Off-topic Mafia #8 Game Thread

[old.Tohtori]

Once more, then i'm done:

Olgaline:

- Did you not claim the "testing waters" after i called you on it? As in, i voted, you angered, i said "i was testing the waters" and then you, several posts later, said "i was just testing the waters. (this has nothing to do with "advnace saying", all to do with you claiming the water testing after i called YOU on it)

- Did you not insinuate Levin as my "mafia buddy" after he voted for you, after me?

- Did you not post all the time, that mafia would do this, i surely wouldn't? And no, "has this gotten any mafia hanged" isn't an answer.

- Did you not say you'd see me hang innocent or not?(tactic point of view)
and
- Did you not go off on a tangent after i voted with my gut, as you yourself told us to do?

- Could you please post reasons for my hanging as i do?

 

[Olgaline]

To the town:

you know what sod it!
I here by encourage the lot of you to hang me.
And when you discover that I am indeed a vanilla townie
Hang Him!

and by him I mean Toht!
and remeber whats happened and remeber there is a roleblocker too so you cant trust
a not guilty night choice responce: only a guilty one!

now why this you say ?
well it's simple as a vanilla I'm basicly the best ulternative to a no lynch for the town.
meaning the doc is safe the cop is safe.

the reason as i said earlier why i did not want to disclose my roel was that with this I'm basicly now letting the mafia disregard me as a cop or doc meaning they have less to pick from get it ?

but i just cba with tohts personal vendetta anymore.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Golena, made my point yet?

 

[Calo]

This will go on and on and on.. wish I could give 2 votes, on olga and toht.

but first

Mod : votecount!

 

[Golena]

The only point that's really been made is that olgaline is very bad, or very good at playing the game..

Even if he is a vanilla townie then it would in no way imply that Toht was mafia. The only thing that's stopping me from voting for him is that I don't believe he's guilty, so my vote remains on Levin who I believe has a better chance of being Mafia.

The only argument to change that would be that I think that if we are destined to hang an innocent he's the person that I see being least use in the next phase as (a) he's a townie not a cop/doctor and (b) I'm going to have to listen to more of this..

Either that or he realised that he set himself up as the primary target of a night kill and is now trying to backpedal. My hunch still after all that is still that the mafia isn't one of you 2. Everyone else has been very quiet and there's not been any reason for the mafia to post while you 2 bicker since your doing their job for them.

 

[Olgaline]

Once more, then i'm done:

Olgaline:

- Did you not claim the "testing waters" after i called you on it? As in, i voted, you angered, i said "i was testing the waters" and then you, several posts later, said "i was just testing the waters. (this has nothing to do with "advnace saying", all to do with you claiming the water testing after i called YOU on it)

- Did you not insinuate Levin as my "mafia buddy" after he voted for you, after me?

insinuate? hell I even right out admitted it, and let levin know it.
yes I take it play by play and react on peoples reactions ?
thats = guilty now ?

Infact i still suspec he'll pull the last straw.

- Did you not post all the time, that mafia would do this, i surely wouldn't? And no, "has this gotten any mafia hanged" isn't an answer.

yes thats called theorizing I've adressed this already so why again again a gain? and i still dont get how this is proof of anything what so ever!

- Did you not say you'd see me hang innocent or not?(tactic point of view)
and

so we'r gonna adress this again geez loise how many times do have to go over and over the same bloody things ? christ!
No I said I would have no quarrels with it, theres a very big difference!

- Did you not go off on a tangent after i voted with my gut, as you yourself told us to do?

I'm fine with you going with your gut, by all means, however this vandetta is getting silly after I've time and tiem again adressed every little accusation you've attempted to throw at me.
have you adressed any of mine no! lets skip hop over tho's shall we ?

- Could you please post reasons for my hanging as i do?

I dont even udnerstand this one, you mean why you are suspeciouse ?

 

[Olgaline]

The only point that's really been made is that olgaline is very bad, or very good at playing the game..

Even if he is a vanilla townie then it would in no way imply that Toht was mafia. The only thing that's stopping me from voting for him is that I don't believe he's guilty, so my vote remains on Levin who I believe has a better chance of being Mafia.

The only argument to change that would be that I think that if we are destined to hang an innocent he's the person that I see being least use in the next phase as (a) he's a townie not a cop/doctor and (b) I'm going to have to listen to more of this..

Either that or he realised that he set himself up as the primary target of a night kill and is now trying to backpedal. My hunch still after all that is still that the mafia isn't one of you 2. Everyone else has been very quiet and there's not been any reason for the mafia to post while you 2 bicker since your doing their job for them.

well my mistake in this game was to defend myself to vigoresly thus bringing too much focus on me and you cant just throw this on me, What would you do faced with the likes of agro toht ? allas i fell for it this time wont happen again. also i do think he's suspeciouse as he provides no answers to the accusations that I've presented towards him. and yes maybe i do theorize to much and should sastain from doing so. and keep theories to my self as that get me in trouble fast. I offered time and time again to burrie the hatchet and maybe look at some of the others. but he was having none of it!
yes that last bit is bad, but calling me bad player seems very unfair here, it takes two to drag it down! how do you argue with someone that refuses to look at the facts and just relentlessly persues you ?

Everyone else has been very quiet and there's not been any reason for the mafia to post while you 2 bicker since your doing their job for them

exactly! and i've tried to state this but that as the rest has been drowned out by all the repeated attacks on me!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Even if you didn't really answer anything, it's fine enough, atleast you tried, i'm done.

Vote sticks it is.

Reasons:
-Constant claim not to be mafia, too much.
-Trying to get out of me trapping him(his reaction was way over the top) by saying he did it first, way later, around three posts or so.
-Jumping on Levin in the exact same vigorous manner when voted.
-Jumping on me for doing what he himsefl said, when he was the target.
-Keeping vote on me even if he has more reasons to vote for others.

and finally, to me it seems

-Playing the "hang me!" card.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And also, from upper post, even with asking many times, he's yet to produce(as i have) these accusations i have supposedly ignored.

 

[Olgaline]

I jumped on levin!!
i jumped on toht!!
I tried to xxx

priceless!
I love the wording here, none of you see it ?

 

[Olgaline]

yet we'r back at repeating our selves:

my reasons for suspecting toht:
- He been relentlessly attacking one person to push for a lynch
- He basicly null voided the lynch no lynch discussion and getting it his way "note we'r no longer even discussing that option". by dragging me into this long drwn defence of me. "rhis was after I posted the pro's of a no lynch on day one!
- I've offered up a potential accomplis in english. one takes the lead into the assult the other stratigecly places his vote as number 3 and at a stratigic time "if the glove fits"


and on top of that I've kept my mind open to other posibilities other than that setup
in not excluding anyone from suspecion. wich can hardly be said for toht

 

[Olgaline]

Golena I have one question:
If levins mafia, who's his posible accomplis ?
my suspecion before all of this was also on levin.
but as i said earlier, I'm baffelled at his choice to remove his vote from me as it would have made more sence to keep it there and i would have been hung now.

 

[Levin]

First off to respond to Levin's point about me being quieter than usual. This is currently my first Mafia game so either he's basing it on the experiment game or other posts I make. I only really have time to post in the evening so try to put down as much as possible in a short time, then i'll not post for a while. I think i've pertty much followed this behaviour.

Hrm, really? I was sure you had played before? I was certain you were an avid mafia player and a vocal one at that. I must have gotten you mixed up with Olgaline then. My apologies.

It would also make sense to be the first person to vote on someone since it appears less suspicious than being the last person.

It would also make sense to test the waters by shifting votes a bit. An old tactic and not really something that indicates this or that.

Unvote fl3a
Vote Levin

Reasoning..
He's currently slipped nicely under the voting radar, so statistically speaking there's more chance of him being mafia (although it's only a tiny amount).
He's been much quieter than normal, and all his posts have had what I read to be subtle undertones of trying to imply people without really implying them. Almost in a think about voting for X, but I didn't tell you to think about voting for X kind of a way.

I've posted as much as I've been able to. If we are going to count posts, right at this moment we have Tohtori & Olga both at 71 due to being at eachothers' throats. Then we have me at 19. Then you at 10. The rest are on 6, 5, 4 etc. Is it really fair to call me quiet, you think? What does that make you? And yes, I always try to give a reason why I vote on someone, and I try to make others vote that way as well. And yes, I try to reason it in a way that shows that I am not certain - because I never am.

He also removed his vote from me and placed it on Olgaline when Toht started accusing him, but didn't really give any reasons giving him the second, (not really suspicious but helping people along again) vote.
When Olgaline got 3 votes he also removed it, I view this as 50/50 between not wanting an early wrong lynch, or ammo for why he's innocent later by saying he removed it.

I gave plenty of reasons for my vote on Olgaline in my post #64. Look it up. Also in the posts that followed after there, things were building up more and more until Olga seemed a lot more suspicious than I ever thought you were. Hence I changed my vote to Olga. After English's long silence followed by his quickly snuck in vote for Olga though, I started to fear that Olga was innocent (actually I agree with you that both him and Tohtori probably are innocent) and I rushed to unvote him before someone got a fourth vote in. That's why I posted that quickly, followed by another post to explain why. Would be silly to unvote Olgaline in a long post only to have someone else sneak in and lynch him before I was finished posting.

Nothing more than a hunch like I said, but all the arguing hasn't really given me a good feeling for either side, other than 2 people trying to stir up information, which is what the town should be doing.

Stirring up information is indeed all we can do at this point. The big argument here has clouded a lot of other posts, but if you read through things carefully you can catch a few things. By the way Golena, I still got my eye on you.

 

[Levin]

Golena I have one question:
If levins mafia, who's his posible accomplis ?
my suspecion before all of this was also on levin.
but as i said earlier, I'm baffelled at his choice to remove his vote from me as it would have made more sence to keep it there and i would have been hung now.

He probably figures Tohtori would be my accomplice? Or maybe one of the quiet ones. And the reason I removed my vote from you is simple; I did not want to see you hung after seeing someone who appeared more suspicious in my eyes; English. When he voted for you after his long silence, he rose to the top of my list of suspicious people and so I changed my vote to him.

Also, I think you are fighting Tohtori with enough desperation that I really think you are innocent. I think you two should let go of eachother's throats and start looking at the rest of us.

 

[Olgaline]

so basicly after 13 pages and still at day one were left at:
Vote Count
Day 1

Olgaline - 1 - (Old.Tohtori)
Old.Tohtori - 1 - (Olgaline)
Fl3a - 1 - (Golena)

Not Voted: 3 (English, Fl3a, Calo)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

 

[Iceforge]

Vote Count
Day 1

Olgaline - 1 - (Old.Tohtori)
English - 1 - (Levin)
Old.Tohtori - 1 - (Olgaline)
Levin - 1 - (Golena)

Not Voted: 3 (English, Flea, Calo)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

 

[Olgaline]

Also, I think you are fighting Tohtori with enough desperation that I really think you are innocent. I think you two should let go of eachother's throats and start looking at the rest of us.

I'm all for that if he is:
but as I said i will keep defending myself
anything els is kinda redundant

but ok let me take the first step then:

Unvote old.tohtori

 

[Olgaline]

ok so for a sec here, I'll leave toht out of it.
and say this

Levin: you make a preatty strong and direct case against english and I'm inclined to follow it and if your mafia that move you made by unvoting me was brilliant really
so /hatts off if so, yet here's the thing levin, I just cannot shake the little fact you've been a townie how many times in a row now? yeye I know, I know

 

[old.Tohtori]

yet we'r back at repeating our selves:

my reasons for suspecting toht:
- He been relentlessly attacking one person to push for a lynch
- He basicly null voided the lynch no lynch discussion and getting it his way "note we'r no longer even discussing that option". by dragging me into this long drwn defence of me. "rhis was after I posted the pro's of a no lynch on day one!
- I've offered up a potential accomplis in english. one takes the lead into the assult the other stratigecly places his vote as number 3 and at a stratigic time "if the glove fits"


and on top of that I've kept my mind open to other posibilities other than that setup
in not excluding anyone from suspecion. wich can hardly be said for toht

I've pushed you for answers, finally some are given.
I didn't nullvoid anything, i wanted answers, others can think for themselves.
That reasoning of english could be then transferred to levin too, voting order is no definite "accomplish" thing. First mistake is to think i'm mafia at all.
I've kept my mind open for all, make NO mistake about that.
I'm not excluding anyone either, just yours is the strongest case, was from page 3, nothing has changed.

I've had my answers, partly now, and i've no further quarrel(nor did i have!) with you.

One thing everyone is soo keen to miss is that this pushing i do, which is purely what it is, is to get info, not just from one, but from ALL.

I now need a moment to gather that info and do my analysis.

I would've done this last game with ECA, but i was killed before i could

So, i used you Olga, plain and simple, to get answers from other sources such as English, Levin, Golena etc. unvote: olgaline

 

[old.Tohtori]

old.Tohtori

Well this son of a b*tch is either a real crook or a genius disguised as one. I'd vote him if i didn't have this suspicion he's innocent.

Olgaline

Temperamental, misses points, but is very handy in chaos-push theorising. Innocent with few doubts, not worth hanging, but possible suspect(keeping an eye, but nothing aggressive)

Fl3a

Noted my previous % countings and that we should use them(page 1) and as such, is not a good mafia tactic, but is a good tactic for townies(even if my own tactic). Points towards innocent, possible ally to mafia.

-English-
Quiet, probably something to hide, but not a mafia status as he's not done anything to point so. The third vote on olgaline was rushed, and taken back asap he noticed he might be wrong. Innocent or unlikely poor mafia in my books. Probable night-target though.

Golena

Made strong arguments on Levin, fair assesments, seems very neutral and hasn't used any mafia tactics, such as jumping, moving discussion to one side etc. Innocent or very smart.

Calo

Simply same as Golena minus the arguments. Got also pissed off because he had to read so much and got confused. Innocent.

Which brings us to:

Levin

Forcing a lot of "stacked against townies" claims in the beginning. Flimsy maybe, but also a nice way to show "we're screwed" while being on the winning team.

Fed fuel to the fire constantly while i was abshing away at Olgaline. Check all comments, towards Olgaline, pushed Olgaline more, took apart things i didn't(left there on purpose).

Unvote to avoid "you jumped wagon" when third vote came from English and then pointed out English jumping the wagon, perfect blameshift.

First voted on Olgaline to seem like "just bandwagoning" as noone else was there.

This plus Golenas reasonings, Vote: Levin

 

[Olgaline]

old.Tohtori, Temperamental, misses points, relentless, tochy, will never back down first, not worth hanging, but possible suspect

thar! I'd gone and a' fixed it for yous
self-aggrandising becomes no one!

 

[- English -]

Wanna hear my opinion?

Mafia - Olgaline + Tohtori

They doing a good job of pretending to be innocent defending each other, but tohtori is too smart imo and they have planned it to try convince they are innocent.

vote olgaline

i could vote toht but i think olga has been more suspicious

 

[Olgaline]

So then,
my thoughts,

Olga: theorizing and testing reactions until being relentlessly persued, broke off for a while to defend my self. but back to questioning and theorizing

Toht: went for gold and relizing his mistake or that he wouldndt succseed or has come to his sences, and now thinking strait again and trying to save face. was this purely mistaken identity or something more sinester ? far from off the hook but lets entertain the others for a while always plays this aggresive tactic as mafia and as townie, so we cant say anything really yet

fl3a: not much to go on here, quiet and supported lynch over no lynch.

English: Suspeciouse indeed, yet acting very much like english does "generally not very active but that vote on me seemed timed. and without much reasoning, a possible accomplis to toht but nothing solid yet to merrit a vote:

Golena: made strong argument against Levin, yet has kept almost compleatly off the risk radar all together through the day. this makes him kinda dangerouse if mafia.

Levin: Well this would mearly be a hunch, he started off abit unusall for his gaming style, and i remeber thinking strait off that soemthing was abit fishy with levin but I nevr got the chance to persue it as toht went off on his usual rampage dragging the rest off us along tieing me down hand and foot having him and levin then him and calo on my back leaving me open for a quick lynch by levins accomplis if he indeed is mafia, so insterad I was left wasting time defending myself.

but now it's finally getting intresting, with golena, levin and calo playing along more activly and lets see how it plays out.
I'm not convinced about levin yet.

 

[Olgaline]

Wanna hear my opinion?

Mafia - Olgaline + Tohtori

oh I wish!
that would be brilliant

They doing a good job of pretending to be innocent defending each other, but tohtori is too smart imo and they have planned it to try convince they are innocent.

so you state to belive that he's the smart one and the master mind, yet you vote for me? that makes no sence waht so ever!

vote olgaline

i could vote toht but i think olga has been more suspicious

you just said your reason for voting was that we were in it together, and that tohts masterminded it, wich again is your main thesis here, and I'm the more suspeciouse one?

scratches head!

 

[Olgaline]

english that looks like an aproach at the least risky move by you:
and toped off with your sudden olga vote, then retracking after it came apparent that i wasnt about to get lynched makes you very suspeciouse

 

[- English -]

oh I wish!
that would be brilliant




so you state to belive that he's the smart one and the master mind, yet you vote for me? that makes no sence waht so ever!



you just said your reason for voting was that we were in it together, and that tohts masterminded it, wich again is your main thesis here, and I'm the more suspeciouse one?

scratches head!

yes and like i said you are the one looking suspicious to me, i found in previous games people who write huge essays to try prove my theory wrong are actually mafia. Toht is one example from game 3/4 when i guessed him right in the first post.

 

[- English -]

keep trying to persuade people im mafia. Its gonna look bad for you when im lynched and proven to be innocent after your unleashing these accusations that im being supicious etc

 

[Olgaline]

your still not answering the question tho english

if you think that toht and I are in it together yes ?
you vote for me becuase toht and I are the mafia yes ?
you claim that you belive that toht is the brilliant master mind yes ?
and I'm just following his lead yes ?

then where in the name of god lyes the logic in voting for me the goon if you thesis builds apon toht as the master villan ?

and I can asure, that the one thing toht and i can agree on is that we'r not a mafia team.

oh well english so be it:
I'm still concidering the arguments put forth against levin but this jsut strikes me as really odd.

until then

Vote: English

 

[Olgaline]

keep trying to persuade people im mafia. Its gonna look bad for you when im lynched and proven to be innocent after your unleashing these accusations that im being supicious etc

actually I'm hardly doing that am I ?
so I dont know where you get that from.
Questioning your reasons for a vote against me or anyone thats a very normal part of the game mate, and when the reasons put forward dont add up well? even more reason to question them.

 

[- English -]

your still not answering the question tho english

if you think that toht and I are in it together yes ?
you vote for me becuase toht and I are the mafia yes ?
you claim that you belive that toht is the brilliant master mind yes ?
and I'm just following his lead yes ?

then where in the name of god lyes the logic in voting for me the goon if you thesis builds apon toht as the master villan ?

and I can asure, that the one thing toht and i can agree on is that we'r not a mafia team.

oh well english so be it:
I'm still concidering the arguments put forth against levin but this jsut strikes me as really odd.

until then

Vote: English

if you think that toht and I are in it together yes ?
you vote for me becuase toht and I are the mafia yes ?
you claim that you belive that toht is the brilliant master mind yes ?
and I'm just following his lead yes ?

//yes to all

im voting you because your the one who has been acting supicious in this game(imo), i think you are mafia, and if your not my plan fails - then at least i will have tohtoris theory behind - which makes his plan fail aswell.

voting me because im accusing/voting you makes no sense. Your just hoping people will see through my idea and bandwagon me. Fair enough its still the first day and it looks like someone will be lynched, although its not going to look good for you when im proven to be innocent.

take it like a game of chess - think ahead