Nerf Mid please...

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by old.anubis
officially mythic never mentioned it as a bug
all realms have it
why do you whine against healer?

Problem is Midgard has it on an essential class in chain. Champs dont have the same spell, their recast is longer afaik.

How often do you get interrupted by it as healer? I get spammed by it when I fight a good Mid group on my druid. Leaving me to pop MOC because some healer is chaining that interrupt on me every 5 secs.

comparing pr with sos/bof/gp is like comparing 2h avalonian paladin with 2h savage

Bullshit, both are unique RA's which can have a serious impact on a fight.

PR is not better then BOF, SOS or GP but its not much worse. I bet you took it. If it was way worse then GP you wouldnt spend 14 points on it, would you?

Stop downplaying PR, its a very nice RA and can change a battle too (due to the fact it gives 1 mana-bar extra to the PR'ed healer)

 

[Forau]

Re: Re: Nerf Mid please...

Originally posted by Ironfoot
Well maybe if you and your "gang" didn't just roll FOTM toons all the time it would be different, but elitist bastards like you are what fucks this game up for eveyone else.

Although you may come here with your tough guy act the bottom line is you are just another RP whore who rolls around in a FOTM group.

We invented the setup, whine on the copycats. The old Dorf+NP group ran with 2healers/rm/shammy/skald/warrior/2 zerks or savages. When Xanatea got back to mid we exchanged the RM for a healer and voila, _the_ setup. After JH rolled their 3-savage groups we kept on with our warrior and what do you know? According to a reliable source JH are now rolling/recruiting warriors.

We've ran the exact same setup since June and I'll be damned if we're gonna abandon it when it was our RPs given away(not really but still) that lay the path for what now is a "FOTM" group.

Bottom line is, everyone wants to find the perfect group. We found it, we're gonna use it, until another option opens up, then we'll try that. One thing I know for sure is that NP will never follow a FOTM trend, we set them.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
PR is not better then BOF, SOS or GP but its not much worse. I bet you took it. If it was way worse then GP you wouldnt spend 14 points on it, would you?

Stop downplaying PR, its a very nice RA and can change a battle too (due to the fact it gives 1 mana-bar extra to the PR'ed healer)

the downside is the lack of buffs, even amnesia takes too long to cast unbuffed.. spreadheals are almost outta the question.

it is a nice RA, but it is a lot worse than bof/sos. especially for 14 pts ;/

 

[Ithurts]

Someone hit the nail a few posts ago.

Skill is to me being able to own with classes nobody else could own with not with classes everyone can own with.
I liked NP alot more when kallistor was there cause that guy was skilled imo. And they didnt use just fotms like now.

Casters in rvr cant just pwn they need to actually use skills to survive and kill.
Zerker pre-nerf was the easiest class in the game to play, and savage isnt that far behind tbh. Warriors on the other hand also takes alot of skill to play cause u dont just assist/stick with a warrior, u protect things AND kill. And protecting everyone is a tough job tbh.

I also think assasins take alot of skill to play, u need to line up good for PA, and most assasins got 2x more styles than any other tank and need to use them good to own good.

A healer is not very hard to play eighter. I had a healer before and i was pac/mend, I thought that spec was tough cause u were main cc and healer(before spread heal). When spread heal came the job of a healer was ALOT easier and tbh less fun, I enjoyed having alot to think about during battle.

With my savage Im eighter MA or assisting someone which is 100x times easier to do than playing any other class in the game tbh.
Personally I dont use assist at all, I pick targets manually and try to help my seers when they need it.
I liked the vgn movies cause that hero plays very well, he got full control of the area and guard/slam well. This is how a class should be. Light tanks of DAoC is way to easy imo, especially midgard ones...

I might re-retire my warrior (need cash cause he was scammed) :/
But only after my wizz and inf is 50

 

[Ithurts]

Re: Re: Re: Nerf Mid please...

Originally posted by Forau
We invented the setup, whine on the copycats. The old Dorf+NP group ran with 2healers/rm/shammy/skald/warrior/2 zerks or savages. When Xanatea got back to mid we exchanged the RM for a healer and voila, _the_ setup. After JH rolled their 3-savage groups we kept on with our warrior and what do you know? According to a reliable source JH are now rolling/recruiting warriors.

We've ran the exact same setup since June and I'll be damned if we're gonna abandon it when it was our RPs given away(not really but still) that lay the path for what now is a "FOTM" group.

Bottom line is, everyone wants to find the perfect group. We found it, we're gonna use it, until another option opens up, then we'll try that. One thing I know for sure is that NP will never follow a FOTM trend, we set them.

From what ive seen it was RG who was first running fotm.
2-3 healers, skald, shammy, 3-4 savages/zerks and sometimes a warrior. We did that before June.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Ithurts

I liked NP alot more when kallistor was there cause that guy was skilled imo. And they didnt use just fotms like now.

Ithurts Lvl 51+ Savage

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Which is same as BOF, GP, MOC, RP, SOS, Purge, IP basically all 'major' RA's.

Also PR stacks nicely either allowing for a Mid-group to do 3 PR's in a fg vs. fg fight or have a PR available (on avg.) once every 10 mins.

A Mid-group with 3 Healers is not uncommon, where a group with 3 druids or 3 clerics is uncommon.

then invite more clerics/druids?

 

[Forau]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nerf Mid please...

Originally posted by Ithurts
From what ive seen it was RG who was first running fotm.
2-3 healers, skald, shammy, 3-4 savages/zerks and sometimes a warrior. We did that before June.

remove the 3 from healers, and say that you had a offensive warrior I'll believe you, we were lightyears ahead of the crowd running 3 healers+defensive warrior as standard.

 

[katt!]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos

dont forget to mention he bought the savage ~~

 

[Forau]

Originally posted by Ithurts
A healer is not very hard to play eighter. I had a healer before and i was pac/mend, I thought that spec was tough cause u were main cc and healer(before spread heal).

Playing a pachealer good is among the hardest things, insta AE-stun, face, cast mez doesn't qualify. If you say it's easy, you were probably a pretty awful healer.

 

[schinkaar]

Re: Re: Re: Nerf Mid please...

Originally posted by Forau
We invented the setup, whine on the copycats. The old Dorf+NP group ran with 2healers/rm/shammy/skald/warrior/2 zerks or savages. When Xanatea got back to mid we exchanged the RM for a healer and voila, _the_ setup. After JH rolled their 3-savage groups we kept on with our warrior and what do you know? According to a reliable source JH are now rolling/recruiting warriors.

We've ran the exact same setup since June and I'll be damned if we're gonna abandon it when it was our RPs given away(not really but still) that lay the path for what now is a "FOTM" group.

Bottom line is, everyone wants to find the perfect group. We found it, we're gonna use it, until another option opens up, then we'll try that. One thing I know for sure is that NP will never follow a FOTM trend, we set them.

lol at this .

JH recruit a warrior because of SoS, not NP so dont give yourself any cred. And your telling me only xana could figure out that 12-20k of healing power is greater than 1k pbt dmg absorb? NP havent "invented" anything. And you really miss the point if you think ppl care if they loose to the first overpowered group the second or whatever. And besides that xana already said you whould follow a "fotm" trend; implictly by using the most powerful combination available you ARE FOLLOWING THE TREND.

 

[zmurf]

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Originally posted by Ithurts
From what ive seen it was RG who was first running fotm.
2-3 healers, skald, shammy, 3-4 savages/zerks and sometimes a warrior. We did that before June.

When my shaman was at rr7 or so we lacked a mend healer and invited verygrrr (afaik RG officer or gm or something like that) and he laughed at us for using 3healers 1 shaman, so NO rg did not use this setup before us, far from ...

and we used it way before june as i started playing my shaman in the start of may and before i was rr6 we ran 3healers/1shaman ...

 

[zmurf]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nerf Mid please...

Originally posted by schinkaar
lol at this .

JH recruit a warrior because of SoS, not NP so dont give yourself any cred. And your telling me only xana could figure out that 12-20k of healing power is greater than 1k pbt dmg absorb? NP havent "invented" anything. And you really miss the point if you think ppl care if they loose to the first overpowered group the second or whatever. And besides that xana already said you whould follow a "fotm" trend; implictly by using the most powerful combination available you ARE FOLLOWING THE TREND.

Huge difference between FOLLOWING a trend, and playing a setup that turns into a trend ...

 

[AbPoon]

Re: Re: Re: Nerf Mid please...

Originally posted by Forau
According to a reliable source JH are now rolling/recruiting warriors.

Your sources are wrong then, no PM's from Warriors please we arnt recruiting them.

We have 3 inguild anyway that we never use but we might use one to replace me (Zerker) if i'm not around.

We wont really take notice of your group makeup's untill you start winning more fights then us.

Not a brag but your making us out to be your groupies and we certainly arnt.

 

[AbPoon]

Re: Re: Nerf Mid please...

Originally posted by [FC]Ilur
Xana want a challenge?? reroll cleric imo =P

Clerics got the least things to do of any realms Primary healers.

Pray tell why they are so hard to play?

Single and spread heals bof and insta too hard to handle huh?

 

[old.krane]

LMAO...this thread is so typical NP tardness tbh..


Only sorusi missing..

 

[nalistah]

hehe

 

[Ithurts]

Originally posted by katt!
dont forget to mention he bought the savage ~~

U know this how?
FYI I traded it.
I had a 50 SB and a 50 healer on pryd and traded them for a 50 warrior and a 37 savage.

I cant say I was the best pac healer but I wasnt bad.
Healers got it way easier to cc than the other realms tbh.

And I dont really play my savage anymore cause I dont enjoy running in an assisting tank group doin something my little sister could do.

 

[Ithurts]

Originally posted by Forau
Playing a pachealer good is among the hardest things, insta AE-stun, face, cast mez doesn't qualify. If you say it's easy, you were probably a pretty awful healer.

Dont try to make it sound harder than it actually is...
I can beat it is ALOT easier to be a healer when theres 2 others around a warrior.
I mostly played in randoms on pryd so I didnt really meet many "leet" guilds back then. But healers are far from a very hard to play class.

 

[schinkaar]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nerf Mid please...

Originally posted by zmurf
Huge difference between FOLLOWING a trend, and playing a setup that turns into a trend ...

You think there is any difference on the recieving end? you think its the fotm grps whining about that there is other grps like them (Except the funny NP ppl )? If you do please explain why

 

[Forau]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nerf Mid please...

Originally posted by AbPoon
Your sources are wrong then, no PM's from Warriors please we arnt recruiting them.

We have 3 inguild anyway that we never use but we might use one to replace me (Zerker) if i'm not around.

We wont really take notice of your group makeup's untill you start winning more fights then us.

Not a brag but your making us out to be your groupies and we certainly arnt.

Wasn't my intention at all. Ingrid told me that the only thing she(he?) missed from NP was the warrior in group, and had now finally convinced you guys that it was a winning tactic. Certainly not groupies, simply pointing out that whether you knew or not, the setup is developed by us. I wouldn't consider myself a Graham-bell groupie every time I use the phone.

 

[Belomar]

Woohoo, now we're talking, Mid guilds starting to bicker between themselves on who's the most leet and innovative. For the record, the only Mid guild I really respect is NP (and sometimes BC for their caster groups).

Now have at each other!

<takes out the popcorn>

 

[Forau]

Originally posted by Ithurts
Dont try to make it sound harder than it actually is...
I can beat it is ALOT easier to be a healer when theres 2 others around a warrior.
I mostly played in randoms on pryd so I didnt really meet many "leet" guilds back then. But healers are far from a very hard to play class.

No class in daoc is very hard to play. I agree that warrior is one of the harder ones but saying pachealer is a easy class to play just shows how little you know.

 

[Weeping Willow]

This is way too much crap to read imo.

Fotm groups all day long for the win.

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by Forau
Playing a pachealer good is among the hardest things, insta AE-stun, face, cast mez doesn't qualify. If you say it's easy, you were probably a pretty awful healer.

I'd generalize this statement to say "main CC class" instead of "pac healer", and would in fact go on to state that playing a sorcerer is even more difficult.

 

[AbPoon]

As i said we would use a warior insted of a Zerker, not really insted of a Savage unless had no other choice, 2 savages 1 warrior fine, 3 Savages fine but lacking PF or at least slams, 2 Savage 1 Zerker seems to be the best SOS or not, 1 Savage 1 Warrior 1 Zerker if desperate :E

 

[zmurf]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nerf Mid please...

Originally posted by schinkaar
You think there is any difference on the recieving end? you think its the fotm grps whining about that there is other grps like them (Except the funny NP ppl )? If you do please explain why

ofc there's no diff in the recieving end, was just pointing out NP in no way 'followed' a trend when they/we started running with 3 healers/1shaman

 

[Forau]

Originally posted by Belomar
I'd generalize this statement to say "main CC class" instead of "pac healer", and would in fact go on to state that playing a sorcerer is even more difficult.

Beyond the point, but agreed

 

[Ithurts]

Originally posted by Belomar
I'd generalize this statement to say "main CC class" instead of "pac healer", and would in fact go on to state that playing a sorcerer is even more difficult.

I can agree to that too
I never actually said healers are easy, if I did thats not my intention
Its tough being main cc cause alot of people trust u to do ur job every fight, which u might not always be able to do .

 

[schinkaar]

Originally posted by Belomar
Woohoo, now we're talking, Mid guilds starting to bicker between themselves on who's the most leet and innovative. For the record, the only Mid guild I really respect is NP (and sometimes BC for their caster groups).

Now have at each other!

<takes out the popcorn>

For the record no mid at all respect you, i agree the thread is turning even better by the minute tho .