being the person that have their fun spoiled should look at why that is and make a judgment based on it.
If you cant see the difference between the grief intent or the "accidental" one im not sure what can ever be done
I certainly would treat the two very differently. i get my fun spoiled every day out there..even from some of them being my own friends.
Since i know how they think about the game AND i know they dont do it to spoil for me intentionally....i shrug it off and try and get my fun someplace else...or stay and take the concequenses, and look for a new clean fight.
I dunno...but thats a sugestion from my point of view.
eb.

 

[Tuthmes]

The main problem i see is that there are so many different playstyles that at some point some are going to conflict, for example you have my playstyle where i will 'normally' attack any enemy and im usually in the DC area, now i attack someone who is an ardent solo player, who gets angry when his fights are interferred and you have a conflict of playstyles which usually results in a FH whine or personal abuse in game. This can also be said when a solo player gets steamrolled constantly by a stealthzerg, the famous line 'you can't please everyone' is perfect in this situation

Unfortunately when you have a game catering for a thousand players plus these conflicts will arise.

Basically your saying, cba about other people playstyle, i'm doin this my way. The question you have to ask yourself is, why do i play this game? Is it for fun, then define what gives you the fun in this game. The leeching from other fights and giving your opponent no chance, or the fights you have, be it 1vs1, 2vs4, 8vs8 or just zerg vs zerg. Is it really so hard to understand your ruining other people's fun when playing the way you do?
In the end, when you quit or when daoc stops existing (which will happen eventually), you may wonder why you did put all the time and effort into this game. If it whas "just" for the rps, then you'll find out it whas all for nothing. As bin said before this game holds a community, which includes people from all 3 realms.
Although is just a game, people try to have fun in it and infest time and effort into it. Play like you want to yes, but plz use your brain also from time to time.

 

[Raven]

fatload yesterday you added on a fight between me and a merc, he was doing well for his RR, you started pinging arrows into him when he was on around 25%-30% health, what was the point to it? you cant have made many RPs but you messed up his fight...and probably pissed him off. not having a go, just want to know what you take away from the game? surely standing on a hill surrounded by guards pressing the bow button all evening is not fun.

I can understand zergers, grouping with friends etc, but pure adding and from distance just seems to me to be the most pointless and boring way to spend an evening going.

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

Basically your saying, cba about other people playstyle, i'm doin this my way. The question you have to ask yourself is, why do i play this game? Is it for fun, then define what gives you the fun in this game. The leeching from other fights and giving your opponent no chance, or the fights you have, be it 1vs1, 2vs4, 8vs8 or just zerg vs zerg. Is it really so hard to understand your ruining other people's fun when playing the way you do?
In the end, when you quit or when daoc stops existing (which will happen eventually), you may wonder why you did put all the time and effort into this game. If it whas "just" for the rps, then you'll find out it whas all for nothing. As bin said before this game holds a community, which includes people from all 3 realms.
Although is just a game, people try to have fun in it and infest time and effort into it. Play like you want to yes, but plz use your brain also from time to time.

Read...read it again...if unsure ask a friend to help you.

 

[ebenezer]

Basically your saying, cba about other people playstyle, i'm doin this my way. The question you have to ask yourself is, why do i play this game? Is it for fun, then define what gives you the fun in this game. The leeching from other fights and giving your opponent no chance, or the fights you have, be it 1vs1, 2vs4, 8vs8 or just zerg vs zerg. Is it really so hard to understand your ruining other people's fun when playing the way you do?
In the end, when you quit or when daoc stops existing (which will happen eventually), you may wonder why you did put all the time and effort into this game. If it whas "just" for the rps, then you'll find out it whas all for nothing. As bin said before this game holds a community, which includes people from all 3 realms.
Although is just a game, people try to have fun in it and infest time and effort into it. Play like you want to yes, but plz use your brain also from time to time.

There exist many people that play this game that have their friends allready...play very casually and yes...just get their rps and excell that way. Like in a single player rpg but they have the friends they can chat with at same time.
As a casual player they have no intrest in diving down into this world of intrigue and own created rules...they just dont have the time or need for that. It might seem very harsh and egoistic to the people that are in that bubble. But thats cause they just cant see any other options.

They dont use FH , they dont know anyone in the leet crowd/solo/fg comunity, and have no intention of doing so. So basicly they are just completely out of this discussion. But they would still be there playing the game as they have all this time.
Like a customer paying for anything casually on a funfare...bowling hall...laserdoom place or whatever, they go there with their friends and play for a few hours and leave.
They dont stop up to listen to what all the other players that play there have as preference, or how they play or make their rules.
Its hard to make a comparison, but the thinking is the same from the casual player.
He doest KNOW this other world we discuss here...and doesnt care. And yes...he might be a nice guy and he DOES pay his subs
Anyways..let the discussion go on hehe.
eb.

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

fatload yesterday you added on a fight between me and a merc, he was doing well for his RR, you started pinging arrows into him when he was on around 25%-30% health, what was the point to it? you cant have made many RPs but you messed up his fight...and probably pissed him off. not having a go, just want to know what you take away from the game? surely standing on a hill surrounded by guards pressing the bow button all evening is not fun.

I can understand zergers, grouping with friends etc, but pure adding and from distance just seems to me to be the most pointless and boring way to spend an evening going.

Going out for an hour or two's rvr (until i get arm ache) and there are 4-6 people in emain, gustav, guindor, ryu, zoia and a couple more. Now zoia i like and tend to leave him alone, gustav is constantly chasing me, and guindor is a pointless target because my arrows do 100 damage and my swords 50 damage. That leaves 2-3 targets for me to attack, which i did, last night i got told i wasn't allowed to add or anything because emain is now a duelling zone, sorry but its not, if you want a duel feel free to goto a more secluded place where you won't be bothered but standing not far from DC west bridge really isn't the place to duel.

As just adding all evening, i was attacking solo people also, ryu, greandal, gustav (you almost run as fast as me ).

 

[Tuthmes]

They dont stop up to listen to what all the other players that play there have as preference, or how they play or make their rules.
Its hard to make a comparison, but the thinking is the same from the casual player.
He doest KNOW this other world we discuss here...and doesnt care. And yes...he might be a nice guy and he DOES pay his subs
Anyways..let the discussion go on hehe.
eb.

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[ebenezer]

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yes he doesnt care...but not cause he is a ignorent asshole that wanna grief...so read all the reasons i stated and and quote me again
My point was WHY he didnt care. And those reasons might give you an idea to why some people should stop and think a sec before abusing.
eb

 

[Tuthmes]

Going out for an hour or two's rvr (until i get arm ache) and there are 4-6 people in emain, gustav, guindor, ryu, zoia and a couple more. Now zoia i like and tend to leave him alone, gustav is constantly chasing me, and guindor is a pointless target because my arrows do 100 damage and my swords 50 damage. That leaves 2-3 targets for me to attack, which i did, last night i got told i wasn't allowed to add or anything because emain is now a duelling zone, sorry but its not, if you want a duel feel free to goto a more secluded place where you won't be bothered but standing not far from DC west bridge really isn't the place to duel.

Well if you can't compete on a rr6 ranja, mebbe thats your problem.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

Going out for an hour or two's rvr (until i get arm ache) and there are 4-6 people in emain, gustav, guindor, ryu, zoia and a couple more. Now zoia i like and tend to leave him alone, gustav is constantly chasing me, and guindor is a pointless target because my arrows do 100 damage and my swords 50 damage. That leaves 2-3 targets for me to attack, which i did, last night i got told i wasn't allowed to add or anything because emain is now a duelling zone, sorry but its not, if you want a duel feel free to goto a more secluded place where you won't be bothered but standing not far from DC west bridge really isn't the place to duel.

And standing near DC w8ing for something to pop and add aint exactly rvr...but u and many mroe do it. If some peeps have some nice duels...either join in...or go elsewhere

 

[ebenezer]

Well if you can't compete on a rr6 ranja, mebbe thats your problem.

thing is he doesnt have a problem with it Its others that have hehe.
He knows his limits on the toon he have and seem to use it in the way he can.

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

Well if you can't compete on a rr6 ranja, mebbe thats your problem.

Its not my problem, my ranger is bow specced and i play it to its strengths

 

[Tuthmes]

thing is he doesnt have a problem with it Its others that have hehe.
He knows his limits on the toon he have and seem to use it in the way he can.

Mebbe he should improve his limits and enjoy the game in its full potential, instead of beeing a brainless toon?

 

[Tuthmes]

Its not my problem, my ranger is bow specced and i play it to its strengths

Obviously.

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

Mebbe he should improve his limits and enjoy the game in its full potential, instead of beeing a brainless toon?

I do enjoy the game a great deal, i have alot of fun playing it casually with my rl friends who don't post here.. Maybe you should learn to read better and grasp the fact that everyone has a different playstyle and enjoys the game in different ways

 

[Tuthmes]

I do enjoy the game a great deal, i have alot of fun playing it. Maybe you should learn to read better and grasp the fact that everyone has a different playstyle and enjoys the game in different ways

Exactly, mebbe its time you realised that yourself.

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

Exactly, mebbe its time you realised that yourself.

I do, thing is, when someone elses playstyle conflicts with mine i don't come here whining and moaning like a child, i just get on with having fun. This brings us back to the Censi situation, you have a player who was a notorious stealthzerger now whining and preaching honour after stealthzerging hundreds of solo stealthers. Now no one would really care about his change in playstyle, but when he constantly makes posts about how certain people have no honour with a past like his its hypocritical.

 

[naic]

Yes but that's because we don't ruin your fun, but you ruin our fun... IS it really that hard to understand? Wish I was that ignorant as well, life would be sooo much easier.

 

[Tuthmes]

I do, thing is, when someone elses playstyle conflicts with mine i don't come here whining and moaning like a child, i just get on with having fun.

Yeah, but the problem is, you have a choice wether you add or not on an obvious 1on1. That's where the brain part comes in, people whine and moan like a child, cause you ruined their fun and obviously they can't get on with it because of players like you.

 

[Tuthmes]

Yes but that's because we don't ruin your fun, but you ruin our fun... IS it really that hard to understand? Wish I was that ignorant as well, life would be sooo much easier.

Read my mind :|

 

[ebenezer]

Mebbe he should improve his limits and enjoy the game in its full potential, instead of beeing a brainless toon?

i know ur frustrated and write from ur heart. But thing is its not ur place to tell him whats good for him and decide that. You can only ask him , and if he doesnt want to or enjoy his way of playing its nothing you can do about it.
You think your way is the right way of playing..he doesnt agree to that...or maybe just dont wanna bother
You say its brainless...he doesnt. Why should he change and play the game in a way he doesnt want to play, give him a very good reason for it.
you are not his friend...you say his way is a brainless way of playing...therfor he sees none^^
he claims he isnt doing it to grief you ur destroy ur personal fun. Think about it instead of just judge from what YOU think. At the end of the day i know it doesnt matter what we say here....but at least the discussions make us understand eachother abit.

and just so you know i dont think its "fun" when fatload destroys my duels either. I just have a different way of handling what i do with that frustration.
Its all for ur own good. if i would work myself up THAT much cause someone ruins my gaming every now and then , i would have quit a lot sooner
eb.

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

Yes but that's because we don't ruin your fun, but you ruin our fun... IS it really that hard to understand? Wish I was that ignorant as well, life would be sooo much easier.

But if i adhere to your ruleset then im suddenly walking about with next to nothing to attack due to duels and adding rules, so therefore it is ruining my fun also as i would log off bored, take emain last night, i dont do duels because they are boring and my character isn't built for them, although i did try zoia , if i was adhering to your ruleset last night i would have had to duel to get a) action b) rp's, something i really don't enjoy.

So you see that in a game like this that caters for thousands you are going to get conflicts in playstyle, you just have to adapt and get on with it.

 

[Straef]

Why's everyone's fh white? mines totally green on every thing.

Green for the win \o\

 

[naic]

Ok a good reason is, TADAA!: DAoC is dying anyone? No? Less and less players? Now HOW do we prevent that? Or at least reduce the numbers that are dropping? How about being nice to other people and let them have a nice time ingame and enjoy the game even more? OOOH! What a smart idea, damn I'm good! It was hard to crack that nut, I need to rest about 14 days now.

 

[E_E]

Where ur SoS is pure skills ? Sorry but your playstyle aint exactly so noble. Not to mention I think a RR11 duo of a skald and savage should do alot better then the two of you do.

They are guite a good duo afaik ive had loads of good duel with them, when kalammer still played, i miss those times... my own rp power lvl wizz

 

[ebenezer]

Ok a good reason is, TADAA!: DAoC is dying anyone? No? Less and less players? Now HOW do we prevent that? Or at least reduce the numbers that are dropping? How about being nice to other people and let them have a nice time ingame and enjoy the game even more? OOOH! What a smart idea, damn I'm good! It was hard to crack that nut, I need to rest about 14 days now.

hehe its a good reason BUT...for people like fatload that wont make any difference. If he would abide by the rules of not engaging in any duels....that would leave him to go against only zergs or duos/trios which he cant handle.
So if some of the solo players quit sure....he would have less to kill..but so would he if he would abide to the "rules" of duels.
He would basicly have to quit playing like he wants to...and obviously he weighs getting a few whines and coninue playing like he does, or quit.
It seems he allready choose what his course will be.