PROOF of armsman v hero dmg.

[Novamir]

lol Karam

how me where you outdamaged me? you hit for less than a normal mage DD ! Your damage aint scary, and it's less than mine !

secondly, you have proved yourself without understanding of the way the game works. a firby with max spec spear, or a troll with max spec hammer will both have higher DPs per swing than you, because of their lower QUI. if you both used the same weapons they will do more damage per swing.

I find it quite funny that a polearms dude has to train polarms to full, AND another whole damage line to full in order to get the same as just one spec line for us.

max damage on firby spear hero (~650 dps cap) = 50 spear needed.
max damage on highlander polarms (~650 dps cap) = 50 polearms + 50 dmgtype

can you see the problem there ^_^

this allows heros to have 42 shield for slam, 45+ spec in either LW or spear, some minimal 1H weapon spec to get taunt, and 40+ parry. Instead poor mister ub3r armsman d3wd has to max out two spec lines where we have only one. I've yet to see a polearms with slam, which I believe is the only reason for having shield. I can't imagine RvR without slam O_O

about my specific damage, I have effectively gimped myself ;/ I didn't decide to go with a 2H weapon until level 43, so, my actual spec is 41 Blades, 43 shield, 39 spear, 27 parry. If we ever get a fookin respec I will lower blades to 39 and maybe change it to blunt, lower shield to 42, and put those spec points into spear to do some better damage. so matinex, cadwyr, other celts using spear will outdamage me because i dont have a good spec.

and btw don't flatter yourself, you're not annoying me, I enjoy showing you how you are wrong too much ;D

 

[Novamir]

ps take Lessurl's advice and wear some chain then you shall know fear I cap on level 48 minstrels =))

 

[old.chesnor]

Karam. Let me correct you. Tanks in this game are defined as damage TAKERS, not damage DEALERS. Therefore the best tank is probably a shield specced dwarf warrior (as the dwarf gets 80 base cons) with high dex who will block 3 opponents (in PvE) with a large shield like crazy AND can guard others.

Secondly, the argument about who hits hardest is futile. A fully specced CS Firbolg Hero will hit damn hard. So will a Highlander Polearmsman. But the variables involved in damage dealing are so complex and numerous they make my head spin. You cannot ever simplify it enough to say 'polearmsman hit hardest' or 'firby CS heros hit hardest'. It obviously depends on STR, spec, bonus to hit, armour penalties, buffs (or lack of), who buffed, res sickness, cons of opponent, af, abs% etc..etc..etc..You cannot ever level the playing field and do proper testing on this. You and Novamir could test it over 50 hits each, and determine that you hit harder than him. But thats not to sya a fully specced Firby CS hero will roll along (with specced STR) and whip your ass straight after.

To post 2 trivial screenshots showing 1 shot against you from Novamir, and 1 hit on him from you is naive and goes to show what a fool you are.

 

[Karam_gruul]

Firstly, as i've said on a number of occasions, i've never been hit for like 500 dmg in rvr before in my life (that includes from archers). So im highly dubious when you say celtic spears are the best weapons in the game.

And yes Novamir, you do sound 'pretttttty' gimped. At 50 i'll have 50 polearm, 50 slash, 30 parry (i think) and 10 shield (for engage/guard 2). Yea slam is fairly useful i suppose, but unless i wanted to completely and utterly gimp the crap outta myself i cant have it.

Maybe im not 'that' great at killing orange tanks. But one thing i am, is great at killing any caster. as i said its a 1 hit matter, even for lvl 50 casters. Slash polearms are evidently more for killing the weaker armour classes like leather users and cloth users, and they work wonderfully against them. I cant hit orange tanks for that much, for obvious reasons... such as they're orange .

At 50 we'll see, if i ever get to 50 not sure if i can be bothered lol.

And Matinex, the reason we havnt stolen any of your relics etc etc is as people have said before, your not a threat. we might have had a couple of attempts, but not half as many as we have on mids.

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by chesnor
Karam. Let me correct you. Tanks in this game are defined as damage TAKERS, not damage DEALERS. Therefore the best tank is probably a shield specced dwarf warrior (as the dwarf gets 80 base cons) with high dex who will block 3 opponents (in PvE) with a large shield like crazy AND can guard others.

Secondly, the argument about who hits hardest is futile. A fully specced CS Firbolg Hero will hit damn hard. So will a Highlander Polearmsman. But the variables involved in damage dealing are so complex and numerous they make my head spin. You cannot ever simplify it enough to say 'polearmsman hit hardest' or 'firby CS heros hit hardest'. It obviously depends on STR, spec, bonus to hit, armour penalties, buffs (or lack of), who buffed, res sickness, cons of opponent, af, abs% etc..etc..etc..You cannot ever level the playing field and do proper testing on this. You and Novamir could test it over 50 hits each, and determine that you hit harder than him. But thats not to sya a fully specced Firby CS hero will roll along (with specced STR) and whip your ass straight after.

Ok i'll go with that. Its all reaaaally random etc etc, i cant really be bothered to argue about this matter anymore (its a pretty unfair argument anywayz, as theres all of hibernia v... me).

Anyway, lets just say both classes do alorra dmg, and leave it at that

Now... lets move on to who's got the best archer class!

j/k

 

[Matinex]

Originally posted by Karam
And Matinex, the reason we havnt stolen any of your relics etc etc is as people have said before, your not a threat. we might have had a couple of attempts, but not half as many as we have on mids.

lol, was that all you had to say? I hope you agreed on everything else i said then.

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by Matinex


lol, was that all you had to say? I hope you agreed on everything else i said then.

huh?

 

[Matinex]

Originally posted by Karam


huh?

Huh? wtf u mean huh? read my post again, i asked you some questions and you only replied to 1 of them

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by Matinex
Dear Karam, its nothing new, we all know that we are the weakest realm.

But PLEASE answer these questions, how come we always beat the crap out of you ? How come you haven't got a single relic from us? how come you cant take crim without having ppl in the walls shooting us?

MOMMY HE STOLE MY POPSICLE

Mommy? popsicle? are we american now?

okay, as to your questions lol.

Q: how come we always beat the crap out of you ?
A: urr, who?

Q: How come you haven't got a single relic from us?
A: because hibernia isnt seen as a threat

Q: how come you cant take crim without having ppl in the walls shooting us?
A: probably the same reason you cant hold the alb wall without having people inside the walls shooting us

that better?

 

[c0ngo]

Originally posted by chesnor
Karam. Let me correct you. Tanks in this game are defined as damage TAKERS, not damage DEALERS. Therefore the best tank is probably a shield specced dwarf warrior (as the dwarf gets 80 base cons) with high dex who will block 3 opponents (in PvE) with a large shield like crazy AND can guard others.

And all that will stop me Smiting him will it ? Or from a real caster killing him ?

Or do you now define tanks ONLY as melee damage takers ?

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by C0ngo


And all that will stop me Smiting him will it ? Or from a real caster killing him ?

Or do you now define tanks ONLY as melee damage takers ?

True. well think about it, DAOC is the first online rpg where you can RVR. and in RVR tanks are required to deal as much damage as possible in the smallest amount of time possible. In rvr we arent damage takers atall, in rvr damage taking consists of getting nuked for 600 dmg by 40 casters. No one can take that much beating

 

[Matinex]

Originally posted by Karam


Mommy? popsicle? are we american now?

okay, as to your questions lol.

Q: how come we always beat the crap out of you ?
A: urr, who?

Q: How come you haven't got a single relic from us?
A: because hibernia isnt seen as a threat

Q: how come you cant take crim without having ppl in the walls shooting us?
A: probably the same reason you cant hold the alb wall without having people inside the walls shooting us

that better?

Q: urr, who?
A: Hibs, at mfg1 (albwall). I seen you 3 times, 2 times you ran, 1 time we killed you.

Q: How come you haven't got a single relic from us?
A: because hibernia isnt seen as a threat.

Next question to that, so you only take relics from those who are threats? lol, i thought taking a relic was 1 of the main reasons to rvr, but ok. What would you have done if mids were not a threat either? sit in your TK and picnic all day long? ROFL.

And the third one, whats the point with holding the wall ? and btw we dont have to cheat to be able to take a keep. And what u are saying here is that you get inside keep walls because some of hib players were into a mfg wall? does not make sense karam.

And no its still not better, because your answers does not make sense.

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by Matinex



Q: urr, who?
A: Hibs, at mfg1 (albwall). I seen you 3 times, 2 times you ran, 1 time we killed you.

Q: How come you haven't got a single relic from us?
A: because hibernia isnt seen as a threat.

Next question to that, so you only take relics from those who are threats? lol, i thought taking a relic was 1 of the main reasons to rvr, but ok. What would you have done if mids were not a threat either? sit in your TK and picnic all day long? ROFL.

And the third one, whats the point with holding the wall ? and btw we dont have to cheat to be able to take a keep. And what u are saying here is that you get inside keep walls because some of hib players were into a mfg wall? does not make sense karam.

And no its still not better, because your answers does not make sense.

urr ok, at mfg1... maybe i died because there were 30 hibs v me, and maybe i ran because there were 30 hibs v me?

and i dont know what we'd do if midgard wasnt a threat... the game would most likely be pretty dull.

and about the keeps... i dont even remember hibs taking a keep ever lol. maybe 1 or 2, but lol. oh and how many times have hibs captured relics from albs or mids? would you care to enlighten me? thought not

both albs and mids have had relics from each other before, Hibernia is the only realm that still hasnt captured a relic yet as far as i know lol.

 

[c0ngo]

Originally posted by Karam

both albs and mids have had relics from each other before, Hibernia is the only realm that still hasnt captured a relic yet as far as i know lol.

Don't think Hibbies have even bashed a Relic door down ffs.

So their tanks can't exactly hit that hard

 

[old.Hendrick]

This thread is soooo funny. All sounds like a teenager desperately trying to compare the size of his manhood (yes, the polearm obviously is a phallus-symbol here) and then not being able to cope with the result.

 

[old.Nol]

a side note...

"Q: how come you cant take crim without having ppl in the walls shooting us? "

Maybe you should take a look at some of the other threads, seems like hibs are not the only ones that live in walls, your moral high ground is about so high
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I will call you MASSIVE if it will stop your whinging, sheezuz, you're trying to spam people into submission. I'm frikking greater then you because I can type 20 000 posts about how uber my damage is.

 

[old.chesnor]

Congo, tanks are tanks. They are dmg takers. Clerics, zerkers, blademasters, mercs, etc..etc..are NOT tanks (although they can tank, just not very well). Tanks take and hold aggro, leaving the classes who forgo defense for offense to hit on without fear of dying quickly.

Tanks are characterised by high hits, high af and lots of defense. Tanking ability has nothing to do with how much dmg you can deal.

This is why (as Karam pointed out) real tanks suck in RvR. because RvR is ALL about dealing as much dmg as quickly as possible, and everyone however specced dies just far too quickly.

 

[c0ngo]

Originally posted by chesnor
Congo, tanks are tanks. They are dmg takers. Clerics, zerkers, blademasters, mercs, etc..etc..are NOT tanks (although they can tank, just not very well). Tanks take and hold aggro, leaving the classes who forgo defense for offense hit on...

Tanks are characterised by high hits, high af and lots of defense. Tanking ability has nothing to do with how much dmg you can deal.

True in PvE that's the way it works ur tanks hold the agro while the 'support ' classes keep them alive and do damage etc.

But in RvR damage output is what matters, the quicker you can take the 'support' classes out the better it is for you so the Tanks defense is much less important.

 

[-Wedge-]

I agree with Hendrick, this thread is SO funny.... LMAO... Keep it going....



And a small correction to Novamir, the damage cap is defined by Polearm, at level 50 in polearm we have (as you say) a damage cap of 650... Slash/Thrust/Crush does not change that cap, those only change the minimum damage we do with our big pointy stick

As for who does the most damage in the game, thats the casters... Hero's and Armsman are both 'weak' compared to them, and probably equal to each other...

And we can spec in a few area's too, I'm getting my shield up to 42 too... Just so I can stun your arses (48 Polearm, 42Shield, 40 Thrust, rest in parry)

The only way to really solve this 'issue' is a nice duel with equal leveled armsmen (or women) and hero's...

 

[Eleasias]

MY DAD IS BIGGER THAN YOURS KARAM!

 

[K0nah]

Hibs are more of a threat than Mids right now no question.
And we should take thier relics - both of em
I think Mids r powerleveling thier mezzer classes and will be back fighting the same lame tactics as the hibs.. Root/Paralyze/Debuff/Mezz/Nuke/Nuke/Nuke bullshit. And if thats the way it goes.. I'm off.
Yeh Hib tanks 0wnZ0R!! (cos 95% of what they "fight" is paralyzed/rooted/mezzd)

 

[Eleasias]

While Albion still refuses to group those sorcs, or people are stupid enough not to play them? Hardly the other realms fault if they know what's needed on the battlefield while you dont grp that sorc and later on whine about mez

 

[Karam_gruul]

Originally posted by Eleasias
MY DAD IS BIGGER THAN YOURS KARAM!

<cries>

 

[tilde]

Originally posted by Eleasias
While Albion still refuses to group those sorcs, or people are stupid enough not to play them? Hardly the other realms fault if they know what's needed on the battlefield while you dont grp that sorc and later on whine about mez

Yep, its a bitch, ive rolled a sorc on morgan la fay recenetly coz it is a really nasty class We sure lack of them in Emain atm, got Veeshan but 1 messer in emain isnt enough :/

Got 3 50's sorcs me thinks, Stt, Tinaydien and Veeshan - cant come up with any1 else but i DO see a HUGE diffirence when we go CC to put up against both hibs and mids, its much easier. So, lets hope that more ppl rolls a sorcs :>

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

HB got fatsy but thats the only 4 i really know of

 

[-Wedge-]

You also have AFun, not 50 yet... Probably because he/she's mostly in Yggdra cleaning up those lowbies

Our 'guild sorc' recently turned 26 or 27... Dunno, but he's almost ready for Pygmy goblins, after which he should level quickly to 40+...

But wait a minute, wasn't this a 'my polearm is longer then yours' thread?

 

[old.Nol]

polearms are penis extensions...real men strum lutes

 

[old.darkelf]

Originally posted by Nol
polearms are penis extensions...real men strum lutes

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by Karam
Firstly, as i've said on a number of occasions, i've never been hit for like 500 dmg in rvr before in my life (that includes from archers). So im highly dubious when you say celtic spears are the best weapons in the game.

Then you havent been critted by a mage speced 100% in his best dd line.

A 50 darkness runemaster with a max crit can effectively do about 800+ damagae on a lvl 50 opponent without darkness resist.

I can honestly say that you will be really peed off when i get to 50 and stun you for 9 seconds and then kill you 2 seconds after it runs out, or if im fully buffed, BEFORE it runs out.

 

[Israfael]

Originally posted by Nol
polearms are penis extensions...real men strum lutes

Or beat drums Lutes are for pansies