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[Nuxtobatns]

...Fatload is a classic example of a little boy that cant really hurt some1 when he is alone ... but also doesnt want to get hurt himself. So the only thing he can 'choose' to do...is sit around DC with 2 convinient places he can always run back to and just shoot arrows. Not a really huge problem with that except 1)that somehow the area near DC (almost 1/4 of Emain basically) is where many soloers choose to go for soloing and duels sometimes for a change (dont know why, personally i like the colors there) and 2) most of the times he 'chooses' to shoot arrows while (most of the times) a soloer is fighting against one,two,three enemies with the result being most the times the obvious. Destroy the fight and the 'run', when that character has taken a boat, rode it for like 6 mins...and entered a hostile area where he cant rest anywhere and will most probably be outnumbered. And yes Fatload....u NEED to respec even a little this...cause i BET...that when/if these soloers have had enough of u (and peeps like u that add on top of 1-2-3 enemies; but not always lost fights) and stop travelling/playing....then.... u will find yourself arrowing flies near DC...And should u decide to travel to actually arrow something that has a mind...u will (i really hope and will see to it) be zerged down the moment u step to enemy lands...so...in the end....u will smaybe stop playing too...or go pve...cause u wont be able to do anything in the big bad place outside your realm's towers/keep. End of story.

PS:was doing ml pre at the same time, i have a feeling that some parts may not be easily to undestand..but truly...cba to read it again and correct any mistakes. hehe

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

agree. and as i posted before, this guy actually had the balls to tell people to get a proper spec/template and go melee stuff. its like the opposite of censi, from zergling to soloer - this guy goes from soloer to as disrespectful as possible.

it only makes the first bit of your post sound like truth.

Scout was more melee specced, ranger until now has always been 50 bow, why would i melee with no viable melee output? stop being so blind and accept others have different playstyle to you and your crowd.

 

[Shike]

So let me get this straight, i am selfish because i attack people in emain who are solo looking for solo fights in one of the busiest area's in game, the solo players who go out of their way to yell at others this is a solo zone and you can only attack players who aren't in combat?

Like i said to you in my gratz thread, you whine about me adding in emain, and yet you still keep coming back, you play the game your way VF and you enjoy it, i play it my way and i enjoy it, if i bother you why can't you goto bled or hadrians? why do you HAVE to be on DC west bridge, apart from bled bridge the worst place in game to look for a 1v1.

Sorry to say VF but to be abusive to me simply because i don't adhere to your style of play and then to call me selfish is plain wrong.

well mate, the design of NF have unluckily created a situation where lot of people camp their own bridges, you know this.

This means that soloers have to move around to different areas around enemybridges very often to find fights.

This in its own turn means they are very vulnerable since they often get heavily attacked in their search for a fight. Trust me, I know.

You attack these fellas while they are fighting others, they put down time to find fights and you ruin it by adding.

What are you if not selfish? You are very well aware that these fellas really cant go to so many other places to find a fight. You want em to go to agramon and roam for hours? You want em to roam with their realmmates at their own bridge? You seem clever enough to realise that in this case they cannot do that if they want a fight since all their realmmates would make sure it wouldnt be a solofight anymore and so they move to other places. It is not you who adapt and try to make things better overall, it is them adapting while you just take advantage of the situation and leech all you can leech that is within the range of your bow is it not? Wouldnt you call this a selfish behaviour in RvR mate? Maybe im blind here but to me its pretty crystalclear who is the one sacrificing and who is the leeching parasite.

You say you just play the way you like, but you refuse to admit it is a selfish playstyle.. Im fine with you playing the way you like, just dont pretend to be something else, thats all, I think thats why some peeps get a tad annoyed.

Its not a flame or sumthing, but I just dont grasp your reasoning here at all.

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

well mate, the design of NF have unluckily created a situation where lot of people camp their own bridges, you know this.

This means that soloers have to move around to different areas around enemybridges very often to find fights.

This in its own turn means they are very vulnerable since they often get heavily attacked in their search for a fight. Trust me, I know.

You attack these fellas while they are fighting others, they put down time to find fights and you ruin it by adding.

What are you if not selfish? You are very well aware that these fellas really cant go to so many other places to find a fight. You want em to go to agramon and roam for hours? You want em to roam with their realmmates at their own bridge? You seem clever enough to realise that in this case they cannot do that if they want a fight since all their realmmates would make sure it wouldnt be a solofight anymore and so they move to other places. It is not you who adapt and try to make things better overall, it is them adapting while you just take advantage of the situation and leech all you can leech that is within the range of your bow is it not? Wouldnt you call this a selfish behaviour in RvR mate? Maybe im blind here but to me its pretty crystalclear who is the one sacrificing and who is the leeching parasite.

You say you just play the way you like, but you refuse to admit it is a selfish playstyle.. Im fine with you playing the way you like, just dont pretend to be something else, thats all, I think thats why some peeps get a tad annoyed.

Its not a flame or sumthing, but I just dont grasp your reasoning here at all.

And as i said earlier, using last night as an example, if i did adhere to the no adding, 1v1 only rules which some support i would have had to log due to nothing to fight, so after a month or so not being able to play, when i do get some time to play i have to log due to no enemies because they are either a) shield class, b) engaged c) wanting a duel, where is the fun in that with my only 1-2 available hours?

 

[Shike]

And as i said earlier, using last night as an example, if i did adhere to the no adding, 1v1 only rules which some support i would have had to log due to nothing to fight.

and thus, you rather play like a leeching parasite and take what you can take that is within your reach, rather than respecting others fights and let them do their thing which they actually put down time to get.

If that isnt beeing selfish, what is it?

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

...Fatload is a classic example of a little boy that cant really hurt some1 when he is alone ... but also doesnt want to get hurt himself. So the only thing he can 'choose' to do...is sit around DC with 2 convinient places he can always run back to and just shoot arrows. Not a really huge problem with that except 1)that somehow the area near DC (almost 1/4 of Emain basically) is where many soloers choose to go for soloing and duels sometimes for a change (dont know why, personally i like the colors there) and 2) most of the times he 'chooses' to shoot arrows while (most of the times) a soloer is fighting against one,two,three enemies with the result being most the times the obvious. Destroy the fight and the 'run', when that character has taken a boat, rode it for like 6 mins...and entered a hostile area where he cant rest anywhere and will most probably be outnumbered. And yes Fatload....u NEED to respec even a little this...cause i BET...that when/if these soloers have had enough of u (and peeps like u that add on top of 1-2-3 enemies; but not always lost fights) and stop travelling/playing....then.... u will find yourself arrowing flies near DC...And should u decide to travel to actually arrow something that has a mind...u will (i really hope and will see to it) be zerged down the moment u step to enemy lands...so...in the end....u will smaybe stop playing too...or go pve...cause u wont be able to do anything in the big bad place outside your realm's towers/keep. End of story.

PS:was doing ml pre at the same time, i have a feeling that some parts may not be easily to undestand..but truly...cba to read it again and correct any mistakes. hehe

They already organise stealthzergs to kill me on IRC, so it wouldnt be anything new.

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

and thus, you rather play like a leeching parasite and take what you can take that is within your reach, rather than respecting others fights and let them do their thing which they actually put down time to get.

If that isnt beeing selfish, what is it?

But them wanting me to adhere to their rules which the end result would require me to log and not play in the 1-2 hours i have available isn't?

Anyhows i'm off, ml raid now, thanks to those who gave a nice disussion, VF stop making theories up and accept people play different to you and your crowd.

Cheers

 

[trycorn]

They already organise stealthzergs to kill me on IRC, so it wouldnt be anything new.

and that doesnt make u wanna change ur play style just a tad ??

 

[Shike]

But them wanting me to adhere to their rules which the end result would require me to log and not play in the 1-2 hours i have available isn't?

Dont try to dodge my simple question. I didnt ask what the others are doing, you know that.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

They already organise stealthzergs to kill me on IRC, so it wouldnt be anything new.

can hardly believe that. I imagine something like that being said that one time i heard that u heard that they talked about u : Hey guys... that prick Fatload is out again...get him first so that he can go to his mommy and we can play without having to worry about his sossy ass

 

[trycorn]

But them wanting me to adhere to their rules which the end result would require me to log and not play in the 1-2 hours i have available isn't?

u cant move to another zone and fight ppl that actualy dont mind u adding in on their fight's ?
as shike and vf said solors have adapted to nf and found crau to be 1 of the only places (if u didnt arrange the duel's) to find some good solo action and u took it away from them. why dont ya adapt abit to make every1 happy ? ohh and tbh spec melee and u will find out that ranger's actualy can do dmg and can solo vs visual's...

 

[Vodkafairy]

Scout was more melee specced, ranger until now has always been 50 bow, why would i melee with no viable melee output? stop being so blind and accept others have different playstyle to you and your crowd.

good reply, really, i never knew there were people who played differently.

fact is, when there's a duel going at crau, you are the one who controls whether it keeps going or if you interrupt the duel by adding. adding means you want your fun at the cost of those two <- also known as selfish behaviour. my point has always been that you're nothing but selfish, and with your previous post you have proven this more then enough.

still no name on that melee class of yours? scared of adds?

 

[ebenezer]

just as a question to throw out there to the people that really wanna discuss about this.
A guy wanna play a bow specced ranger. He cant handle a lot on his own in 1 vs 1. But he likes the idea of using bows to snipe on other characters. He makes it, and go out to emain. No the only thing there atm is soloers dueling.
What does he do? If he doesnt wanna go somewhere else...he wanna be there killing stuff and excell and improve on his character with getting rps.
Whats his choises?

 

[kivik]

...and accept people play different to you and your crowd.

Heard that quite alot now, I still don't think the problem is that you play differently, a majority of the playerbase plays similarly to you. I thought vf gave some pretty good points, that I agree with.

¤ The fact you prefer your own fun to that of a large group of people is selfish, and it definitely doesn't show those 'manners' you're supposed to have.

¤ Nobody would give a shit if you would go to areas that are commonly accepted as zergy, but you don't.

Those are the main points why you are getting that huge amount of whine/abuse, as I said, it somehow feels like you aimed for that.

Maybe, just maybe it's a sign that your playstyle really is pissing people off. I mean wouldn't it be worth it to go iRvR/take a boat with a doumate instead of having these tons of whines?

 

[Vodkafairy]

just as a question to throw out there to the people that really wanna discuss about this.
A guy wanna play a bow specced ranger. He cant handle a lot on his own in 1 vs 1. But he likes the idea of using bows to snipe on other characters. He makes it, and go out to emain. No the only thing there atm is soloers dueling.
What does he do? If he doesnt wanna go somewhere else...he wanna be there killing stuff and excell and improve on his character with getting rps.
Whats his choises?

1: log
2: be a selfish **** and ruin all duels even if asked not to interfere. or even worse, say you won't interfere, but do so anyways. (nice manners fatload!)
3: move to much more suitable zones

1 is preferred over 2, 3 is recommended.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

just as a question to throw out there to the people that really wanna discuss about this.
A guy wanna play a bow specced ranger. He cant handle a lot on his own in 1 vs 1. But he likes the idea of using bows to snipe on other characters. He makes it, and go out to emain. No the only thing there atm is soloers dueling.
What does he do? If he doesnt wanna go somewhere else...he wanna be there killing stuff and excell and improve on his character with getting rps.
Whats his choises?

There is a bow ranger with a cyclops shield and flowers as weaps...ask her imo

 

[ebenezer]

1: log
2: be a selfish **** and ruin all duels even if asked not to interfere. or even worse, say you won't interfere, but do so anyways. (nice manners fatload!)
3: move to much more suitable zones

1 is preferred over 2, 3 is recommended.

3 is kinda out of the question as his bread and butter is soloers or maybe the ocasional duo trio fighting.
So his only option would to either logg to please everyone else...or to be selfish then in ur opinion
Not much of a choise really is it.
Would it not be just as easy to arrange a dueling place somewhere else were fattie didnt come?
Or is it just ok to asume everyone else will abide by the solo crowds wishes?
Im just continuing making points for the discussion...intresting to see how you think.
eb.

 

[Tuthmes]

just as a question to throw out there to the people that really wanna discuss about this.
A guy wanna play a bow specced ranger. He cant handle a lot on his own in 1 vs 1. But he likes the idea of using bows to snipe on other characters. He makes it, and go out to emain. No the only thing there atm is soloers dueling.
What does he do? If he doesnt wanna go somewhere else...he wanna be there killing stuff and excell and improve on his character with getting rps.
Whats his choises?

There's so many flaws in this conception. First he spec's a ranja to bow. Fine, but does this mean you have to add on every 1on1 thats goin on? Secondly, he knows that there's lots of dueling in emain. So does he go there on purpose to ruin the 1on1's? Or if you'd say so, adding on 1on1 is his only way to get rp's, might it just be that the ranger was designed for more then just recurve bow?
If it would happen occasionaly, fine, but there's a differance in what he does.

 

[ebenezer]

There's so many flaws in this conception. First he spec's a ranja to bow. Fine, but does this mean you have to add on every 1on1 thats goin on? Secondly, he knows that there's lots of dueling in emain. So does he go there on purpose to ruin the 1on1's? Or if you'd say so, adding on 1on1 is his only way to get rp's, might it just be that the ranger was designed for more then just recurve bow?
If it would happen occasionaly, fine, but there's a differance in what he does.

i can just draw a paralell to my ranger. He is a hybrid, and believe me. I cant beat shit 1 vs 1. I do however have a chance as duo trio ofc.
But lets say i wanna go out alone one night or cant find anyone to play with?
My chances would be either to add on an ongoing fight no matter how many in it. There is no other option. OR i may logg to be unselfish. Thing is many people sais its selfish. But its as easy saying the soloers are selfish to go to a place like crau bridge.
Especially when its easy taken care off to change place over irc or over other ways of comunication.
There is defenitly two sides to this coin...and its too bad not more people can see it

 

[Matmardigan]

I am here to take part in discussions like everyone else, or did i miss the line in the FH CoC where when i click accept i start my FH respect master levels?

but why?

u dont care about the people ingame.
So why you care about em on fh?

Tell that to my guildmates, rl friends and friends, they would disagree.

The second Coming, Guildmates of Fatload, tbh a bunch of randoms

1. Fatload BoysDoCry RP's 1.301.298
2. Crouch RP's 657.435
3. Crosby RP's 568.275
4. Temai RP's 420.198
5. Cilit Bang RP's 413.184

list goes on but RP's geting lesser and lesser.

If that was the case iwouldn't be here discussing things with people would i?

So, u care about peoples opinions on FH, but u shit on em ingame, cause it fits ur fun/joy best.

No, if i really wanted the attention i wouldn't have replied to anything and sat back reading the whine posts, but since i do enjoy mature discussions i thought i would sign up to FH and give people the opportunity to discuss thier thoughts while sharing mine with them.

u enjoy mature discussions on FH and same time unmature playstyle ingame.

Thats the point i dont get

Correct, congratulations on reading level , at level two dick finds a red ball, a big red ball.

oh, ok forget mature discussions.
and at level three it flys out of ur nose.

Some people show respect on this forum by chatting in a mature and sensible way, alot don't, the fact so many get banned and so many threads get locked is a clear indication that alot of people are disrespectful of others.

yes, mostly cause of unmature behavior ingame

You don't have to be looking for respect to be respectful to others when talking to them on a forum, its called manners.

so why dont show the same manners ingame?

 

[ebenezer]

but why?

u dont care about the people ingame.
So why you care about em on fh?



The second Coming, Guildmates of Fatload, tbh a bunch of randoms

1. Fatload BoysDoCry RP's 1.301.298
2. Crouch RP's 657.435
3. Crosby RP's 568.275
4. Temai RP's 420.198
5. Cilit Bang RP's 413.184

list goes on but RP's geting lesser and lesser.




So, u care about peoples opinions on FH, but u shit on em ingame, cause it fits ur fun/joy best.



u enjoy mature discussions on FH and same time unmature playstyle ingame.

Thats the point i dont get




oh, ok forget mature discussions.
and at level three it flys out of ur nose.



yes, mostly cause of unmature behavior ingame



so why dont show the same manners ingame?

First of all i dont see how fatloads guildm8ts are relevant and why you have to offend them by calling them randoms nor who they are have any relevance. That wasnt a good argument imo.
And a blow to ur own cause
About mature behaviours in game...lol also a bit of a funny argument. Who decides what kinda playstyle is more mature?? Is it more mature to abuse people for a playstyle? I wouldnt put any lable on any playstyle, none being any more mature then the other...its a game so i guess we all are quite imature in many peoples eyes^^
Its all ur own opinions and no one can change that...but in a discussion to try and understand one another i wouldnt say it brought many good arguments here to discuss^^

 

[Raven]

you cant argue with him, he takes pleasure out of ruining the game for others. a pathetic little man indeed.

 

[Eeben]

One thing i dont understand fatload an that is dont you want any challenge in a game? Because it cant be anything close to challenging standing next to a tower in stealth an waiting for someone to start a fight so you can leech an get your rps..

an you talk so much about respecting eachother why dont you start respecting ppl at dc who like to duel an go some where else like alb where there is instant rvr an you can leech all you want? but like said many times , you only play to ruin their fun an your proud of it..

 

[ebenezer]

One thing i dont understand fatload an that is dont you want any challenge in a game? Because it cant be anything close to challenging standing next to a tower in stealth an waiting for someone to start a fight so you can leech an get your rps..

hehe he have allready stated that many times..he isnt after the same challenge that we are
He have fun the way he plays( no matter strange that may seem^^).

 

[Eeben]

hehe he have allready stated that many times..he isnt after the same challenge that we are
He have fun the way he plays( no matter strange that may seem^^).

Most ppl that has a hobby has it because of the challenge ? like ppl who fix cars its a challenge for them to get it to work? for most ppl in daoc its a challenge to kill others an stuff be that by solo, fg or zerg but just waiting for someone to enter combat so you can leech the rps an then run to the towers that just sad..

 

[Tuthmes]

i can just draw a paralell to my ranger. He is a hybrid, and believe me. I cant beat shit 1 vs 1. I do however have a chance as duo trio ofc.
But lets say i wanna go out alone one night or cant find anyone to play with?
My chances would be either to add on an ongoing fight no matter how many in it. There is no other option. OR i may logg to be unselfish. Thing is many people sais its selfish. But its as easy saying the soloers are selfish to go to a place like crau bridge.
Especially when its easy taken care off to change place over irc or over other ways of comunication.
There is defenitly two sides to this coin...and its too bad not more people can see it

My rr6 is a hybrid, ml1 battlemaster, no fancy arti's beside's malice. Got no belt, and missing a ring aswell (used to be Twisted Hair and RotH in there but sold it!) Have no problems solo'ing with him though. It just depends where you go, which targets you pick and what you got up (which also goes for you opponent). If you pick a merc for a fight and start to shoot him, expect a rough fight, its what you asked for.
Anyways its besides the point, you'll loose fights and some things you just cant beat (like a sorc using rr5 and ml9'ing his pet). Doesnt mean your ranger cant kill anything with the spec you choose. Fatload add's on 1on1's and does it on purpose, he may aswell have rolled an arms with 50 crossbow.

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

Most ppl that has a hobby has it because of the challenge ? like ppl who fix cars its a challenge for them to get it to work? for most ppl in daoc its a challenge to kill others an stuff be that by solo, fg or zerg but just waiting for someone to enter combat so you can leech the rps an then run to the towers that just sad..

I play football to a decent level as a challenge, i play this game for fun and relaxation.

 

[Matmardigan]

First of all i dont see how fatloads guildm8ts are relevant and why you have to offend them by calling them randoms nor who they are have any relevance. That wasnt a good argument imo.
And a blow to ur own cause

Do u enjoy ur Grats threads?
there isnt any reason, u should get a grats thread for.

Tell that to my guildmates, rl friends and friends, they would disagree.

only point i agree with Fatload is, that i disagree with his Guildmates, rl friends and friends. And to point out with who i disagree, i named em.
Thats it.

About mature behaviours in game...lol also a bit of a funny argument. Who decides what kinda playstyle is more mature??
Is it more mature to abuse people for a playstyle? I wouldnt put any lable on any playstyle, none being any more mature then the other...its a game so i guess we all are quite imature in many peoples eyes^^
Its all ur own opinions and no one can change that...but in a discussion to try and understand one another i wouldnt say it brought many good arguments here to discuss^^

i just want a answer to a question i doesnt get, and i asked it several times.

 

[Shike]

funny how some people work.

put them into a corner with a perfectly logical way of reason and they just ignore it then... funny shit tbh.

 

[censi]

fatload is the nice guy fhl!

I dont by it though tbh. You take the line hey its just a game kind of thing, I kill opponents.

thats a perfectly fine line to take. Its the steoreotypical nice guy easy going mode. The thing is when I like asked you nicely the first time you added on opponents rather than just say, "Sorry mate, Im not into this not adding I kill all realm opponents (type thing).E Then I would say fair play. Instead you reply with like cry more newb (to be exact). Then I see like a NS fighting and inf and you do the same to him from the tower of the bridge tower and the NS asks you if you wouldnt mind not adding you like said QQ more newb. you stuck to mattz the champion for over and hour waiting for things to attack him so you could add on them even when he polietly (at first) asked you not too.

That isnt the nice guy image you try and portrey, this is someone that speeks fluent in lame leet (a lesser varient of pwn leet) and has no problem with the fact that he is making the game less enjoyable for other people on his own realm. so what you say here is nothing other than "nice guy irl" bullshit PR to be honest.

Also when you RVR you literally sit next to the tower at cruach about 300 units from the door shooting things at cruach. Absolutely nothing can touch you there, your in no danger even FG's aint gonna get to you before you get into the doors. Again this isnt this nice guy irl "its just a game" persona. Its someone that is so utterly fucking obsessed with not dying he wont even put his toon in a position where it can be attack, but where you can happily leech. what the fuck is that all about ffs. get your arse out on the battlefield and mix it up, if you dye brush down and go back.

Im trying to give you my view without being too rude or anything but I think you play this game in a real bad way and its this type of attitude which generally makes the game shitty.

I do though conceed the point that some people might think getting zergged down is the same or worse than getting adding on. I dont actually share that view on the grounds that all people will group up periodically but not all people add. One for me is part of the game, the other is part of being honorable and gaining and giving respect to good opponents.