Private Galla raids cant Claim Galla

[old.Kerosene]

Maq-Attack hit the nail on the head.

There is no easy answer as far as I can tell and this argument will go on in circles until such point Mythic decides the respawns timers in Galla is A Bad Idea. I don't understand why they made the dungeon different to any other where the respawn is based per mob, rather than per raid. If they were concerned about pops ruining raids then surely they should tone down the lead-in mobs?

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
, but I'm puzzled by these small pockets of support. I was not aware people would line behind someone with their support to attempt to raise a standard, which overall, would hurt the realm more than benefit it, simply because they have a general dislike of all people and things that are more self-sufficient and better at some facets of the game than others.

Hehe...
You really fun to read.

You really cant c what you saying here dont you

And you claim you are the better person
It must b fun to hear for all the disagreeing with you that they are lesser beings

It explains why you left so many guilds and why peeps glad you did

Must b hard to b so L33t and peeps dont give you the credit for it


Tzee wrote
"I'm aware you are as much anti-rvr-guild (or anti-'elite') as Llix and Eneq,"

Hmm im in Dark Order. What kind of guild do you think that is ?
I think even with your twisted logic you would say its a RvR guild

 

[azshara2]

Originally posted by eneq
Tzee wrote
"I'm aware you are as much anti-rvr-guild (or anti-'elite') as Llix and Eneq,"

Hmm im in Dark Order. What kind of guild do you think that is ?
I think even with your twisted logic you would say its a RvR guild

but, do u rvr?

 

[Ravenbourne]

Surely in any community the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, everyone knows there are large scale raids on a weekend so to keep the piece why not just do it in the week when there is rarely a large raid. If it wasnt for people like Xfear and saadyst who give up their time, we wouldnt have these large scale raids and epic encounters. Would the Dragon of been killed so many times if saadyst hadnt kept trying at it? We certainly wouldnt of killed off the FE if xfear hadnt planned and led a raid down there.
I havent had much dealings with Saadyst but the times i have spoken to him i have found him approachable and fair. Sometimes i think people just see the <insert RvR Guild name here> and think oh they are to elite to talk to me, i hate them.
My guild and I were lucky enough to be included on one of Saadyst's Galla raids, we killed all bosses except aroon, who was bugged. We killed fire/air/wind and one of the menders, this was with 40ish people.
People play this game for different reasons, i personaly like to test myself, going solo against high level mobs, small raids to epic areas, solo RvR'ing. Some people are in it for everything they can get, they want to shout, look at me, look at me, I can press focus shield and wtfpwn these mobs in galla. People whined when Saadyst wanted a respec stone from one of the raids, sorry to bring it up again but the point is people like him take time and energy in planning and coordinating large raids/events for little or no personal gain, they do it because its a challenge and will benefit the realm.
Some people are in it for several reasons, i think Saadyst wants to play to a high level of skill and does. Its nice to be part of a raid where everyone is doing what they are supposed to do and not afk or simply not listening. Rambleing now but you get my point.
Eneq, why be so obtuse on the subject, have some thought for you fellow realm "mates" and respect their wishes to test themselves and their friends, dont go out of your way to spoil things.
When focus feels the nerf bat enchanters will be next to useless in Galla so i wouldnt take it to far as you wont be invited on large raids if you do.
In a community that is left to govern ourselves it is up to us to play fairly and cooperate with others or we would have anarchy and nobody would enjoy playing.

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by angara-ffs
lol Ghaldir

i fucking send Ensceptificamuralya if you don't edit that post untill tomorrow!!

 

[rg-zorena]

Tze too elite for me.

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by azshara2
but, do u rvr?

hehe. Prolly got more RP points then the average Joe do but no i dont RvR

Is this the same Sargeras that whined and whined about PL to me ?

That didnt even could do the simple steps on his Epic ? But demanded we come and help you find everything ?

Or did he sell his acc ?

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by Ravenbourne

When focus feels the nerf bat enchanters will be next to useless in Galla so i wouldnt take it to far as you wont be invited on large raids if you do.

I dont want to b in any raids tbh. They dull and boring..

And i play a lvl 50 Eld Voidy also But dont want to reveal his name cause he can get into private raids anytime

I will welcome they day Chanters focus is nerfed. Think its to powerful and making ordinary xp-groups obsolote.

Just hope i have got all my chars to 50 b then

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by Ravenbourne
Surely in any community the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few.

hmm you know what you saying contradicts the democratic values dont you ?

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by eneq
Hehe...
You really fun to read.

You really cant c what you saying here dont you

And you claim you are the better person
It must b fun to hear for all the disagreeing with you that they are lesser beings

It explains why you left so many guilds and why peeps glad you did

Must b hard to b so L33t and peeps dont give you the credit for it


Tzee wrote
"I'm aware you are as much anti-rvr-guild (or anti-'elite') as Llix and Eneq,"

Hmm im in Dark Order. What kind of guild do you think that is ?
I think even with your twisted logic you would say its a RvR guild

Well done on not even addressing some of the most important points of my last post, and instead, responding with some half-truths and rumours, which, like most, are false.

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
Well done on not even addressing some of the most important points of my last post, and instead, responding with some half-truths and rumours, which, like most, are false.

tzee tzee...
WE have been arguing for 9 pages ffs.
And you make another post saying same thing.
I cant really bother to reply when you not saying anything new.
When you are saying something new i will and have replied to that.

You think making private Raids benefits the realm.
I say they dont. Make them FFA and they do.
Making them private are opposit to benefit the realm. IMHO.


But whats really funny is that you think people that dont think like you are "enemies of hibernia state"
And you are Hibernias true hero

Tzee wrote
"simply because they have a general dislike of all people and things that are more self-sufficient and better at some facets of the game than others."

You really think its all down to hatred And you claim we hate you cause you are better then us

hehe You really are out of the stadium sometimes

You really must b a nietzhe fan

 

[rose]

Please for the love of god someone close this thread

Saadyst and Eneq please agree to disagree

Its obvious to me and any1 reading this thread you two are not going to come to a mutual conclusion here. I think you should kiss and make up . Ok probably not going to happen but heck was worth a try.

My 10peneth.

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by Lessurl
You know, posts like this do your credibility no good either. Purposefully misspelling/saying someones name because you think/know it annoys them is something 12 year old kids do in the playground.

Well if you followed mine and EnscBlaBla history of flaming eachother. You would understand

If you read my posts you must sincerely say i cant really flam anyone else casue they type bad
Cause i do it everytime.
But when i do EnsceBlaBla pointing that out to me

And cause she do, i i misspell sometimes so she get annoyed

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
Ok, fine, but his point is invalid. His entire argument falls into the logic that we should all not care about the realm and other people. I care far more for this realm/server than a person really should, and people like him dont realise that. What he proposes is madness, a free for all with no rules, because at the end, there are incredibly few rules, to govern a community, from the official end of things (GOA).. we're meant to be governing ourselves, and his viewpoint is one that is more anarchistic than one that is more beneficial to the realm. I'd go as far as to say that he has a very short sighted view of this entire issue, and if followed through, this would set a bad precedent for Hib/Exc. I'm prepared to not let that happen, and fortunately, I do know that Eneq is more talk than actual action, but I'm puzzled by these small pockets of support. I was not aware people would line behind someone with their support to attempt to raise a standard, which overall, would hurt the realm more than benefit it, simply because they have a general dislike of all people and things that are more self-sufficient and better at some facets of the game than others.

Originally posted by eneq
Hehe...
You really fun to read.

You really cant c what you saying here dont you

And you claim you are the better person
It must b fun to hear for all the disagreeing with you that they are lesser beings

It explains why you left so many guilds and why peeps glad you did

Must b hard to b so L33t and peeps dont give you the credit for it


Tzee wrote
"I'm aware you are as much anti-rvr-guild (or anti-'elite') as Llix and Eneq,"

Hmm im in Dark Order. What kind of guild do you think that is ?
I think even with your twisted logic you would say its a RvR guild

Originally posted by eneq
tzee tzee...
WE have been arguing for 9 pages ffs.
And you make another post saying same thing.
I cant really bother to reply when you not saying anything new.
When you are saying something new i will and have replied to that.

You think making private Raids benefits the realm.
I say they dont. Make them FFA and they do.
Making them private are opposit to benefit the realm. IMHO.


But whats really funny is that you think people that dont think like you are "enemies of hibernia state"
And you are Hibernias true hero

Tzee wrote
"simply because they have a general dislike of all people and things that are more self-sufficient and better at some facets of the game than others."

You really think its all down to hatred And you claim we hate you cause you are better then us

hehe You really are out of the stadium sometimes

You really must b a nietzhe fan

You've barely begun to touch upon my last post, you refer to events and situations that have no impact nor bearing on this discussion at all.

When you can respond to that post fully, I'll reply to you, until then, you're incapable of being able to discuss.

 

[rose]

hehe guess my suggestion didnt work

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by rose
Please for the love of god someone close this thread

Saadyst and Eneq please agree to disagree

Its obvious to me and any1 reading this thread you two are not going to come to a mutual conclusion here. I think you should kiss and make up . Ok probably not going to happen but heck was worth a try.

My 10peneth.

Aye

I dont think me and tzee will ever c the same on this thing.

I dont mind really.
We all individuals with different ethics and background.
He thinks he has right and i think i have right.

I will just reply to what other posts and have done so last couple of pages

 

[rose]

Guess my suggestion didnt work

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by rose
hehe guess my suggestion didnt work

TBH you posted when i was typing

 

[jaapi]

Originally posted by Ravenbourne
Surely in any community the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few...

Naturally that is true, but who is to decide what is good for the many? Usually it is the few that make these decisions without even asking from the rest.

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
You've barely begun to touch upon my last post, you refer to events and situations that have no impact nor bearing on this discussion at all.

When you can respond to that post fully, I'll reply to you, until then, you're incapable of being able to discuss.

Oki last time i answer this issue casue i really want to c what you saying about the question i raised in the last posts.

tzee Wrote
"Ok, fine, but his point is invalid. His entire argument falls into the logic that we should all not care about the realm and other people."

Yes i do. Ill respect all FFA raids that will enter Galla.
I wont private raids cause i think they arnt good for the realm on many ways.

1 Way that Xfear noticed last raid was that many Eld Voides/Animist already had been in Galla the day prior to a FFA and didnt want to b in Galla for another 5-6 hour raid.

And that just 1 Exampel.

Tzee Wrote
"What he proposes is madness, a free for all with no rules, because at the end, there are incredibly few rules, to govern a community, from the official end of things (GOA).. we're meant to be governing ourselves"

Who sad it was no rules ?
Didnt i say i will respect the FFA raids ?
Yes we are meant to govern ourselfs.
What you trying to do in forcing your ways upon the rest.

You say 1 thing. We say we dont think thats right. We want FFA raids.
You then say we are wrong. That isnt governing ourselfs.
Fine do Raids in Galla. Do them FFA and you have np. You prolly weont have NP if you do private raids either. But if i would have pulled that day i will. Make the raid FFA and you get the fun of Galla without problems.´

So i have answered your post once again plz answer me this

"Tzee wrote
"simply because they have a general dislike of all people and things that are more self-sufficient and better at some facets of the game than others."

You really think its all down to hatred And you claim we hate you cause you are better then us

hehe You really are out of the stadium sometimes "

 

[old.Garax]

Why should Tzee do a FFA raid and get the headaches thats associated with them, when he can take a organised group of people in and get the job done with less stress. Just because you say that a private raid isn't for the good of the realm?

When you are happy that a focus puller is on the same level as a private raid, so therefore it doesnt matter if you pull any mobs before hand to mess up the re-pop timer. It boggles my mind how you can distinguish between a FFA and a private raid, when it comes down to personal preference from the raid leader and wether or not they want to put up with afk's etc.

All "raids" (FFA or private) are for the good of the realm and not for personal gain, unlike focus pulling. So please drop this high and mighty routine.

I know you have said that it shouldnt normally be a problem, as focus pulling isnt something that you normally do. But please have some respect for your realm mates. Any raid that enters Galla deserves the same rights to have a crack at the FE without the whole dungeon repopping and wiping the raid out, just because 1 or 2 people were insistant on focus pulling a few hours earlier for personal gain.

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by old.Garax
It boggles my mind how you can distinguish between a FFA and a private raid, when it comes down to personal preference from the raid leader and wether or not they want to put up with afk's etc.

Cause if its private you FORBIDDING people to enter or have fun in galla for ,,,,,,,24 hours....(try that you mathematic brains out there)
A FFA dont.....

HUGE diff imho.

btw thats just 1 reason.

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by old.Garax


All "raids" (FFA or private) are for the good of the realm and not for personal gain, unlike focus pulling. So please drop this high and mighty routine.

I know you have said that it shouldnt normally be a problem, as focus pulling isnt something that you normally do. But please have some respect for your realm mates. Any raid that enters Galla deserves the same rights to have a crack at the FE without the whole dungeon repopping and wiping the raid out, just because 1 or 2 people were insistant on focus pulling a few hours earlier for personal gain.

You just sound bitter about focus pulling.

A focus pull group or a small private raid, same thing. Why does the method of pulling make any difference? Focus pulling isnt inherantly 'dangerous'. I focus pull in galla often and have never 'messed up' the dungeon or whatever...

So theres a 12 hour repop after first mob is killed, big deal. This only really affects people who are going for the Final encounter as a pop at anytime is just about as hazadous as a pop in a dungeon anywhere. If your silly/unlucky enough to get wiped by it then release and come back, only a 5 min walk from necht and youll have all the easy bosses repopped ready to farm again.

 

[old.Garax]

But if there was a FFA raid occuring you would have stayed away anyway, as you have said many times you dislike raids. So your just being awkward. That is wrong imo as your applying different rules to different types of raids just down to your view of whats good for the realm or not.

 

[old.Garax]

Originally posted by boni_ofdavoid
You just sound bitter about focus pulling.

A focus pull group or a small private raid, same thing. Why does the method of pulling make any difference? Focus pulling isnt inherantly 'dangerous'. I focus pull in galla often and have never 'messed up' the dungeon or whatever...

So theres a 12 hour repop after first mob is killed, big deal. This only really affects people who are going for the Final encounter as a pop at anytime is just about as hazadous as a pop in a dungeon anywhere. If your silly/unlucky enough to get wiped by it then release and come back, only a 5 min walk from necht and youll have all the easy bosses repopped ready to farm again.

Focus pulling is over powered and allows people to accomplish things they would otherwise not have a snowballs chance in hell in achieveing (i'm pretty sure mythic didnt put focus shield into the game so 1 person with a buffbot could go and kill lvl 80 mobs).

The point i was tryin to make was that ANY raid attempting the FE should be afforded the same rights. Just because the raid is invite only doesn't make the raid more or less important than a FFA raid.

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Free for all are good because of just that, they are free for all to enter. A lot of hassle for whoever sets them up, and I can see why people would rather run private raids or focus pull. But anyone who runs a free for all raid is alowing any one in the realm regardless of class/rr/guild to get a chance however slim to get these drops, can you not see the fairness in an all invite raid and the difference between that and any other raid which only serves a couple of guilds or classes or specs?

Now heres something to think about...

I have been on 10+XFear raids, during which time I have nuked probably 100 odd bosses, thats around 300 drops farmed of which I havent lotted for one. Why? Because I have farmed all the minor drops with my chanter or traded for them with other focus pullers / private raids. Indirectly my focus pulling has benefited anyone who wanted to come to these raids as there are more drops for those without chanters / void mages..

Without focus pulling there would be half the galla items in circulation that there are. I agree that its overpowered, but thats something as a realm we should be thankful for and use while we can, espcially considering that the other realms have a far easier time farming their epic drops.

 

[jaapi]

Originally posted by old.Garax
But if there was a FFA raid occuring you would have stayed away anyway, as you have said many times you dislike raids. So your just being awkward. That is wrong imo as your applying different rules to different types of raids just down to your view of whats good for the realm or not.

Omg, this post has got to be a new low here.

A tip: if you're trying to disagree with someone, try not to make yourself to look like a jackass.

 

[old.Garax]

Originally posted by jaapi
Omg, this post has got to be a new low here.

A tip: if you're trying to disagree with someone, try not to make yourself to look like a jackass.

And that would be because?

Ene said that he would stay away from galla for FFA raids, but he wouldnt put his plans on hold for a private raid (and by that i mean a invite only raid that was planning on tryin the FE). He also stated that he doesn't like galla raids. Both raids are going there to accomplish the same thing, so whats the difference?

If my guild group wanted to go to galla and focus pull, but a ffa/private raid had been announced on BW, I can assure you that we would stay away as we wouldnt want to be responsible for fuckin up the respawn timer for the raid.

And i have no clue how my last post made me sound like a jackass, i'm just guessing you havent read the entire thread.

 

[eneq]

Garax
FFA is a all can come raid and thus not stopping someone to enter Galla for 24 hours..

A private raid "claiming" Galla forbidds people to enter galla under 24 hours basically.

C the diff ?

PRivate-Forbidding people to go Galla under a whole day
FFA-Inviting all to join the raid in Galla

Huge diff imho.

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by old.Garax
And i have no clue how my last post made me sound like a jackass, i'm just guessing you havent read the entire thread.

im guessing he refering also to the other thread about Galla.
Where guildmembers of you trying to mock me
TBH i would never ever post under such thread
Dont know if you have casue im not reading it

The funny part is that the threadmaker tzee claim i have ´no decency and respect for fellow people, but i guess making a thread like that makes him show his true colours