Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[Job]

I cant watch it..Oliver is such a tit.

 

[Scouse]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtWkt_IlOIs

 

[DaGaffer]

So if someone says they won't negotiate on something, you believe them? Or do you not think it's a tactic?

I think its an understandable lack of trust. The problem here is the British "negotiating team" (I use the term loosely) has spent the last two years talking about how easy it is to solve all of these issues, particularly things like "technical solutions" for the Irish border, without actually coming up with anything substantive. The backstop calls their bluff. If its so easy the UK should have no fears about signing up to the backstop because they'll figure out a solution tout suite. But of course the UK knows full well that's all bollocks which is why the backstop is so terrifying, and there are ridiculous suggestions like a time limit (which would render a backstop pointless).

If you spend two years in a negotiation spouting unsupportable nonsense, don't be surprised when the other side of the negotiation takes steps to cover their arse.

 

[caLLous]

 

[Bodhi]

I do get the feeling the government didn't maximise it's efforts to reduce risks if there is a no deal, it was always going to be better to waste the money if it wasn't needed than waste the time.

Yep, it's the Government, and indeed Civil Service's biggest fuck up around this, is not preparing for No Deal earlier.

 

[Bodhi]

I think its an understandable lack of trust. The problem here is the British "negotiating team" (I use the term loosely) has spent the last two years talking about how easy it is to solve all of these issues, particularly things like "technical solutions" for the Irish border, without actually coming up with anything substantive. The backstop calls their bluff. If its so easy the UK should have no fears about signing up to the backstop because they'll figure out a solution tout suite. But of course the UK knows full well that's all bollocks which is why the backstop is so terrifying, and there are ridiculous suggestions like a time limit (which would render a backstop pointless).

If you spend two years in a negotiation spouting unsupportable nonsense, don't be surprised when the other side of the negotiation takes steps to cover their arse.

Technical solutions like NCTS that we agreed continuing access to yesterday? Doesn't fix the entire problem, but goes a long way towards fixing a problem that no-one has said is going to be created anyway.

 

[Scouse]

Real, and obvious, shame

 

[Wij]

Across the world Anglophilia is giving way to Anglobemusement

 

[Bodhi]

View: https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1074999411917361153?s=19

 

[Job]

Real, and obvious, shame

Well hire some locals then..wtf is that even...

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1074999411917361153?s=19

Slightly misleading as there have been people's vote petitions before with lots more signatures and 700,000 people didn't just fill in an electronic form but got up off their arses and marched in London.

 

[Wij]

e.g.:

One million people sign The Independent's petition for a Final Say on Brexit vote

 

[Bodhi]

Across the world Anglophilia is giving way to Anglobemusement

Given The Economists heavy remain bias, I suspect the people our reporter was talking to could be filed under self selected samples

 

[Bodhi]

e.g.:

One million people sign The Independent's petition for a Final Say on Brexit vote

Yes I remember that poll, full of signatures from outside the UK. Whilst I was happy Vladimir from Latvia liked voting for stuff, I wasn't entirely sure how relevant this information was.

 

[Wij]

Given The Economists heavy remain bias, I suspect the people our reporter was talking to could be filed under self selected samples

It's not hidden. You can see the world's attitude on telly.

And for fuck's sake, our chief negotiator was David Davis! We might as well have fielded Count Duckula.

 

[Wij]

Yes I remember that poll, full of signatures from outside the UK. Whilst I was happy Vladimir from Latvia liked voting for stuff, I wasn't entirely sure how relevant this information was.

I could pull out other ones too thanks but let's just concentrate on 700,000 actual people off their arses.

 

[Scouse]

Well hire some locals then..wtf is that even...

What an odious thing to say. They do hire locals but 25000 brit kids, who want to work a season or two whilst mountain biking and snowboarding are no longer going to be able to choose that lifestyle for a couple of years.

A couple of friends kids have done that for a season each. Lovely well-adjusted working class kids who've no other way of getting that lifestyle because the alps are where the alps are, so there is no alternative choice.

I'm friends with a couple who left Nottingham and set up a (Spanish) business on the back of just that. They're devastated.

Considering this is on a rotational basis that's a restriction on the life choices of hundreds of thousands of people.

And you don't give a shit - because it's not *you*. Not even the slightest regret at a clear and obvious downside.

It is to mankinds eternal shame that people like you exist.

 

[Scouse]

Actually, you've made your mind up for me @Job
I don't have any particular love for the EU. But I don't have love for UK.gov either. But life for many inside the EU has been shite and the chance of changing the system for the many was a strong argument in favour of brexit.

However, freedom of movement is so precious. Passports are portable prisons. And a vote for brexit was a vote for a smaller prison, less freedom. Go where they say, when they say and work where they say.

I was on the fence but no more. I'll be writing to my MP when I get back, and organising my friends to do the same, to ask for a second referendum.

Better a slave to the EU than being lumped with a group of people who voted lije you. I feel we need our European friends to help protect us from the world you want - and they would love to have us.

 

[Job]

We'll still be able to move and work..this. ..is..britain.
Not some obscure back end , just got in country.
You are just repeating the doom scenarios that are not based on reality..and maybe..just maybe a country like France with high youth unemployment could do with a few less Brits just because we are more internationally attractive to tourists.

 

[Scouse]

You, @Job, are a fucking clueless little turd.

 

[Gwadien]

I'm going to move to a country without democracy.

 

[Wij]

We'll still be able to move and work..this. ..is..britain.
Not some obscure back end , just got in country.
You are just repeating the doom scenarios that are not based on reality..and maybe..just maybe a country like France with high youth unemployment could do with a few less Brits just because we are more internationally attractive to tourists.

The rest of the EU has an economy 5 times that of the UK.

 

[Job]

Yes and the entire world has a higher gdp than the Isle of Man.
Your point?

 

[Gwadien]

Yes and the entire world has a higher gdp than the Isle of Man.
Your point?

I can't actually believe you have the right to vote.

 

[Job]

You, @Job, are a fucking clueless little turd.

You dont see the problem..no.
The EU is terribly unbalanced, unemployment , incomes and future for the youth is massively different in Germany and Spain.
You buy it to to movement of kabour because you have a few trendy mates who have done it and you are free to do it.
The vast ..vast majority of people dont do it because of a very long list of reasons.
France is going through some serious shit now with even the Police joining in the protests and you are crying over something..that firstly..wo t happen..and secondly calling me a turd for having the audacity to suggest France should employ its own first.
You cant build a utopia on a social engineering dream.

 

[Gwadien]

You dont see the problem..no.
The EU is terribly unbalanced, unemployment , incomes and future for the youth is massively different in Germany and Spain.
You buy it to to movement of kabour because you have a few trendy mates who have done it and you are free to do it.
The vast ..vast majority of people dont do it because of a very long list of reasons.
France is going through some serious shit now with even the Police joining in the protests and you are crying over something..that firstly..wo t happen..and secondly calling me a turd for having the audacity to suggest France should employ its own first.
You cant build a utopia on a social engineering dream.

So you basically say the EU is shit, and your explanation is a 'very long list of reasons'

OK.

I don't understand how you're connecting the EU and the riots in France, they're completely not related.

We had riots a couple of years ago, does that mean that we're not trustworthy too?

This is why we shouldn't leave.

 

[Job]

Brexit to blame?

Ski instructor: 'There's a war going on in the French Alps'

 

[Gwadien]

Brexit to blame?

Ski instructor: 'There's a war going on in the French Alps'

So when we voted for Brexit we were told our relationship with the EU wouldn't change much.

I can see that changing, but all the blame for the hate put in the EU countries.

 

[Job]

No..I'm saying this sharing, caring EU dream is bullshit..they are forcing people to change as a social experiment with a Federal EU as the end game.
It will end in tears..the EU is not on any level a path to peace..it is a path to inequality and conflict.
They have managed..quite spectacularily to make us leave.
The Belgium PM has just lost his job for signing the UN immigration pact...the BELGIUM PM!
How about that for rotten at the core.

 

[Gwadien]

No..I'm saying this sharing, caring EU dream is bullshit..they are forcing people to change as a social experiment with a Federal EU as the end game.
It will end in tears..the EU is not on any level a path to peace..it is a path to inequality and conflict.
They have managed..quite spectacularily to make us leave.
The Belgium PM has just lost his job for signing the UN immigration pact...the BELGIUM PM!
How about that for rotten at the core.

Again, you're talking about issues of individual countries, issues that these countries would have even if they weren't in the EU.

This idea that we're going to enter some kind of utopia post brexit is hilarious.