Opera cancelled in anticipation of islam reactions

[Overdriven]

Just a sort of 'reply' to something on the 2nd page (regarding Celebrity Deathmatch and this thread)

About 7 months ago (I think it was then) South Park created an episode which showed muhammed in it (Well, 2). Fox (Or who ever hosts the show now) stopped the episode from being aired. Doesn't that tell you something? - Shows can't even feature their 'leader' without people whining about it.

I actually got the 2nd episode from a torrent, watched it and there was nothing that bad about it. (I'm not an extreamist who likes arguing about everything) Yet the first Episode was Catman playing pranks on him..

Serious operas: Afraid from mentioning/showing Muhammed (DoA)
Funny Shows: Same
General Movies: Same.

Little sad... =<

By any chance, did anyone here catch the radio-show (can't remember Freq. 89.4 or something) where the host spoke about the pope's speech? The islamic guy phoned in and tried to argue about it, and was proven insanely wrong?

 

[Eeben]

I'm not a racist or narrowminded person. But at this point i'm completely fed up with the islamic oversensitivity. EVERY time i see a spokesperson from the muslim community i loose more and more empathy for them. They seem to find insults in every thing said to them and it seems to me that they have no interest in living among other religions. I have no problem with the everyday faithful muslim. I know a few and even call some friends. But for all those who keeps going borderline fundamentalistic and demand satisfaction for everything involving islam. If you are so unhappy, fuck off, go back and you can scream "Derka Derka, Muhammad jihad" all day long.
Imagine you move to a muslim country;
You demand money even if you are doing nothing, a home, the government has to pay for a christian church for you. Pork in the lunch for you and your kids, your wife has to have the right to vote, respect about your religion and habbits, porn, democracy, you have the right to call the country shit and it's women whores when you feel like it. They have to allow your wife to wear a bikini and your kids watch MTV. No, right?
I know there are perfectly well adjusted muslims everywhere, this was for the idiots who keep demanding more and more, while their agro and whine still increase exponentially.

sad think about all of this is its so true think thats why most ppl are starting to dislike muslims.

Was some new statistic that was saying that 75% or something was starting to dislike the muslims because of all this crap about those cartoons an stuff, this is in denmark ofc

 

[Chronictank]

Imagine you move to a muslim country;
You demand money even if you are doing nothing, a home, the government has to pay for a christian church for you. Pork in the lunch for you and your kids, your wife has to have the right to vote, respect about your religion and habbits, porn, democracy, you have the right to call the country shit and it's women whores when you feel like it. They have to allow your wife to wear a bikini and your kids watch MTV. No, right?
I know there are perfectly well adjusted muslims everywhere, this was for the idiots who keep demanding more and more, while their agro and whine still increase exponentially.

Just a little point, the government doesnt fund any religious buildings other than Churches and buildings affiliated with the Church of england and (the other one i cant remember sorry :<) along with assorted ones for Ireland, scotland and wales in the uk. Synagogs, Mosques, Gudwara's, Buddist temples etc etc all are self funded by the community.

i think you will find the "whine" hasnt really changed at all, its the same issues but nowdays media focus is on it

sad think about all of this is its so true think thats why most ppl are starting to dislike muslims.

All religions aside, I find it far more sad the people have no respect for one another anymore tbh and NEED the political correctness lobbies to legislate things rather than people being able to manage it themselves.
One such example also to any Germans whining about free speech, there is a law that says Germans cant have the piss taken out of them over Hitler, it is illegal in Germany

 

[Blackjack]

Just a little point, the government doesnt fund any religious buildings other than Churches and buildings affiliated with the Church of england

I'm danish, not british.

 

[Chronictank]

I'm danish, not british.

ah ok, disregard what i said then

 

[Blackjack]

ah ok, disregard what i said then

.

 

[dub]

I'm danish, not british.

well laws in denmark and england kinda similar in this area , you dont pay to anything but the state church in denmark either

 

[Blackjack]

well laws in denmark and england kinda similar in this area , you dont pay to anything but the state church in denmark either

It was not about wether or not i as a private person pay for it...

 

[dub]

ye well not like muslims in denmark asked for government to fund construction of mosques , so wouldnt make sense if you hurried of to sumwhere and started demanding government funded churches now would it ?

 

[noaim]

God Vs Allah

Lol, how fucking stupid are you?

 

[noaim]

The amount of bullshit in this thread is hilarious. tris- saying he wouldnt get offended at all, by anything basicly. I think that says alot about him, nothing else. Also all the people that clearly havent been to any muslim country talking so much crap. You realize that what you are saying about muslims, is what the clueless uneducated people there say about western people right? You are exactly the same as the stupid fucks there, that thinks that everyone "on the other side" is the same, an asshole who wants to kill you if you say something wrong.

I dont remember Denmark being bombed for those "comics", I do remember them being boycotted though. Some threats? Yeah I am sure there were, but I see deaththreats over internetgames etc, and I see western people give deaththreats to eachother over very silly things, so the difference would be? None, there are idiots and stupid people everywhere. The thing is though, Muhammed is never shown in plays or movies, thats how it is, and I dont see the problem with respecting that. If a muslim made a movie with Hitler as a great hero in it for killing jews, I am pretty sure that would get a very upset response by most sensible people (tris- ofc wouldnt care, he would stay inside playing computergames and yelling big words on forums).

And about the guy that said something about muslims not wanting to live with people from other religions? I am in Egypt now where there are about 10% christians, living among the muslims, with no problems. I been out with muslims and christians at the same time, no problems. The biggest difference between here and Sweden, is that people here are alot more friendly and respect eachother alot more. But they are probably just acting nice, so that they can lure me over and pack me with bombs on my way home. After all, they are mus...I mean terrorists.

 

[Sharma]

Lol, how fucking stupid are you?

No, you're a fucking moron for missing the irony of the statement.

It seems you honestly thought I didn't know they're basically the same thing, thank you for reading through a thread for 3 pages and having a go at the first thing you see. I applaud your postcount.

now i didnt qoute you, i qouted sharma :/ he was pretty obsessed with the london bombing if i remember correctly.

I did give my condolences for these events and such but I still laughed at all the non-PC jokes made about it. I find things that offend people comical for the sheer rise it gets out of people.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but in this case, muslims/islamists/etc had nothing to do with this being shut down, or the south park episode, but it was simply because some pussyfooting powermongers thought it MIGHT cause some problems?

Why's everyone(not 100% all as you know) jumping on the "i hate muslims" train?

 

[Overdriven]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but in this case, muslims/islamists/etc had nothing to do with this being shut down, or the south park episode, but it was simply because some pussyfooting powermongers thought it MIGHT cause some problems?

Why's everyone(not 100% all as you know) jumping on the "i hate muslims" train?

Don't honestly think it's to do with 'hating' them - I think it's the opinion of how stupid the situation is. If you do that, you know you're going to get a rise. (from a bloody cartoon) It shows how stupid people are and how much of a small thing needs to be said for offense to be taken.

Is pure n00bie imo.

 

[Collateral]

The amount of bullshit in this thread is hilarious. tris- saying he wouldnt get offended at all, by anything basicly. I think that says alot about him, nothing else. Also all the people that clearly havent been to any muslim country talking so much crap. You realize that what you are saying about muslims, is what the clueless uneducated people there say about western people right? You are exactly the same as the stupid fucks there, that thinks that everyone "on the other side" is the same, an asshole who wants to kill you if you say something wrong.

I dont remember Denmark being bombed for those "comics", I do remember them being boycotted though. Some threats? Yeah I am sure there were, but I see deaththreats over internetgames etc, and I see western people give deaththreats to eachother over very silly things, so the difference would be? None, there are idiots and stupid people everywhere. The thing is though, Muhammed is never shown in plays or movies, thats how it is, and I dont see the problem with respecting that. If a muslim made a movie with Hitler as a great hero in it for killing jews, I am pretty sure that would get a very upset response by most sensible people (tris- ofc wouldnt care, he would stay inside playing computergames and yelling big words on forums).

And about the guy that said something about muslims not wanting to live with people from other religions? I am in Egypt now where there are about 10% christians, living among the muslims, with no problems. I been out with muslims and christians at the same time, no problems. The biggest difference between here and Sweden, is that people here are alot more friendly and respect eachother alot more. But they are probably just acting nice, so that they can lure me over and pack me with bombs on my way home. After all, they are mus...I mean terrorists.

totally right...very sad, what i have read here so far. no respect, no insight, no sensitivity, no clue...just pure I don´t give a fuck about anything!

 

[noaim]

No, you're a fucking moron for missing the irony of the statement.

It seems you honestly thought I didn't know they're basically the same thing, thank you for reading through a thread for 3 pages and having a go at the first thing you see. I applaud your postcount.

Yeah you have shown your intelligence from such a bright side I should ofc assume you actually have an idea of anything more complicated than chewing your own food.

 

[noblok]

I'm not a racist or narrowminded person. But at this point i'm completely fed up with the islamic oversensitivity.

German press agency DPA said Berlin police have so far recorded no direct threat to the opera house

Blame the opera people, not the islamic community.

EVERY time i see a spokesperson from the muslim community i loose more and more empathy for them.

Today in the newspaper was a quote from the president of the German muslim-counsil: "It's terrible that people should be afraid."

 

[Lamp]

A man goes into an adult entertainment shop and asks
the assistant for an inflatable doll."Would you like male or female?""Female, please.""Would you like Black or White?""White, please.""Would you like Christian or Muslim?"

This question confused the man, so he asked,"What has the religion got to do with it? It's an
inflatable doll!""Well," explained the assistant,"The Muslim one blows
itself up!"

 

[Svartmetall]

lol

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Lamp again"

 

[Overdriven]

Haha.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Lamp again."

 

[Blackjack]

Blame the opera people, not the islamic community.

At this point, i'm fed up. Wasn't completely about the opera. And there hasn't been any direct threaths to the opera since it doesn't play. Last night on danish television a muslim spokesperson stepped forward and said "The opera should ask religious leaders if it was ok. And if they did it anyway they would have to suffer the consequences." So however retarded chickenshit'ish the opera people are. I can't "Blame the opera, not the islamic community." completely in this case.

 

[Sparx]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Lamp again

 

[Eeben]

At this point, i'm fed up. Wasn't completely about the opera. And there hasn't been any direct threaths to the opera since it doesn't play. Last night on danish television a muslim spokesperson stepped forward and said "The opera should ask religious leaders if it was ok. And if they did it anyway they would have to suffer the consequences." So however retarded chickenshit'ish the opera people are. I can't "Blame the opera, not the islamic community." completely in this case.

aye he was a complete wanker that guy loved when he got owned by the christian priest an refused to anwser her question

 

[Blackjack]

ye well not like muslims in denmark asked for government to fund construction of mosques , so wouldnt make sense if you hurried of to sumwhere and started demanding government funded churches now would it ?

Actually they did ask for them to construct a mosque, and they are now discussing it. In which case muslims will be the only religious group to have the government pay for the erection of a church/mosque/synagoge. The government supports them in having places to set up as mosques they even got to convert a christian church to islamic when they weren't using it.
a church is a church, whether it has big spires or a bell tower or is just a building holding all the religious doo daa.
"A Church is widely known as a building used for public religious services"
So, yes. It would make sense.

 

[noblok]

And there hasn't been any direct threaths to the opera since it doesn't play.

That's unfair on the islamic community, really. There were no direct threats "but there would've been if the opera had played! You see, they are all religious fundamentalists!" Fact of the matter is that there have been no direct threats and that you cannot know if there would have been if the opera had played. Also note that this opera was performed in 2003 and although there was some commotion (if I remember correctly), it wasn't cancelled, nor was it made to be such a big thing as it is now.

Last night on danish television a muslim spokesperson stepped forward and said "The opera should ask religious leaders if it was ok. And if they did it anyway they would have to suffer the consequences." So however retarded chickenshit'ish the opera people are. I can't "Blame the opera, not the islamic community." completely in this case.

Seems reasonable to me, to an extent. If the opera would've asked the religious leaders and received their approval, that would've shut up the radical extremists. Seeing as the head of the German muslim counsil wouldn't have told them not to play this opera, I don't see why the imams would give a negative advice. I don't know the context though, so I may interpret his words wrong.

 

[Thorwyn]

Seems reasonable to me, to an extent. If the opera would've asked the religious leaders and received their approval, that would've shut up the radical extremists. Seeing as the head of the German muslim counsil wouldn't have told them not to play this opera, I don't see why the imams would give a negative advice. I don't know the context though, so I may interpret his words wrong.

Maybe. But why should we need to ask for approval of art and cultural things in our society? Not even the government claims to be asked first. Do you really think that media censoring by the clergy is the way to live in 2006? What´s next? Shall we ask them to approve our TV programs?
(And just for the records, that doesn´t only apply to the muslim religion... all kinds of religions should keep their hands out of mundane things and care about themselves.)

p.s. ... just realised that the "hands out of mundsne things" is badly worded. I mean to say that they shouldn´t claim and form of control instance.

 

[Blackjack]

That's unfair on the islamic community, to be honest. There were no direct threats "but there would've been if the opera had played! You see, they are all religious fundamentalists!" Fact of the matter is that there have been no direct threats and that you cannot know if there would have been if the opera had played. Also note that this opera was performed in 2003 and although there was some commotion (iirc), it wasn't cancelled, nor was it made to be such a big thing as it is now.


Seems reasonable to me, to an extent. If the opera would've asked the religious leaders and received their approval, that would've shut up the radical extremists. Seeing as the head of the German muslim counsil wouldn't have told them not to play this opera, I don't see why the imams would give a negative advice. I don't know the context though, so I may interpret his words wrong.

I never said they were all fundamentalist, if you read my first post i have friends who are muslims and quite religious. In their opinion the religious leaders are wrecking their cause. Creating less and less sympathy for muslims.

As for the second one. His words meant; they should ask the religious leaders. Who would have said no! and if they did it anyway they would suffer the consequences.

But in my opinion they shouldn't have to ask anyone for permission anyway. If they offend people, what a disaster... Art has shocked and offended people before. Wasn't like muhammad was the only guy there.

 

[noblok]

Maybe. But why should we need to ask for approval of art and cultural things in our society? Not even the government claims to be asked first. Do you really think that media censoring by the clergy is the way to live in 2006? What´s next? Shall we ask them to approve our TV programs?

I'm not saying that it's a good thing that we should do this. However, if it saves the opera from being bombed, it doesn't seem like a bad idea.

I never said they were all fundamentalist, if you read my first post i have friends who are muslims and quite religious. In their opinion the religious leaders are wrecking their cause. Creating less and less sympathy for muslims.

I admit, I shouldn't have overexaggerated it . I just thought it was rather unfair to say there would've been threats if the opera was performed.

 

[Chronictank]

But in my opinion they shouldn't have to ask anyone for permission anyway. If they offend people, what a disaster... Art has shocked and offended people before. Wasn't like muhammad was the only guy there.

well if they arent running it because of the reasons they stated, surely it would have been more productive to ask the Muslim council of germany if the people who apparently (even tho the police found no evidence) were going to cause a incident have a leg to stand on?
Not that it matters, because the fundementalists arent even following Islam, if they were they wouldnt be preaching the sh** they do, so i doubt it would make much difference to them. BUT they are more unlikely to do something simply to save face
Personally i think there was more to it than they claim, because if they were truely worried they could simply have just cut out/altered the scene

 

[Thorwyn]

Not that it matters, because the fundementalists arent even following Islam,

And that´s the exactly crux we´re facing.