Private Galla raids cant Claim Galla

[eneq]

Originally posted by Sichama

One persons right's stop there that another persons right's start, so in this situation the focus pullers should probably step aside for the private raids and the private raids should step aside for free raids, and as i understand this is how it was and is, most of the time at least.

Nice post really.

I dont agree with you on some notes but i have prolly posted them earlier.
1 is this qoute i taken from you.

Why do you say private raids have more right then focus ?
Why do private raids grade higher then focus ?
Is it cause they are more peeps ?

 

[old.Garax]

Surely it's not about who has the greatest "right" as such, but more to do with if someone has gone to the trouble to get a few teams of people together to enter galla and clear the dungeon including the final encounter (be it FFA or Private) then the people who focus pull should afford that planned raid some decency and not mess up the mob respawn timer. It's not down to "claiming" the dungeon, but it's just making people aware that on a certain day they will be doing the raid.

And Eneg it's not because private raid have more people, it's because they are attempting the FE and as you know make or break can be the time when the dungeon refills. As a focus puller you dont require anything other than gettin your team together and getting on with it.

As i said earlier I guess it's all down to respect for other players though.

 

[Maq-attack]

Originally posted by angara-ffs
Think you better of with not trying

Ok, I'll try that.

oh............. wait ............ dammit I can't even try not to try because I try to not try and so I am trying all over again.

How do you manage to be unfunny without trying angara?

 

[Demolay]

this thread is goin round in circles more than me stoned cat ....any1 care to close it?

In the end lets face it -

a) hurry up and nerf focus pullin so we can get back to playing in grps again

b) change the repop timer

either way we all in the same realm does it really matter that much?

We all got arseholes we all got opinions its a forum what's the point in arguing nothing is changing que sera sera

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by old.Garax


And Eneg it's not because private raid have more people, it's because they are attempting the FE and as you know make or break can be the time when the dungeon refills. As a focus puller you dont require anything other than gettin your team together and getting on with it.

Oki now we come somewhere
But if we follow your logic then its ok to focuspull then.
WEll if im killing some bosses and mobs in Galla then you will more easily kill FE if you do it before dungeons repops


Also its like this m8. Last 5 wekends Galla been "booked" (you say claim is wrong word) and i have a family with 2 kids and a 3 on the way.
And in DO we always try to make GG at 21.00. Thats approx when kids asleep.
So basically i can only pull at weekends..
And as i told you before...its been "booked" 5 weeks running and with CF this weekend its 6 weeks..

But if its true as you say its only the FE (and i dont think i can manage to focuspull that bad boy) i can pull minor mobs and bosses then and tbh thats all i ever wanted.

Nice we manage to solve this
But ill guess it wont b enough im afraid.Someone will prolly say i even cant pull minor boss and mobs

 

[Maq-attack]

Agreed, if a group focus pull minor boss mobs then that will aid the trip to FE. Getting Galla emptied quicker hence less chance of re-pop whilst facing FE.

 

[angara-ffs]

Originally posted by Maq-attack
Ok, I'll try that.

oh............. wait ............ dammit I can't even try not to try because I try to not try and so I am trying all over again.

How do you manage to be unfunny without trying angara?

Dont be funny, its very simple...as a mather of fact, you just passed the exam.

 

[Freppe^^]

ang, u should redo ur sig tbh

 

[old.Jable]

this thread must die.

 

[Maq-attack]

Originally posted by angara-ffs
Dont be funny, its very simple...as a mather of fact, you just passed the exam.

But I had to try, and that was the point was it not??

 

[angara-ffs]

Originally posted by Freppe^^
ang, u should redo ur sig tbh

Explain?
Whats wrong with it!?1

 

[Ensceptifica]

Someone plans a private raid. He asks some people to come and bring a fg/gg to make it all go well and organised.

Someone plans a ffa raid. He asks people to come and tries to make it go well with whoever shows up. The result is usually a more tedious raid with more frustations, but anyone can join as he pleases.

Someone plans to focuspull. He goes to Galla and messes up the repop timer, so that no ffa/private raids can take place. The individual ruins it for the group.

Now that individual might want to consider finding out when raids are taking place. Eneq chooses to ignore private raids. His logic seems to be that both focuspulling and ffa raiding makes it possible for anyone to be in Galla whenever they want, while a private raid does not. I'm not sure that's his logic, because Eneq is extremely bad at explaining things. There's something to say for that reasoning, but I do not agree. Focuspulling means a group can't do a raid, thereby barring people in such a group from Galla. The only way for them to enter if sticking to Eneq's principles, is by either focuspulling or doing a FFA raid. But lots of people do not come to Galla to focuspull or suffer the downsides of a FFA raid; they come to organise something with some likeminded people. By Eneq's reasoning, they have no right to do that.

Eneq dislikes private raids barring focuspullers from Galla. But he doesn't dislike focuspullers barring people on private raids from Galla. That's a double standard.

An obvious solution would be to try and communicate with eachother and sort something out, but Eneq has clearly indicated he's going to ignore people.

The reason I've flamed Eneq is that he's repeatedly failed to make a point, and the way he's gone about dealing with that. He ignores people pointing it out and instead says they're wrong, dumb, use too many words, etc. Any excuse will do to just not have to say "sorry, I'm not good at expressing myself, let me try and put it in different words," or "sorry, some of my reasoning didn't quite hold up, but I feel my statement still stands, let me rethink my argumentation." Not just in this thread, but in every discussion he starts.

Had this been Eneq's first thread, I'd have cut him some slack, but he always does this. If anyone reads between the lines the insinuations he puts there, he'll just say he never said it. If anyone confronts him with what he said without reading between the lines, he'll say people read it wrong. There's no discussing with someone who does that. Add to that his obvious and obnoxious assumption that he's smart -naming some random filosophers' names to support that-, which leads to him assuming that anyone disagreeing with him is misunderstanding him because they can't grasp what he writes. Add to that the cowardly replies he gives (saying they use too many words, or just trying to meta-discuss to avoid the actual content) when they give him a response that invalidates his arguments.

That is why however useful the topic might seem, Eneq has been flamed to oblivion and beyond. Sometimes with arguments, sometimes just with personal attacks. Eneq, if you can't accept someone might have a more sound reasoning for an opposing viewpoint, then don't bring yours up. You're entitled to your opinion even if you can't defend it properly, but give others the respect and recognition they deserve for promoting theirs.

 

[eneq]

EnsceBlaBLa lets do this simple.
You say i have no point but it seems many agree with me.

Ill do this simple.

"But lots of people do not come to Galla to focuspull or suffer the downsides of a FFA raid; they come to organise something with some likeminded people. By Eneq's reasoning, they have no right to do that."

OFC they can go to Galla and raid. ITs there right to do so.
BUT they dont have the right to tell me to piss off from Galla for 24 hours.
If i focuspull in galla everyone can come in and pull mobs or do FE if they like. I wont tell em to sod off.

You must b incredibly onesighted if you havent got that from earrlier posts..But guess you are.


"Now that individual might want to consider finding out when raids are taking place. Eneq chooses to ignore private raids. His logic seems to be that both focuspulling and ffa raiding makes it possible for anyone to be in Galla whenever they want, while a private raid does not. I'm not sure that's his logic, because Eneq is extremely bad at explaining things. There's something to say for that reasoning, but I do not agree."

Yes you are totally right. Thats my meaning.
Ofc you dont agree. But thats np. Its your right.



"Eneq dislikes private raids barring focuspullers from Galla. But he doesn't dislike focuspullers barring people on private raids from Galla. That's a double standard."

Yes it would b IF i said they couldnt enter Galla wich i dont.
I dont have the right to do so therefore i wont.



This last qoute is really amusing....
"Eneq, if you can't accept someone might have a more sound reasoning for an opposing viewpoint, then don't bring yours up. You're entitled to your opinion even if you can't defend it properly, but give others the respect and recognition they deserve for promoting theirs."

Its really funny casue if you read the first posts you notice that they ones agreeing with me says so and tell there opinions for doing so. But if you read them saying they dont do..Íts all VNG + its no discussing no nothing,, Its (as you say) personal attacks and threats and whatever ......

And even an old Friend to you and wich you respect (zarko ? or im wrong there ?) tells you that you really should rethink what you doing.
You even agree you not on this thread cause you really have a opinion you just in here to prove me wrong. Wich you cant do cause you dont see this objective really. You so full of hatred and other shit you really cant c straight.
Im really sorry for my part in making you such angry and hatefule.
I will stop my Enscblabla qouting.


This thread was about to die until you come back. And i have replied to wich things you was wondering about and replied.
So if you dont have any new things to bring up lets keep this thread closed.

If no replies within this weekend ill close the thread.

 

[Ravenbourne]

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[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by eneq
Yes it would b IF i said they couldnt enter Galla wich i dont.
I dont have the right to do so therefore i wont.

They can enter, but they can't do the raid, because focuspullig will ruin the repoptimers. Therefore, you deny them Galla. You deny people the choice of how to play this game. You don't even have the courtesy to talk to them about it, as you choose to ignore them, while others announce their plans so everybody can take them into consideration. You can put it in other words but that's still what it means.

Its really funny casue if you read the first posts you notice that they ones agreeing with me says so and tell there opinions for doing so. But if you read them saying they dont do..Íts all VNG + its no discussing no nothing,, Its (as you say) personal attacks and threats and whatever ......

Plenty of people have tried to oppose your viewpoint, as far as your viewpoint could be distilled from your posts. The people agreeing with you agree with some idealistic things you say. But really nobody so far has agreed with the actual thing you stand for, because you twist and turn and stress things that aren't really the issue to avoid people from seeing what actually is. Most of the people that have posted personal attacks are just on to you.

And even an old Friend to you and wich you respect (zarko ? or im wrong there ?) tells you that you really should rethink what you doing.

I've played with Zarko a few times, I think he's ok. No more, no less. What I think of him doesn't affect whether or not I agree with him, nor with you. I would have a double standard if it did.

You even agree you not on this thread cause you really have a opinion you just in here to prove me wrong. Wich you cant do cause you dont see this objective really. You so full of hatred and other shit you really cant c straight.

I've given my opinion on the topic already. The reason I've aimed at you more than at the topic is because you've proven enough that discussing any topic with you ends in an endless monologue by you denying everything until people give up trying to get through to you and you think you're right again. I think you're full of yourself and you have so far not been able to see anything objective. You need a lesson to stop you from trolling these boards. I've tried that through personal message, now I'm doing it on the public forum.

 

[old.Zuljin]

Also its like this m8. Last 5 wekends Galla been "booked" (you say claim is wrong word) and i have a family with 2 kids and a 3 on the way.

how teh feck do you have time to play DAoC then ?

anyway...

I think you're full of yourself and you have so far not been able to see anything objective. You need a lesson to stop you from trolling these boards. I've tried that through personal message, now I'm doing it on the public forum.

agree !

i can't belive how anyone can say the same thing over and over agian by useing diffrent words, but its proven to me now.. this is post nr 315 or something, and people have tryed to end this post quite a few times, but you ( eneq ) cant seem to understand that.'

now let this post be the last please. we have understood what you ment, and have disagreed with you. thats it.

 

[Ravenbourne]

Hi I just washed my car and now i am high off polish :sleeping:

 

[old.Zuljin]

Nice! always good with a nice, clean, shiny car!

 

[Maq-attack]

Originally posted by Ensceptifica
They can enter, but they can't do the raid, because focuspullig will ruin the repoptimers. Therefore, you deny them Galla. You deny people the choice of how to play this game. You don't even have the courtesy to talk to them about it, as you choose to ignore them, while others announce their plans so everybody can take them into consideration. You can put it in other words but that's still what it means.

If they enter Galla at a similar time, maybe an hour or two each way..... how on earth will this mess up the repop timer?? If they're in at the same time, surely they're running on the same repop timer??

I think you're assuming that focus pullers will go in at the crack of dawn and any private raidiers will go in the afternoon/evening.

Never assume, it makes an ASS of U and ME

 

[jaapi]

Originally posted by Ensceptifica
They can enter, but they can't do the raid, because focuspullig will ruin the repoptimers. Therefore, you deny them Galla. You deny people the choice of how to play this game.

And other way around it would do the same, just for different people, so what was the point?

If i kill a water beetle that someone else wanted to kill, i deny the choice of how he wanted to play the game?

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by old.Zuljin
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now let this post be the last please. we have understood what you ment, and have disagreed with you. thats it. [/B]

Well if you read you notice im just replying really. But then again you maybe dont...

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by Ensceptifica
They can enter, but they can't do the raid, because focuspullig will ruin the repoptimers. Therefore, you deny them Galla. You deny people the choice of how to play this game

Hmm this is my argument but seems you dont c both sides..
Focuspulling DONT ruin Raids.
If you Focuspull within 12 hour and there is np.

But then again you so blind you only see your side that you right all the times..
And TBH you dont c the link to Freud ??

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by old.Zuljin
how teh feck do you have time to play DAoC then ?

anyway...



agree !

i can't belive how anyone can say the same thing over and over agian by useing diffrent words, but its proven to me now.. this is post nr 315 or something, and people have tryed to end this post quite a few times, but you ( eneq ) cant seem to understand that.'

now let this post be the last please. we have understood what you ment, and have disagreed with you. thats it.

Just because your parents had to work off the clock so you didnt do stupid things (i can c that you not living home atm), Dont mean all the kids are fecked up like you are..


Im replying to what are posting here.And if someone brings up new stuff i reply.
Especially if they post stupid things.

 

[<Harle>]

Originally posted by Maq-attack


Never assume, it makes an ASS of U and ME

I'm sorry, but that is one of the most moronic cliche's ever made. The entire basis of our civilisation and of our thought patterns is assumption. The whole thought process is based upon generalisation which by it's very nature requires assumptions to be made. Logic in all it's apparent glory is based upon a set of assumptions, all scientific work has at it's root a set of assumptions, all communication is based upon an assumption that the person you are communicating with has the same understanding of the words that you are trying to convey.

 

[eneq]

Originally posted by <Harle>
I'm sorry, but that is one of the most moronic cliche's ever made. The entire basis of our civilisation and of our thought patterns is assumption. The whole thought process is based upon generalisation which by it's very nature requires assumptions to be made. Logic in all it's apparent glory is based upon a set of assumptions, all scientific work has at it's root a set of assumptions, all communication is based upon an assumption that the person you are communicating with has the same understanding of the words that you are trying to convey.

Correct me if im wrong here.
You thinks its ok that i assume you being a moron that been stealing cars all you life and atm are in jail for bottleneck haressment ?



What you talking about is something different imho.
Like this.

You drop a stone. Its falls to the ground.
Why ?
Well lets assume its something that pulling it down.
If that assumption its true it should do likewise if i dropped a car.
Lets try we drop a car, Yes its fell down. Our assumption was right.

Basically you first must have a action before you can assume anything really.
You just cant go out and assume anything from start...
OR ??

Its therefore its ok to say
"Never assume, it makes an ASS of U and ME"
when theres been no action to assume upon

But then again its all IMHO so ...prolly get flamed from right to left adn up and down adn the whole year.
But nice post adn hopefully nice discussion

 

[Maq-attack]

Originally posted by <Harle>
I'm sorry, but that is one of the most moronic cliche's ever made. The entire basis of our civilisation and of our thought patterns is assumption. The whole thought process is based upon generalisation which by it's very nature requires assumptions to be made. Logic in all it's apparent glory is based upon a set of assumptions, all scientific work has at it's root a set of assumptions, all communication is based upon an assumption that the person you are communicating with has the same understanding of the words that you are trying to convey.

Scientist don't assume, they create a hypothesis about what they think is going to happen based on previous experiments and information gathered. Totally different to assuming I'm affraid. If you told a scientist that he assumes things he/she would poke you in the eye. (My hypothesis)

As for the communication part, we either know they will understand due to past experience or, indeed, we assume..... and if they have no idea what you said, does that not make you feel like an ass?? I know the first time I spoke to a deaf colleague of mine (without knowing she was deaf) I certainly felt like an ass when she didn't have a clue what i said. It happens.

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by eneq
Hmm this is my argument but seems you dont c both sides..
Focuspulling DONT ruin Raids.
If you Focuspull within 12 hour and there is np.

Well communicating with people who announce raids is a great way to make sure that you don't ruin it then. But you purposely ignore announcements. How considerate and noble. And yes there's a lot Freud would have to say about it. Freud also had some pretty screwed up ideas about sexuality. Your point is? That having read some philosopher's work and finding you agree on something he says, means you're justified to make stupid statements?

originally posted by Jaapi
And other way around it would do the same, just for different people, so what was the point?

The point is that this thread started out with Eneq saying he'll purposely ignore private raid announcements. People planning raids are trying to communicate with the rest of Hib so everyone can take eachother's plans into consideration. Eneq purposely avoids communicating with private raid organisers to work something out. His choice, but he fails to justify it and tries to blame that on the people that disagree with him.

 

[Maq-attack]

If Eneq announces that he's going to Focus pull in Galla on a certain day, will that be ok? Maybe that will end any problems since he already said he won't stop anyone else pulling. So the Private raiders can still raid on that day, but because Eneq announced his pulling first it will make all the difference.

I think most posts are just scewing peoples views to make Eneq look like he's doing something bad or wrong. I don't see a problem really. Only if there's a raid planned for something like 8-10 hours later.

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by Maq-attack
Scientist don't assume, they create a hypothesis about what they think is going to happen based on previous experiments and information gathered. Totally different to assuming I'm affraid. If you told a scientist that he assumes things he/she would poke you in the eye. (My hypothesis)

From what I remember from my study, you test the validity of a hypothesis with various assumptions to see if it succeeds to correctly predict something within the bounds of those assumptions. Meta-science / scientific philosophy, whatever you want to call it, is quite a fun thing to study... after a while you're left with nothing tangible though ( ; You can always take the level of abstraction higher and question the methods for validating methods that validate methods for practising science, etc. Every scientist has to assume certain things, to get any further with a hypothesis.

 

[Maq-attack]

Hey, I'm no scientist.

But I still believe that assuming is wrong. Assuming about people that is, maybe that clears it up a little.

How about- Never assume about people because it makes you hurt if they don't like it??
Or maybe- Never assume about people because I assume they won't like it?? Oh no, can't do that one. I'm assuming in that one.

Hmmm..... the winner is:-

"Wait and see."

Yes, that one works. Wait and see if Eneq ruins a raid. Wait and see if people cry about someone else playing in their playground and they wanted to go on the swings first.
Scientist may even use that one,
Prof #1=>"Pfft, nothing happened"
Prof #2=>"Lets wait and see science buddy"
Experiment=>B00M!
Prof #1"Oh yeah, someting did happen. Thanks for telling me to wait and see science buddy"
Prof #2=>"No problem science buddy"

Hey it could work. Lets just wait and see eh?