Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[Gwadien]

Ex bank of England chief said at its worst brexit would be an unoticable blip in twenty years time.

But on the GOOD side, we have ditched the EU superstate and its borderless drone population.

You really do see yourself superior to other people don't you?

 

[Scouse]

I read that with Frasiers voice...1st world problems.

That's because you're a snob.

 

[Bodhi]

Lipreaders can't agree on whether Corbyn called Theresa May a 'stupid woman'

He said Yannie.

 

[Wij]

The dont knowers are being swayed by the actual deal not matching up to their expectations and the opinions of experts on the feasibility of no deal

FTFY

 

[Job]

So Corbyn finally comes out as a leaver.
I guess thats it then.
Corbyn: Brexit would go ahead even if Labour won snap election

 

[Wij]

So Corbyn finally comes out as a leaver.
I guess thats it then.
Corbyn: Brexit would go ahead even if Labour won snap election

I don’t think that surprises most people.

 

[Scouse]

And he's been saying it for ages?

 

[Job]

We'll he's bee n squeaking it for ages, only to be instantly contradicted by his own party.

 

[Wij]

We'll he's bee n squeaking it for ages, only to be instantly contradicted by his own party.

Well Labour are totally shit under Corbyn so yeh.

 

[Wij]

Automotive industry warns of catastrophe of exiting EU without an agreement; ‘No Deal’ must be off the table - SMMT

 

[Job]

Obviously thats just beyond ridiculous and there would never be a no deal that caused so much damage to both sides.
You must remember the entire thing is bureaucracy...the supply lines are there, all the individual deals are in place..all the businesses have long standing agreements and procedures...friendships and information sharing.
In the event of a no deal..the EU would actually take it upon them selves to step in with a layer of rules and payments that would fuck the entire thing up.
They would actually be sending out legal procedures that would destroy trade between it and its second largest economy.
This is so utterly unimaginable..so deeply damaging to their mission that they are at an impasse with their ideology of assimilation and the damage to their economy and world standing, that it could destroy them.

 

[Wij]

Obviously thats just beyond ridiculous and there would never be a no deal that caused so much damage to both sides.
You must remember the entire thing is bureaucracy...the supply lines are there, all the individual deals are in place..all the businesses have long standing agreements and procedures...friendships and information sharing.
In the event of a no deal..the EU would actually take it upon them selves to step in with a layer of rules and payments that would fuck the entire thing up.
They would actually be sending out legal procedures that would destroy trade between it and its second largest economy.
This is so utterly unimaginable..so deeply damaging to their mission that they are at an impasse with their ideology of assimilation and the damage to their economy and world standing, that it could destroy them.

The UK is erecting barriers to trade by leaving. The EU would just be following it’s existing rules for trade with third countries.

It’s not a lose lose situation for the EU because many manufacturers will find it in their interest to move operations to a country that stays in the single market. Nissan for instance.

 

[Job]

It would cost them billions to move..they will be putting immense pressure on both sides and if it came to the crunch it would be the EU pulling the plug on a huge chunk of Europes economy based on an ideology.
Not sensible business decisions.
An ideology of a superstate..they would enforce entirely political rules to fuck up trade.
The EU is at a crossroads, right now they are facing the UK crashing out..if they let that happen, the corporations will turn on them.

 

[Wij]

It would cost them billions to move..they will be putting immense pressure on both sides and if it came to the crunch it would be the EU pulling the plug on a huge chunk of Europes economy based on an ideology.
Not sensible business decisions.
An ideology of a superstate..they would enforce entirely political rules to fuck up trade.
The EU is at a crossroads, right now they are facing the UK crashing out..if they let that happen, the corporations will turn on them.

The corporations support them for fucks sake. They value the single market and don’t want it endangered even if it causes them some grief.

 

[Job]

But its the EU that is fucking it up.
Everyone blames us but how incompetent do you have to be lose your second biggest economy.
It would have been so easy to keep us on board, some many upsides and still not a single effort was made to connect with the millions of Britains who then went on to vote us out
It doesnt matter what you try to blame it on.
When the autopsy comes, they are going to say.
'How the fuck did you let this happen?'
They undoubtedly spent more on gay frog habitat than researching and addressing the mountain of hate against their policies.
The eternal belief that it would never happen and they could push us as far as they wanted.
Total and utter contempt...now its bitten their ass.

 

[Embattle]

We may be one of the biggest economies in the EU, we may also add a unique view to the EU mix at times but we are also a monumental pain in the ass at the same time.

 

[Gwadien]

But its the EU that is fucking it up.
Everyone blames us but how incompetent do you have to be lose your second biggest economy.
It would have been so easy to keep us on board, some many upsides and still not a single effort was made to connect with the millions of Britains who then went on to vote us out
It doesnt matter what you try to blame it on.
When the autopsy comes, they are going to say.
'How the fuck did you let this happen?'
They undoubtedly spent more on gay frog habitat than researching and addressing the mountain of hate against their policies.
The eternal belief that it would never happen and they could push us as far as they wanted.
Total and utter contempt...now its bitten their ass.

See a GP please.

 

[Job]

We may be one of the biggest economies in the EU, we may also add a unique view to the EU mix at times but we are also a monumental pain in the ass at the same time.

No..we just slightly moan while being one of the cornerstones of European wealth.
Meanwhile Greece just borrows and borrows.
Spain and Italy have basketcase economies..Poland is removing the independence of the judiciary.
Eastern Europe is in open revolt.
But no its us..the bad boys of europe.

 

[Scouse]

Well done to the Germans (and the French) for taking the moral high ground and saying "you'll be ok" to the 100,000 British nationals living in Germany.

Always knew they were better than us.

 

[Ormorof]

It would cost them billions to move..they will be putting immense pressure on both sides and if it came to the crunch it would be the EU pulling the plug on a huge chunk of Europes economy based on an ideology.
Not sensible business decisions.
An ideology of a superstate..they would enforce entirely political rules to fuck up trade.
The EU is at a crossroads, right now they are facing the UK crashing out..if they let that happen, the corporations will turn on them.

Nissan also has plants in Spain and St Petersburg, the second it becomes cheaper to move the production elsewhere vs keeping it in uk and paying tariffs they will be gone

 

[Job]

Well tbh I'm amazed we can keep production at all in the UK considering the amount of worldwide cheaper labour available now.
Why havnt they left all ready?

 

[Wij]

Well tbh I'm amazed we can keep production at all in the UK considering the amount of worldwide cheaper labour available now.
Why havnt they left all ready?

Because Vietnam is not in the single market. This is not rocket science.

 

[Job]

Im pretty sure if Nissan moved to Vietnam a suitable trade deal...protection racket...would appear.

 

[Job]

This is where we are now.
Exciting isnt it..these are proper days to be alive.

Bluff, blackmail and brinkwomanship: why a no-deal Brexit is still on the cards | Andrew Rawnsley

 

[DaGaffer]

It would cost them billions to move..they will be putting immense pressure on both sides and if it came to the crunch it would be the EU pulling the plug on a huge chunk of Europes economy based on an ideology.
Not sensible business decisions.
An ideology of a superstate..they would enforce entirely political rules to fuck up trade.
The EU is at a crossroads, right now they are facing the UK crashing out..if they let that happen, the corporations will turn on them.

Nowhere near as much as you think. Most of the car manufacturers already have alternate lines (JLR is one that has real problems as their plants in Austria and Belgium aren't big enough, and Honda is completely dependent on Swindon), but BMW, Toyota and Nissan could be gone pretty easily, and most car companies have too much plant capacity anyway.

And you keep talking about the EU enforcing an "ideology"; the EU is enforcing the law and the situation it will be stuck with if the UK doesn't come to terms; this is all the UK's doing, and who do you think corporations will turn on? The market of 430m or the market of 65m demonstrably run by incompetents?

 

[Job]

Their 'laws' are an ideology, all part of a trade clubs march towards a superstate.
They are doing very well, bit like leaving a cult.
You can leave, but we'll do our best to make it hell for you as a warning to others.

 

[Job]

Nowhere near as much as you think. Most of the car manufacturers already have alternate lines (JLR is one that has real problems as their plants in Austria and Belgium aren't big enough, and Honda is completely dependent on Swindon), but BMW, Toyota and Nissan could be gone pretty easily, and most car companies have too much plant capacity anyway.

And you keep talking about the EU enforcing an "ideology"; the EU is enforcing the law and the situation it will be stuck with if the UK doesn't come to terms; this is all the UK's doing, and who do you think corporations will turn on? The market of 430m or the market of 65m demonstrably run by incompetents?

Tbh thats a bigger problem..huge fall in demand,.they are laying people off all ready.
But thats a good thing isnt it?
Less cars..less pollution, climate change.
We should all get ebikes..I'm way ahead of you.

 

[Gwadien]

Their 'laws' are an ideology, all part of a trade clubs march towards a superstate.
They are doing very well, bit like leaving a cult.
You can leave, but we'll do our best to make it hell for you as a warning to others.

I do find it amusing that you still think this yet you think Putin, Erdogan and Trump are angels.

 

[Scouse]

Well done to the Germans (and the French) for taking the moral high ground and saying "you'll be ok" to the 100,000 British nationals living in Germany.

Always knew they were better than us.

I'll just restate this, as it was an argument of much contention a while back.

But the Europeans have blinked and unilaterally declared that our citizens will be fine.

And we still haven't reciprocated. Because we're fucking scum.

 

[Gwadien]

I'll just restate this, as it was an argument of much contention a while back.

But the Europeans have blinked and unilaterally declared that our citizens will be fine.

And we still haven't reciprocated. Because we're fucking scum.

That's because in the EU People > Business

In the UK its Business > People