Off-topic Mafia #8 Game Thread

[old.Tohtori]

And ofcourse i can go eithr way because both are on my "main goons" list so don't even try to twist that.

 

[fl3a]

my thoughts on this day so far:

what olgaline and tohtori did was in no way in the best interest of the town. i mean, they might have been able to gather some information on each other, but it was basically just passion posting, instead of brains posting - exactly the same situation as ECA vs tohtori in the last game. for 10 pages or something they were pretty much the only ones posting, talking so much that it was hard to follow. as people have said 'it was hard to post and have it noticed' while those two were going at it. so what that gives us, is pretty much nothing. we have suspicious behaviour from olgaline, and we have tohtori being his usual self, pursuing every tiny error like an inquisitor on speed.

then we have the blaming of levin. i didnt really see the reasoning for it, but could anyone tell me what # post the reasons were in? i only saw people posting theories that levin could possibly be someones partner, and then the voting for him - olgaline going flip-flop, golena (the one with the most carefully and logically constructed arguments so far) saying that his vote on levin is there to stay, and tohtori also saying, that he thinks levin is mafia. im just writing these up here so i/we dont forget this behaviour, and so that i could comment once someone can link me to what post gives reasons for levins mafia-ness.

then golena gets voted. its of course basic instinct to defend yourself by attacking the one who is attacking you, but i think whats more in the interest of the town is to not vote golena off. as someone said 'do we vote for the person who we think has the highest chance of being mafia, or do we vote for the person we do not want to be in the game on day 2'. i for one would rather see golena in the game tomorrow. so calo and levin, if you are innocent, think about that. you have to remember, that this game isnt 2 mafia vs 7 townies, its 2 mafia vs doc,cop,3 townies

english is playing like he usually is in my eyes. no offence mate, but i just have never thought english to be very logical or careful in his actions in mafia games.

calo seems eager to lynch. i think its just like olgaline with his yoyo voting on levin, just calo did it in his mind, because he doesnt post as much as some other people here.

what we have to remember is that the game isnt 2v1v1v1v1v1, its 2v5 and we have the cop and doc on our side. townies, play for the town, not for yourself. and my vote will be for the town. both because i think that there is a reasonable chance of him being mafia, and also because i think that in my eyes he is a bit of a liability to keep who has no chance of being a townie power role. and he himself said 'innocent or not, you are a dangerous player'. that time he said it about tohtori, now im using it to pursue him:

vote olgaline

 

[old.Tohtori]

fl3a i was testing the tactic, i don't know if it works or not, that all.

Just wanted to clear that up.

Interested to see how it works in information gathering. I don't think it hurt the town though, and peoples posts were all noted by me atleast, it's quite easy to spot them.

If it's beneficial for town or not, that's opinionated ofcourse, but atleast give it a chance. All i'm asking.

Now back to the topic...

 

[old.Tohtori]

By the by, as the votes are, anyone votes for Olga(to make it three) and i'll vote there.
Anyone votes for levin now, good too.

So yes, i can be the executioner vote here.

As i've said, going with gut, and i believe these two are bad to the bone.

 

[Iceforge]

Votecount
Day 1

Levin - 3 - (Old.Tohtori, Olgaline, Golena)
Golena - 2 - (Levin, Calo)
Olgaline - 2 - (English, Fl3a)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

 

[Calo]

Dunno if that was a good tactic toht, after a while i just skipped most of your post and olga's ones because it was getting a bit boring!

And flea, you are right about olga , but something in my mind says that I believe him to be a vanilla townie. (which he also said in a post but doesn't mean anything) then again... all the unvoting and voting does make him the pefect crime partner.

And yes I want Golena still on the team, althou i don't trust him

Leaves me with 1 final target : levin

Unvote Golena
Vote Levin

 

[old.Tohtori]

Dunno if that was a good tactic toht, after a while i just skipped most of your post and olga's ones because it was getting a bit boring!

True, maybe it was bit too aggressive. There's good points to the tactic, but needs some serious refining.

Ahwell...

 

[Levin]

It's so clear that Golena and Tohtori are mafia here. Am I the only one who sees it?

Anyway, with three votes on me I guess I better speak up now, or you'll lose your cop.

Yes, I am the cop.

Way to go, guys. Now i'll get roleblocked until they manage to kill the doc. And I fucking dare anyone to come and counterclaim. I'm starting to see Iceforge's point with how easy it is to see connections when you have info others don't.

 

[Levin]

Oh, I see Calo voted while I posted. Ah well, your loss guys. Have fun. And try to open your eyes from now on.

 

[Calo]

If that's true , we indeed better learn from this

 

[Levin]

By the way it seems i got killed for taking lunch, and not being able to defend myself in time. Ah, the irony.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh, I see Calo voted while I posted. Ah well, your loss guys. Have fun. And try to open your eyes from now on.

I'd suggest you opening your eyes too.

Clear i'm mafia, heh, just wait. Silly man.

If you had put more effort into telling me why you're innocent instead of "you're mafia!" pointing, i could've easily been persuaded.

 

[Levin]

I'd suggest you opening your eyes too.

Clear i'm mafia, heh, just wait. Silly man.

If you had put more effort into telling me why you're innocent instead of "you're mafia!" pointing, i could've easily been persuaded.

I did, you just chose to ignore it. I'm not one to repeat myself a'la Tohtori/Olgaline argument style. I prefer to refer to posts I already made, which i did several times.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I did, you just chose to ignore it. I'm not one to repeat myself a'la Tohtori/Olgaline argument style. I prefer to refer to posts I already made, which i did several times.

Then atleast do so, number?

Only thing you psoted on ym reasoning for you were accusations.

"You're so wrong, i can't believe you're this wrong etc".

 

[fl3a]

can someone link to the original post theorising why levin is mafia, please? i still havent found it

 

[old.Tohtori]

Tohtori, for being so good at this game as you claim you are, it's surprising how off the mark you are here regarding me and Olga being a combo.

I'm leaning more and more towards Golena and Tohtori being mafia here. They haven't touched eachother with any suspicions, and Tohtori followed Golena's rather weak argument and vote on me way too easily. When I called Tohtori on it, he quickly pulled his vote back and placed it back on Olgaline, explaining it with it being his new tactic. See how everything can be twisted to fit into what you want to believe?

I respect you Tohtori, but this time I don't buy it.

Just accusations after accusations, where the only "defence" was that "look at it from my innocent pov".

Not to mention you twisted the posting order there, when i said my tactic BEFORE you "called" on me.

Jesus, take some responsibility.

 

[Levin]

Then atleast do so, number?

Only thing you psoted on ym reasoning for you were accusations.

"You're so wrong, i can't believe you're this wrong etc".

No, what I did was accuse you and Golena of being mafia AND giving reasons for it. But I have to say it's funny speaking of metagaming. You (Tohtori) hated when Olga did it to you.. and yet Golena and others did the same to me claiming i "post less than usual" and using it as a reason to vote for me.

That's what's pissing me off a bit here.

 

[Levin]

Jesus, take some responsibility.

Well, didn't that come from the right mouth. Anyway, i'm dead. Stop arguing with me.

 

[old.Tohtori]

That's what's pissing me off a bit here.

Well, didn't that come from the right mouth. Anyway, i'm dead. Stop arguing with me.

And i didn't vote for you because of others. Get it through your head.

You're not dead yet, you ignore again all my points ont hat upper post, you f*cked up jsut 'cause you thought i'm mafia. that got you killed.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I've not done a single voting decicion based on metagaming or people being offline/online. I've explained my points YET SOMEHOW i'm just following someones leash and everyone seems to ignore ALL points why I vote the way I vote.

 

[Levin]

I've not done a single voting decicion based on metagaming or people being offline/online. I've explained my points YET SOMEHOW i'm just following someones leash and everyone seems to ignore ALL points why I vote the way I vote.

I never said I was pissed off with you. You didn't use it as a reason to vote for me. And i'm not really *that* pissed off.. just feeling a bit like it didn't matter what i did. If i post to much i "fuel the fire", too little i get metagamed. Anyway.. good luck guys and have fun! And remember it's a GAME!

 

[old.Tohtori]

I never said I was pissed off with you. You didn't use it as a reason to vote for me. And i'm not really *that* pissed off.. just feeling a bit like it didn't matter what i did. If i post to much i "fuel the fire", too little i get metagamed. Anyway.. good luck guys and have fun! And remember it's a GAME!

The context was accusing though. As if i voted for you because of Golenas etc doing something.

Fuel the fire was a valid point at the time, part of my push tactic.

 

[Levin]

You're not dead yet, you ignore again all my points ont hat upper post, you f*cked up jsut 'cause you thought i'm mafia. that got you killed.

I knew it would blow up in my face, but it's my firm belief that either you or Golena or BOTH are mafia and if i'm right well then i'm not going to back down just because i might get hung for it. I should have played my cop card before I went for lunch, I admit, but I hadn't counted on Calo suddenly stepping in and killing me off. So yes, that was my mistake.

 

[Levin]

The context was accusing though. As if i voted for you because of Golenas etc doing something.

You're damn right it was accusing. I believe you to be mafia! There's really no point in discussing it, since you'd never admit to it anyway. So... let's take a breath and get on with things.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I knew it would blow up in my face, but it's my firm belief that either you or Golena or BOTH are mafia and if i'm right well then i'm not going to back down just because i might get hung for it. I should have played my cop card before I went for lunch, I admit, but I hadn't counted on Calo suddenly stepping in and killing me off. So yes, that was my mistake.

Yeah, i made a mistake(if you're indeed a cop) by not keeping on Olgaline. I cana dmit to that. But otherwise...no.

You're damn right it was accusing. I believe you to be mafia! There's really no point in discussing it, since you'd never admit to it anyway. So... let's take a breath and get on with things.

Meant accusing of metagaming.

 

[Levin]

Oh and Tohtori, now you see what I mean by having to chose how I viewed you.

You say you're very successful at this game etc etc and yet *I* knew you were off the track here - OR that you were mafia. So.. in the end we'll see which it was.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh and Tohtori, now you see what I mean by having to chose how I viewed you.

You say you're very successful at this game etc etc and yet *I* knew you were off the track here - OR that you were mafia. So.. in the end we'll see which it was.

Yeah but your only reasoning for that was "look at it from my innocent pov", and that's no reason.

And by the way, again, wrong posting order.

I only said i'm succesful towards the "he's previously been mafia" thing as a "stop using it".

 

[Levin]

Meant accusing of metagaming.

I don't see how you could think I was accusing you of that. In that post (I dont care to look up which post number it was) I was saying it was strange how you so easily followed Golena's weak argument and vote for me and that you usually don't ignore posts (i.e. the post I made to counter Golena's accussations towards me).

How did you interpret that as me accusing you of metagaming!?

 

[old.Tohtori]

I don't see how you could think I was accusing you of that. In that post (I dont care to look up which post number it was) I was saying it was strange how you so easily followed Golena's weak argument and vote for me and that you usually don't ignore posts (i.e. the post I made to counter Golena's accussations towards me).

How did you interpret that as me accusing you of metagaming!?

There's the problem, i didn't FOLLOW golena, i voted on MY accord. Those, the things i said as reasons, you never disclaimed or evne comment on except maybe inside some other post.

The accusation came from "you said olga is metagaming yet you follow metagaming people" when i'm not.

As in, you claimed i voted for you because of offline/online activity etc.

 

[Levin]

There's the problem, i didn't FOLLOW golena, i voted on MY accord. Those, the things i said as reasons, you never disclaimed or evne comment on except maybe inside some other post.

The accusation came from "you said olga is metagaming yet you follow metagaming people" when i'm not.

As in, you claimed i voted for you because of offline/online activity etc.

I assume you mean Golena, not Olga.

And that's just it. You voted on your own accord, I assume to test some theory of yours? The pushing thing? Did it work then? How do you expect me to defend against someone who doesn't even have a theory on me other than wanting to "push" ? If that was really the case and you didn't actually think I was guilty, you'd have pulled your vote before Calo got me killed.

And I haven't said a word about metagaming until now, after i'm dead. You can call whatever reason you like that you voted for me. But to me it looked like you and Golena are in kahootch. No metagaming, just kahootch. And I still believe it.