Off-topic Mafia #8 Game Thread

[- English -]

actually I'm hardly doing that am I ?
so I dont know where you get that from.
Questioning your reasons for a vote against me or anyone thats a very normal part of the game mate, and when the reasons put forward dont add up well? even more reason to question them.

its obvious that is what your trying to acheive though. Why else would you vote someone, to not get you lynched?

edit; i could say its part of the game to persuade others to lynch... just like it is to quesiton or whatever you said in the previous post.

 

[Olgaline]

he's the obviouse master mind and from that I become most suspeciouse ?
mate that just dosent make sence!

 

[Olgaline]

its obvious that is what your trying to acheive though. Why else would you vote someone, to not get you lynched?

edit; i could say its part of the game to persuade others to lynch... just like it is to quesiton or whatever you said in the previous post.

I've been down this road so many times now it's unbeliveble
yes it's called retaliation: simple as that! nothing more to it

You do know I have an open door at Levin atm right?
yet I'm still not convinced about anyones guilt as off yet
get it by now?

but sure we can revisist you and your actions if you want?

 

[Golena]

Mod Votecount

English's reasoning for his vote does seem a little weird to me, although I do understand it.

It doesn't seem like a very mafia move unless he was partnering Levin as the mafia. I'm going to go with English as the likely mafia partner from what i've seen so far, although i've not really got a very strong feeling about it.

My vote still stays on Levin since i've seen nothing so far that makes me really want to change it.

It's also worth remembering that townies have no idea who the mafia are, so simply that someone pushed for someone to be lynched on day 1 isn't really a factor in deciding that they were guilty on day 2 since they had no way of knowing if they were in fact a townie. Looking for who people don't want to join a lynch is far more informative, which is my English is heading up my suspect list picking the 2 most statistically unlikely people (given my thoughts it's not a very good but dangerous mafia play) as his primary targets.

He also voted for Olgaline, My feeling is that at the moment, if he was protecting Levin, Olgaline is going to be the easiest to shift the lynch onto so his vote makes sense as well.

 

[Olgaline]

golena your making alot off sence atm:
and I'm terrified at the prospect if you end up being one of the mobsters:

Unvote: English
Vote: Levin

closes eyes

 

[Olgaline]

only bit that has me abit worried is you seem somewhat protective of toht.

 

[Olgaline]

It's also worth remembering that townies have no idea who the mafia are, so simply that someone pushed for someone to be lynched on day 1 isn't really a factor in deciding that they were guilty on day 2

or what were you tring to say or ratehr why was this important to mention?

 

[Golena]

Well i'm off to sleep for the night.

I probably won't be able to post before about 6pm GMT tommorow, so my silence isn't me trying to sneak under a radar, just me having a full time job.

 

[Olgaline]

the vote count would be:

Levin: golena, toht, Olga "in that order"
English: Levin
Golena: Fl3a
Olga: English

note voting (calo)

 

[Golena]

or what were you tring to say or ratehr why was this important to mention?

I'll respond to this first tho.

There's been several posts (like English's accusation towards you I think is the most recent) that said it will look bad for you if you lynch me and I turn out to be innocent tommorow thrown around.

I'm simply pointing out that it's a bad argument, since the townies are lynching blind, so any lynch from a townie is potentially towards an innocent. Therefore just because you start the lynch on English, or me on Levin.. if they turn out to be innocent it shouldn't really be taken as a sign of guilt. I was just trying to point out the flaw in an argument that's been used more than once now.

 

[Olgaline]

I'm still puzzelled by Levin pulling the vote when he did "as to guilt"
and voting for his most likely accomplis and sticking to that vote:
even calling him out on his vote on me and using that as reason to vote for him
seems an awfull lot of trouble just to proove his innocence ?

yet english pushing for me does seem odd and with really odd reasoning
is that maybe it might just as well be to push for my vote on levin ?

I need more proof
Unvote Levin

 

[Olgaline]

I'll respond to this first tho.

There's been several posts (like English's accusation towards you I think is the most recent) that said it will look bad for you if you lynch me and I turn out to be innocent tommorow thrown around.

I'm simply pointing out that it's a bad argument, since the townies are lynching blind, so any lynch from a townie is potentially towards an innocent. Therefore just because you start the lynch on English, or me on Levin.. if they turn out to be innocent it shouldn't really be taken as a sign of guilt. I was just trying to point out the flaw in an argument that's been used more than once now.

ah ok, fair enough

 

[Olgaline]

oh ffs!
I feel like a bloody bird in in the clothing department!
Vote: Levin

This is a very uncertain vote on my part,
but i guess when it all comes down to it a hunch is all we really have.

 

[Golena]

Actually one more post from me tonight, then i'm heading to sleep

My vote will remain on Levin until this day finishes.. and here's my reasoning.


In order to lynch someone you either need the votes of 4 townies, 3 townies and 1 mafia, or 2 townies and 2 mafia.

Now getting the votes of 4 townies is pretty much the only way of disposing of a mafia first day, unless the mafia is feeling risky with a very good diversion, in which case you could theoretically have 3 townies and 1 mafia, but not 2 towines and 2 mafia.

That means that the more people shift votes around the more likely it is that the mafia will have the chance to knock off an innocent. With 2 townie votes the mafia can choose to dispose of someone, where as the townies don't have that ability towards the mafia. The best shot is to therefore pick a target at some point during the day and stick with it. Every time you change your mind, you lower the odds of hitting correctly, unless something really suspicious happens.

 

[Olgaline]

aye well,
I'm gona go back to not voting for now:
It wont changing anything for now except
test a theory I have



Unvote: levin

 

[Olgaline]

wich leaves us at:
Levin: golena, toht,
English: Levin
Golena: Fl3a
Olga: English

note voting (calo, olga)

 

[Levin]

Golena, did you completely miss my post where I adressed your reasonings for voting me? Or are you ignoring it or chosing not to comment on it at all? You say you have a full time job and can't post as much as others. Well guess what - so do I. If your only reason to vote on me is that I don't "post as much as I usually do" then.. please, open your eyes a bit and realize that others have shifting lives too. If i was mafia, I'd do all I could do remain the "same" as I've always been. A few posts less in this game doesn't mean i'm mafia. And also it was rather hard to get a word in edgewise in Tohtori's and Olga's argument.

I had a couple things that concerned me about Olgaline (the things i listed in post #64) and I felt they got pretty much addressed. Now you're just making me want to switch my vote back to you, as per my initial gut feeling. What's strange is how you seem to be leading Tohtori in a nice little leash. He doesn't usually ignore posts either - but in this case you both have.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Unvote: Levin
Vote: Olgaline

Tried to be reasonable, explained my actions even, but alst few posts and especially the yoyo voting of Levin and hoping someone would jump and still trying to seem innocent...too much.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Levin i haven't ignored any posts, as i've said, this is a tactic i've always wanted to try and did with last game(just couldn't get the info out due to being killed by mafia).

 

[Levin]

It's also worth remembering that townies have no idea who the mafia are, so simply that someone pushed for someone to be lynched on day 1 isn't really a factor in deciding that they were guilty on day 2 since they had no way of knowing if they were in fact a townie.

Looks like you're covering your bases here. Perhaps because you already know I'm innocent?

I probably won't be able to post before about 6pm GMT tommorow, so my silence isn't me trying to sneak under a radar, just me having a full time job.

Basicly you're doing what I've been doing (having quiet periods due to work/life) - but for some reason when it comes to me it's mafia behaviour. When it's you it's all reasonable. Hrm. I agree that it's very reasonable, but it's not reasonable that you would use it as ammo against me when you do exactly the same thing.

It's natural that those who get into a 1vs1 argument has the highest postcount and indeed I did chip in with a few posts there only to have a later comment directed at me about "fueling the fire". Damned if I do, damned if I don't it seems. Be accused of "not posting as much as usual" or of "fuelling the fire". I don't know which is worse. It feels very much like you're mafia now, Golena, but.. I've switched votes twice now and casting a lonely vote on you right now seems a bit pointless since nobody else seem to suspect you.

 

[Levin]

Oh screw it. I'm going back to my original "gut feel" vote. The circle is complete, or something.

Unvote: English

Vote: Golena

 

[Iceforge]

EDIT:

Oh screw it. I'm going back to my original "gut feel" vote. The circle is complete, or something.

Unvote: English

Vote: Golena

You couldn't wait til AFTER I had done a postcount? now I got to change it, grrr....

Vote Count
Day 1

Olgaline - 2 - (Old.Tohtori, English)
Golena - 1 - (Levin)
Levin - 1 - (Golena)

Not Voted: 3 (Olgaline, Fl3a, Calo)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

Noted that some of the votecounts performed by players was very different from mine.
If I missed somebodies vote, please direct me to the post by number, because browsing through the pages I just couldnt find anything I had missed.

 

[Levin]

Noted that some of the votecounts performed by players was very different from mine.
If I missed somebodies vote, please direct me to the post by number, because browsing through the pages I just couldnt find anything I had missed.

I noted that too. I think it was due to sloppiness on the players' part, not on yours. And sorry for making you redo your votecount.

 

[old.Tohtori]

thar! I'd gone and a' fixed it for yous
self-aggrandising becomes no one!

By the by, drop it already. I explained what i did and if you would entertain the notion for ONE second, you'd see it's a good and valid tactic.

Gave info on Levin, on Golena, on English and Calo, and even fl3a.

Just because you were the bait i was dangling there, doesn't make it "oh but he's just trying to save face".

Happen to know how mafia think, happen to be quite succesful in these games, new tactic, will see if pans out.

I'm quite sure of Olga+Levin combo now, especially since Olgas voting on Levin was so eradic and yoyo style. Wanting to be sure he's safe if Levin is hung and not wanting to make it tooe easy.

About me and english being mafia:

I would've voted english off, become a "innocent", then kill Olgaline during the night(just because it would be too obvious for me to do it) and use the confusion to get Levin/Golena hung. Easypeasy. If you REALLY want to look at previous games, there you go, i'm not that stupid.

Also, English would've jumped on the Levin train when there were three votes, only reason noone did, is because Olga as mafia was voting for his buddy already.

 

[Calo]

Vote Golena

Think he's pushing too hard on the levin part.

Altho I do know that olga is getting suspicous more and more.
With the constant voting and unvoting..

Will see how it goes.

 

[Levin]

By the by, drop it already. I explained what i did and if you would entertain the notion for ONE second, you'd see it's a good and valid tactic.

Gave info on Levin, on Golena, on English and Calo, and even fl3a.

Just because you were the bait i was dangling there, doesn't make it "oh but he's just trying to save face".

Happen to know how mafia think, happen to be quite succesful in these games, new tactic, will see if pans out.

I'm quite sure of Olga+Levin combo now, especially since Olgas voting on Levin was so eradic and yoyo style. Wanting to be sure he's safe if Levin is hung and not wanting to make it tooe easy.

About me and english being mafia:

I would've voted english off, become a "innocent", then kill Olgaline during the night(just because it would be too obvious for me to do it) and use the confusion to get Levin/Golena hung. Easypeasy. If you REALLY want to look at previous games, there you go, i'm not that stupid.

Also, English would've jumped on the Levin train when there were three votes, only reason noone did, is because Olga as mafia was voting for his buddy already.

Tohtori, for being so good at this game as you claim you are, it's surprising how off the mark you are here regarding me and Olga being a combo. Surely you understand that in my eyes, knowing myself is innocent, this makes me have to chose between you being not so good at this game as you claim you are, or you being mafia. So putting yourself in my shoes and assuming I am innocent, which do you think I should believe? I chose to believe you are mafia.

I'm leaning more and more towards Golena and Tohtori being mafia here. They haven't touched eachother with any suspicions, and Tohtori followed Golena's rather weak argument and vote on me way too easily. When I called Tohtori on it, he quickly pulled his vote back and placed it back on Olgaline, explaining it with it being his new tactic. See how everything can be twisted to fit into what you want to believe?

I respect you Tohtori, but this time I don't buy it. My vote remains on Golena though, because I'm more sure of him than I am of you (you could just be innocent and off the mark). And of course, now you will use this as me defending Olgaline, putting me in a "vote for him or you'll be suspect #1 tomorrow" situation. That's okay though, I believe in voting according to who I believe is most likely to be guilty, and I am not above changing votes as more info comes into the open. I suspected Olgaline a lot in the beginning, and while I still think some of his behaviour is strange, Golena's and yours are topping that in my eyes.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Tohtori, for being so good at this game as you claim you are, it's surprising how off the mark you are here regarding me and Olga being a combo. Surely you understand that in my eyes, knowing myself is innocent, this makes me have to chose between you being not so good at this game as you claim you are, or you being mafia. So putting yourself in my shoes and assuming I am innocent, which do you think I should believe? I chose to believe you are mafia.

I'm leaning more and more towards Golena and Tohtori being mafia here. They haven't touched eachother with any suspicions, and Tohtori followed Golena's rather weak argument and vote on me way too easily. When I called Tohtori on it, he quickly pulled his vote back and placed it back on Olgaline, explaining it with it being his new tactic. See how everything can be twisted to fit into what you want to believe?

First, i voted for you on my own accord, not because of Golena. Go see. Golenas was the last and adding factor to my vote.

Second, i explained my new tactic as i voted for you.

Third, i explained my tactic as i voted for you, so how could i "claim it a tactic" AFTER you "called" me on it?

And finally, where did you "call" me on it?

Weak attempt.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Unless you mean "leading on leash" silly argument as "calling it", which had nothing to do with me voting on Olgaline because of the yoyo voting.

 

[Olgaline]

heh so now letting levin have a chance at replying before I throw my vote on him makes me his accomplis ?

and your right I will drop it for now as i'm not gonna comment any further on that so called tactic you used.

but why are you so eager to have someone hung?
Now I state quite clearly I was tasting a theory, and Levins responce hasnt given much to help him, but i was still not gonna make the mistakes i did last and letting my lack of patience cloud my judgememt.

fact still remains that englishes sudden vote on me after your and golena votes can be viewed in serveral ways

A: He's protecting Levin B: he's Tryed to Pressure me into throwing my vote on levin to avoid being lynched mtself.

I'm willing to entertain both options, and thus I chose to give levin half a chance before stringing him up, yet english works with alot of posibilities with toht, with levin and with golena.
Toht tho is looking more and more a likely candidate
still very agressivly pushing for a lynch, if we cant get olga then levin, ok cant get levin lets try olga again.

but allas I'll still stick to playing my own game instead even if that might end up getting me hung so be it.

Vote: Levin

reason, Usually Levin is more agressive so his play style has me thrown off, is this due to being a cop/doc ? or something mroe sinester i do not know but appart from toht/english combo he's the best bet atm

 

[old.Tohtori]

heh so now letting levin have a chance at replying before I throw my vote on him makes me his accomplis ?

but why are you so eager to have someone hung?

Toht tho is looking more and more a likely candidate
still very agressivly pushing for a lynch, if we cant get olga then levin, ok cant get levin lets try olga again.

These i can comment on:

Not about you "giving a chance", you'd se it from outer eprspective too: Vote for levin to save own hide, but take it quickly off to avoid him being hung too easy. Kinda like "a..n..may..e..." You know? That's why i voted for you, the reasons listed on the "pushing competition" are meaningless. It was simply to get info.

About me "trying to get someone hung", ofcourse you'd see it as such because you're the target. Don't let it cloud your mind. I'm going with my gut, my info and my suspicions. There's no "gotta hang 'em all" here.

Not eager to get someone hung, eager to get day over with ALREADY, as i bet many are, yet keeping my choice as MY choice. I can vote levin too, either way, both of you are on my list so...unvote: olgaline
Vote: Levin