Off-topic Mafia #8 Game Thread

[old.Tohtori]

I assume you mean Golena, not Olga.

And that's just it. You voted on your own accord, I assume to test some theory of yours? The pushing thing? Did it work then? How do you expect me to defend against someone who doesn't even have a theory on me other than wanting to "push" ? If that was really the case and you didn't actually think I was guilty, you'd have pulled your vote before Calo got me killed.

And I haven't said a word about metagaming until now, after i'm dead. You can call whatever reason you like that you voted for me. But to me it looked like you and Golena are in kahootch. No metagaming, just kahootch. And I still believe it.

No, i mean your post "you claimed olga was metagaming yet vote like metagaming people". That was the accusation.

I voted on my accord, DUE to me testing a tactic. I thought i pointed out reasons out there, go see for yourself(as you so politely told me), yet you didn't defend those at all, just kept saying "why you following golena?"

 

[Levin]

No, i mean your post "you claimed olga was metagaming yet vote like metagaming people". That was the accusation.

Ah, got ya.

I voted on my accord, DUE to me testing a tactic. I thought i pointed out reasons out there, go see for yourself(as you so politely told me), yet you didn't defend those at all, just kept saying "why you following golena?"

Well, you know, there are different ways of defending. Since you reasons to vote for me felt rather unclear/i didn't know how to adress them, i decided to go on the offensive instead, telling people that I actually do suspect you along with Golena. I wasn't going to mention you at all until you voted for me, so it fitted together with how I felt I should defend myself. I knew it would likely blow up in my face, but it is my hope that it will open people's eyes a little.

And now... string me up and let me rest in peace! Hang me already! Getting too tempted to post here now that I should be dead.

 

[Levin]

Oh just one more thing Tohtori (since you are the necrophiliac here enjoying my company hehe).

I was never trying to convince you or Golena. I was trying to make the others see why they should vote on you guys instead of me. Does that make more sense then?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh just one more thing Tohtori (since you are the necrophiliac here enjoying my company hehe).

I was never trying to convince you or Golena. I was trying to make the others see why they should vote on you guys instead of me. Does that make more sense then?

Oh yes, just that it's emm...well...seems it always feels like i'm the bad guy for doing something(as in, thinking you guys are evil, telling "vote for them") yet the "good" guys defence is "i'm just telling them to vote for you 'cause you're evil.

You know?

Corpse of Levin -><-Me.

 

[Levin]

Corpse of Levin -><-Me.

*moans*

 

[Levin]

*lights up a fag*

You know Tohtori.. I assumed you were following Golena's reasoning because you said "That actually makes sense" to his post before you voted on me. So at least to some part you followed his faulty argument, which I HAD rebutted earlier. Hence it seemed that you ignored my rebuttal.

AAaanyway... *goes back to being a corpse*

 

[old.Tohtori]

*lights up a fag*

You know Tohtori.. I assumed you were following Golena's reasoning because you said "That actually makes sense" to his post before you voted on me. So at least to some part you followed his faulty argument, which I HAD rebutted earlier. Hence it seemed that you ignored my rebuttal.

AAaanyway... *goes back to being a corpse*

*swings the rope around*

Bloody republicans and their faulty vans...

Yeah, i did say that it made sense, but it was way before i posted my reasons. Golenas reasoning was partly the reason for the vote too, but in no way deciding for me.

Olgalines yoyo vote and making it seem he's in kahootch with you, made it more so.

 

[fl3a]

well i dont know what to say right now, this chatting between tohtori and the corpse of levin seems to me to be bordering on game mechanic abuse

 

[old.Tohtori]

well i dont know what to say right now, this chatting between tohtori and the corpse of levin seems to me to be bordering on game mechanic abuse

Dusktalk is allowed completely.

Adn we're just talking about what has occurred.

 

[Levin]

Well, as Tohtori said I'm technically not dead yet, but... well I suppose the topic hasn't been covered by the rules, and if it's iffy I will apologize here and shut my trap from now on.

 

[- English -]

like i said toht and olga are mafia. noone believes me wooop

 

[Iceforge]

Vote Count
Day 1

Levin - 4 - (Old.Tohtori, Olgaline, Golena, Calo)
Olgaline - 2 - (English, Fl3a)
Golena - 1 - (Levin)

It's a lynch!
Quickly Levin is overpowered and hanged from the noose, the townspeople rushing to search through Levin's house and belongings, finding out that his true identity:
Levin, Town Cop
Everybody parting, whistling, pretending not to be Cop killers, going home for the night. tomorrow they would meet again.

Start Night 1! All with nightchoises send them to me ASAP. Deadline for night 1 is Friday at 20pm CET. Do not post in thread until I declare start of day 2!

EDIT: Oh, yeah, and all the chat you want in thread until I post dead scene. Not specificly addressed by the rules right now, but was covered in a previous game. Will add it to rules for next round.

 

[Iceforge]

Morning came to the town.
As they meet up in the townhall, they found a gruesome sight; On the floor lied English dead. Searching through his belongings, they found out he was: English, Regular Townie.

Now just Old.Tohtori, Olgaline, Fl3a Golena and Calo left alive.

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch

Start Day 2! All who is alive can now post and vote again!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well figures. English claims me and golena as mafia as his final words, and then "i kill english!".

Bah...like i'd be that stupid.

Two people i wouldn't kill if i was mafia, Olgaline and English as that would certainly put me on the spot.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And Olgaline wouldn't be that stupid either, just killing english 'cause he was the only one voting for him.

fl3a probably just went with olgaline.

Have to say, golena and calo start looking like prime suspects, all things considered and Levins deathly gugrles added.

But i'm not sure about Golena, so, Vote: Calo

 

[Calo]

And Olgaline wouldn't be that stupid either, just killing english 'cause he was the only one voting for him.

fl3a probably just went with olgaline.

Have to say, golena and calo start looking like prime suspects, all things considered and Levins deathly gugrles added.

But i'm not sure about Golena, so, Vote: Calo

Vote on me because i "killed" Levin? (which you also voted on).

I think English was the perfect target for everyone. Why would olgaline kill you? Everyone would see to him. Just saying that It sounds a bit stupid because English didn't say alot so as we can see in the previous games, perfect nightkill target.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Vote on me because i "killed" Levin? (which you also voted on).

I think English was the perfect target for everyone. Why would olgaline kill you? Everyone would see to him. Just saying that It sounds a bit stupid because English didn't say alot so as we can see in the previous games, perfect nightkill target.

Levin has nothing to do with it. I'd have to hang myself if it was.

Olgaline wouldn't kill english.
I wouldn't kill english or olga.
fl3a seemed to be following..

Well f'ck, actually that would be a perfect cover for fl3a. Nightkill the guy he votes Olga with to seem innocent.

Unvote: Calo

Have to check some more.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ohyeah and english claimed me and olga, meant that.

 

[old.Tohtori]

About why would olga kill me, exactly.

Olga couldn't kill me for the fight, enither could i olga.
Olga couldn't kill english 'cause of his vote, neither could i for the mafia claim.

Also, if English was such a sure bet for a nightkill, why didn't the doc save him?

 

[Golena]

First off we are once again in a position where an innocent voting for an innocent at this stage loses the game.

From that point of view the fact that Tohtori was so quick to stick his vote on someone (before anyone else had even posted in fact) worries me. I'd expect him to be more careful at this stage.

Of course if he was mafia then he'd know it wouldn't be an insta lose scenario. I'm going to have a look back through day one and try to work out what's most likely.

 

[old.Tohtori]

First off we are once again in a position where an innocent voting for an innocent at this stage loses the game.

From that point of view the fact that Tohtori was so quick to stick his vote on someone (before anyone else had even posted in fact) worries me. I'd expect him to be more careful at this stage.

Of course if he was mafia then he'd know it wouldn't be an insta lose scenario. I'm going to have a look back through day one and try to work out what's most likely.

I was just quick 'cause i want to move on and i'm betting a novote isn't in order?

 

[Golena]

I was just quick 'cause i want to move on and i'm betting a novote isn't in order?

I'm not really buying this. You want the game over so quickly that your prepared to end it without listening to any arguments at all from anyone.

It just sounds very out of character for you, and i'm basing this on just your approach so far in this game before I get accused of yet more metagaming.

 

[Golena]

Here's what I believe to be the list of who voted for who on day 1 (hope I didn't miss any votes as I was going through). I'm not sure if it helps but I figured i'd post it for my own reference anyway.

Calo: Golena Levin
English: Olgaline
Fl3a: Olgaline
Golena: Fl3a and Levin
Levin: Golena Olgaline English
Olgaline: Tohtori English Levin
Tohtori: Olgaline Levin

 

[Golena]

So from my eyes as an innocent 2 people are guilty and 2 are innocent, one of those people is also the doctor.

I can't see that all 4 townies managed to get together and vote off another innocent while the mafia voted for someone else, that simply seems too unlikely to me, so I guess I don't think Fl3a and Calo are partners.

This means that either Toht or Olga are mafia. The fact that English said they were both Mafia also makes sense for why he was killed. It's the perfect cover up for both of them, leaving me and Calo as the likely suspects, something which Toht instantly jumped on. English was likely to vote on one of them the next day, that would be as good a reason to kill him as any since the argument Toht pulled straight out of the bag to defend himself was the easy way to not make it look incriminating.

Now Calo said English was the perfect nightkill, yet failed to defend him. That makes me think he probably wasn't the doctor either. Olga hinted towards being the doctor earlier on day 1, then turned it round to him being a townie when coming under pressure. As a way of defending himself from being killed at night that would of been just about his only option however.

I'm going to go with Olga as the doc and Toht as the mafia for now. Who is partnering him, calo or Fl3a i've not yet decided. I'll not place my vote until some other people have had a chance to comment however, since as I pointed out, if i'm wrong it's game over, and i'd like to hear Toht's defence before going that far.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm not really buying this. You want the game over so quickly that your prepared to end it without listening to any arguments at all from anyone.

It just sounds very out of character for you, and i'm basing this on just your approach so far in this game before I get accused of yet more metagaming.

I'm not accusing anyone of it here. I'm prepared to vote early, not end the game, and i voted on what i thought was a good reason at the moment. REtracted it after i noticed the possible tactic of killing english as he was the only one voting olga with him. Solid no? As a theory.

1: I can't see that all 4 townies managed to get together and vote off another innocent while the mafia voted for someone else, that simply seems too unlikely to me, so I guess I don't think Fl3a and Calo are partners.

2: This means that either Toht or Olga are mafia. The fact that English said they were both Mafia also makes sense for why he was killed. It's the perfect cover up for both of them, leaving me and Calo as the likely suspects, something which Toht instantly jumped on. English was likely to vote on one of them the next day, that would be as good a reason to kill him as any since the argument Toht pulled straight out of the bag to defend himself was the easy way to not make it look incriminating.

3: Now Calo said English was the perfect nightkill, yet failed to defend him. That makes me think he probably wasn't the doctor either. Olga hinted towards being the doctor earlier on day 1, then turned it round to him being a townie when coming under pressure. As a way of defending himself from being killed at night that would of been just about his only option however.

4: I'm going to go with Olga as the doc and Toht as the mafia for now. Who is partnering him, calo or Fl3a i've not yet decided. I'll not place my vote until some other people have had a chance to comment however, since as I pointed out, if i'm wrong it's game over, and i'd like to hear Toht's defence before going that far.

1: I don't think all 4 townies got together either, that would be really bad luck. But that would clear noone:

Levin - 4 - (Old.Tohtori, Olgaline, Golena, Calo)
Olgaline - 2 - (English, Fl3a)
Golena - 1 - (Levin)

English innocent, levin innocent. No need for those. So if fl3a was mafia, only one of the upper 4 would need to be mafia.

2: Faulty logic, as you can see from point 1. I defended myself because it's the truth, i could in no way say anything else as this "logic" of killing english would surely be put against me. Same would've gone if olgaline would've died. Reverse-non-logic.

3: I saw no hinting of Olga being the doc, and frankly i don't believe it to be true. He stated he was vanilla, and i believe it. Especially regarding last night.

4: I'll say the same thing as Levin, you're way off the mark. Sure that sounds guilty as hell, but it's true. You're also forgetting about the possible fl3a+calo combo, which would be logical on different votes.

Ofcourse i have to take into consideration now that you're forcing me as the bad guy since you are one, but that's neither here nor there.

You have a logic, but it's faulty. There's no reason why calo+fl3a combo wouldn't be possible.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Not to add, according to day 1 voting: fl3a and Calo did not vote for eachother, nor did me and you or you and olgaline.

 

[Olgaline]

well I'll be....

I did not see that comming,
"the night kill on english"

Had a few beers after work so I have to go back to the thinking board, I'll return Later with a reply:

and No I'm not the doctor:

 

[Olgaline]

English's behavior after the levin vote
very much looked like a preasure vote,
trying to try and force me into a quick lynch of levin,
especially when it got followed up by a vote switch from toht
to add oreasure on me:

not to mention English's odd ball theory that toht was the garantied mastermind and then vote for me:


but as I said,
I'll get bacfk to it

 

[Golena]

Your right about the logic being faulty.

In fact one of the members of the mafia did vote for Levin since there's only 5 of us left and all 4 of Levin's voters are still here.

It does give a good reason for English to be killed however, as if you wanted all 4 of us to be here so the logic I wrongly gave couldn't be used to eliminate a partnership, you'd of had to of killed English or Fl3a.

So now i'm going to ask my self the question of why Fl3a or English.

English would make obvious sense if Fl3a was a member of the mafia. It's the only other person who didn't vote for Levin leaving all 4 of us looking more guilty. He also escaped voting on day 1 (other than a random early vote by me), so my the mafia are less likely to be voted on day 1 holds true for him.

Toht's reply certainly makes me less sure about him, i'm going to go back and re-read Fl3a's posts from day 1, see if there's anything I can gleam from them.

 

[old.Tohtori]

The thing that worries me, is that i'm dead certain'ish about calo and fl3a, as i said, especially on the different votes, can't kill himsefl over night etc...but...it all comes back to you Golena, you're so damn logical and helpful that it's just almost too good townie play

Not saying you ARE mafia, just that, you know.