Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[~Yuckfou~]

Jeez chill ladies.

 

[Wij]

Jeez chill ladies.

*stiff nips*

 

[dysfunction]

And Gove (spit) has decided to align himself with May only because he sees that its in his best interest to do so. Not because he wants to brexit as was his stance from day 1.
He was a major Brexiter and yet is happy to go along with what May says?? Yes because he realises the stupidity of it all and can snap up the PM role if it's up for grabs which was his motive all along.

 

[Wij]

And Gove (spit) has decided to align himself with May only because he sees that its in his best interest to do so. Not because he wants to brexit as was his stance from day 1.
He was a major Brexiter and yet is happy to go along with what May says?? Yes because he realises the stupidity of it all and can snap up the PM role if it's up for grabs which was his motive all along.

Gove...

 

[Embattle]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTJmVyk9Aa4

 

[Wij]

In Brexit Crisis, Trump Is Abandoning U.K. and EU - The Atlantic

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[CorNokZ]

The fourth sentence appears to contradict the third. Could you clarify sorry

Sorry, my bad. Maybe had one too many last night.

Get out and then have another ref

 

[Ormorof]

Why get out first? If its democratic to follow a referendum or election why would it be undemocratic to have another one if its the will of the people to leave now they know the facts surely the vote should be stronger in favour of leave?

 

[CorNokZ]

Can't have a democratic vote, do fuck all for three years and then have another vote

 

[caLLous]

Getting out and then trying to get back in would not only be extremely difficult (and even more embarrassing that the shit show that is Brexit) but also under much more binding terms than are currently in place. If the choices are a shit, half-arsed deal or no deal, there has to be another, more informed referendum with a third "cancel the whole thing" choice.

Bully for those who voted Leave and are in the fortunate position which enables them to weather any forthcoming storm brought by the uncertainty over the next decade (with no guarantee that anything's going to improve afterwards) - a lot of Leave voters came from poorer parts of the country and don't have such a luxury. But they voted for it so they just have suck it up, right?

 

[Embattle]

Why get out first? If its democratic to follow a referendum or election why would it be undemocratic to have another one if its the will of the people to leave now they know the facts surely the vote should be stronger in favour of leave?

The same people who think it was a terrible idea to have the first referendum now seem to want another, with the usual condescending attitude and falsehoods still in place.


View: http://i.imgur.com/DRaXLCu.gif

 

[Bodhi]

Jesus Christ you lot are a bunch of pussies.

1) We are leaving.

2) It will be fine.

3) End.

 

[Wij]

Worth a look at:

The EU has archived all of the 'Euromyths' printed in UK media - and it makes for some disturbing reading

 

[Wij]

Jesus Christ you lot are a bunch of pussies.

1) We are leaving.

2) It will be fine.

3) End.

You specifically advocated an EEA model during and after the referendum. No deal couldn't be further from that.

 

[Gwadien]

Worth a look at:

The EU has archived all of the 'Euromyths' printed in UK media - and it makes for some disturbing reading

Acrobats, Africa – EU funding for African acrobats and trapeze artists, July 2015

 

[Job]

Worth a look at:

The EU has archived all of the 'Euromyths' printed in UK media - and it makes for some disturbing reading

The straight bananas was hilarious, because it was debunked quite soon after it came out..but remoaners constantly bring it up as a way of ridiculing leavers.
Even though it was claptrap from the start

An EU Empire, army ,Euro wide taxation and destruction of the nation state...now theres an issue.
Funny how quiet remoaners go on those three fucking massive sticking points.
But no they just start shouting about a slogan in a bus..seriously thats the number one dig...it hasnt even been disproven yet...but the EU
..sorry germany and france...
ok..the EU.
They have come out and fully backed all three.
So the leavers were right...completely correct about game changing policies of the EU.
And the remoaners might be right...not as yet...about a bus.

 

[Gwadien]

An EU Empire, army ,Euro wide taxation and destruction of the nation state...now theres an issue.
Funny how quiet remoaners go on those three fucking massive sticking points.
.

Maybe because Remainers think it's a sensible idea?

Many of us here have expressed a dislike of nationalism and patriotism, so it would be natural.

 

[Wij]

The straight bananas was hilarious, because it was debunked quite soon after it came out..but remoaners constantly bring it up as a way of ridiculing leavers.
Even though it was claptrap from the start

An EU Empire, army ,Euro wide taxation and destruction of the nation state...now theres an issue.
Funny how quiet remoaners go on those three fucking massive sticking points.
But no they just start shouting about a slogan in a bus..seriously thats the number one dig...it hasnt even been disproven yet...but the EU
..sorry germany and france...
ok..the EU.
They have come out and fully backed all three.
So the leavers were right...completely correct about game changing policies of the EU.
And the remoaners might be right...not as yet...about a bus.

We don't even send £350 million in the first place even before you factor in what we get back and how much benefit the market gives our economy.

EU empire? That's not even possible for fucks sake

 

[Wij]

Davis...

Week in Review: The Brexit lies just won't stop

 

[Wij]

Heseltine quite funny:


View: https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1063457762846363648

 

[Gumbo]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T72TopWbXJg

 

[DaGaffer]

The straight bananas was hilarious, because it was debunked quite soon after it came out..but remoaners constantly bring it up as a way of ridiculing leavers.
Even though it was claptrap from the start

An EU Empire, army ,Euro wide taxation and destruction of the nation state...now theres an issue.
Funny how quiet remoaners go on those three fucking massive sticking points.
But no they just start shouting about a slogan in a bus..seriously thats the number one dig...it hasnt even been disproven yet...but the EU
..sorry germany and france...
ok..the EU.
They have come out and fully backed all three.
So the leavers were right...completely correct about game changing policies of the EU.
And the remoaners might be right...not as yet...about a bus.

a. I have no problem with the creation of an EU army, especially with that fuckwit in the White House.

b. Euro wide taxation isn't what you think it is. Take VAT; yes there are rules on how its administered, but the taxes themselves are enormously wide (17% top rate for the lowest rate country and 27% for the highest) so in practical terms its a total non-issue, whereas for a trading block it makes perfect sense to harmonise the rules. But the British don't like that because it hurts their little offshore loopholes (like the Channel Islands), except, oh no it doesn't, because the EU in its negotiation (not imposition) on each member state, accepts huge carve outs of VAT rules anyway. This is why there's no VAT in the Canary Islands, but the EU imposes duty limits instead so Spain can't take the piss. All this comes back to the rules being agreed by the members, not being imposed from above, which is the British narrative.

c. "Destruction of the Nation State". Oh no, we're going to destroy something that's been around for 300 years of the last 7000 years of human history with...the same thing! What a disaster. You come from a version of the UK that's existed for less than a hundred years. The version before that existed for about 120. The version before that, less than a hundred. The "Nation State" doesn't mean jack over the long run, and is increasingly not fit for purpose anyway.

As for "EU Empire", give me a fucking break. One French politician uses the word and its panties in the air all round. Do you think the US isn't an empire? China? Of course they fucking are.

 

[Scouse]

Maybe because Remainers think it's a sensible idea?

Many of us here have expressed a dislike of nationalism and patriotism, so it would be natural.

I'm all for the destruction of the nation state, but that also applies to Europe as a walled-off entity. If you fix inequality then you fix the migration issues, and remove the need for borders.

Nationalism is, as Einsten said, an infantile disease. Patriotism? Not so much - you can like where you're from and identify with your "countrymen" but it's distinct from nationalism and that illness.

 

[Job]

Ok now we're all in agreement that the entire remain camp was wrong about armies, taxes and a federal 'empire' for the EU...we can add in 'to defend ourselves against the US'..I'll let them off for that because anyone saying that before the ref would have been dismissed as a raving crackpot.
Especially if they claimed it was going to be the leader of France..

Can they admit they were wrong...no..they'll just change the subject.

Leaver lies..more money for the NHS

EU lies..nah we dont want a fucking army to take on China and America.

 

[Job]

I'm all for the destruction of the nation state, but that also applies to Europe as a walled-off entity. If you fix inequality then you fix the migration issues, and remove the need for borders.

Nationalism is, as Einsten said, an infantile disease. Patriotism? Not so much - you can like where you're from and identify with your "countrymen" but it's distinct from nationalism and that illness.

Einstein was a racist and helped build the nuclear bomb.
Its easy to quote his thoughts on a fantastically complicated issue and presume hes right just because he was a genius in other areas.

The wifes a happy clappy save the refugees.
So were driving back from Devon and a young lad is hitching at the service station.
We drive past and she says.

'No chance..you dont know who the hell he is'.

Yup..sums up the thought process

 

[Scouse]

Ok now we're all in agreement that the entire remain camp was wrong about armies, taxes and a federal 'empire' for the EU...

No we can't. I've said all along (and before the referendum) that a) it is a natural happen (and sooner or later it *will* happen) and b) I'm fully in support of it.

A federalised Europe is a great idea.

 

[Job]

So because youve always wanted it..the remain camp were not wrong about.

Scouse rewrites logic path.

 

[Job]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T72TopWbXJg

I cant believe they havent resurrected the Keep calm and carry on.

 

[DaGaffer]

Ok now we're all in agreement that the entire remain camp was wrong about armies, taxes and a federal 'empire' for the EU...we can add in 'to defend ourselves against the US'..I'll let them off for that because anyone saying that before the ref would have been dismissed as a raving crackpot.
Especially if they claimed it was going to be the leader of France..

Can they admit they were wrong...no..they'll just change the subject.

Leaver lies..more money for the NHS

EU lies..nah we dont want a fucking army to take on China and America.

Can who admit they're wrong? What the fuck are you talking about? The "remain camp", whatever the fuck that is, wasn't wrong about federalising Europe, or taxes or even armies, most people who support the EU see all of those things as a natural outcome of "ever closer union". You act like it was all some big secret trap to ensnare the good olde English stout yeoman into some dirty foreign plot. Jesus Christ get your head out of your 1930s arse; the EU are not Nazis and we're not standing alone against the foe. Grow up.

NB. An EU army was a low agenda item as little as two years ago (not a non-issue, but little more than an aspiration and a few experiments); Brexit and Trump and Russian shenanigans made the necessity of one more urgent. If NATO is no longer reliable (the Trump factor) then needs must.