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[Bluesky]

I will try and explain to you what I mean one more time because I don't think you are purposefully misunderstanding me.

I do understand you and your opinions you have stated. I simply disagree with them and your paragraph about fg vs fg fights and people "forgetting" to purge i find totally ridiculous and bizarre.

I wanted to point out that we need a fair system for dealing with these kind (RP pling, Xrealming etc) of offences.

We already have one and from what I have read of Requiels post its quite clear and concise and I personally see no reason to change this. While Shivhae may well be a really nice person and fun to play DAoC with her account broke the rules and was rightly punished.

I tried to give examples of how certain players could either break the rules intentionally and not be caught or unintentionally break the rules and look like CoC violations. I didn't say thiose examples were happening, or that you were responsible for anything in particular*.

The difference is Shivhae's account WAS used intentionally to cheat. You brought up examples which you took to the extreme to teh point that i have never heard anything so ridiculous as someone intentionally helping their own fg lose a fight vs another fg.

In this particular case Shivhae claimed to have been unfairly treated. Thanks to the whine this caused Requiel resolved the situation by posting GOA's opinions.

Whatever Shivhae claims is now moot. Requiel quite clearly stated GOA's policy not opinions and the characters on the account that caused the incident were punished while chars not involved were left untouched.

* I did point out that you had organised "agramon nights" which is true and could be considered against the CoC. That was in an attempt to highlight the fact that although you wouldn't consider anything you do as cheating, neither did TT when they dropped a keep to lvl 1(for exapmle!). Would you have thought it was ok if they got perma banned for that? I assume not but it shows the need for FAIR punishments when people break the rules.

Quite why you think "Agramon Nights" posts could be considered against the CoC is beyond me. As far as i am aware all those threads refer to a simple case of which groups are running in Agramon and do not involve any kind of "see you at the west zone wall near the lake at 9pm and plz sit down unbuffed so we can farm you for rps". GOA had previously stated this isnt against the CoC so why bother even bringing it up? Do you want to throw any more groundless allegations my way too? Oh and no I most certainly would not consider any part of the way I play as cheating for the simple reason it isn't and my opinions of TT's actions are in no way relevant to this thread.

Quite why you carrying on with this i dont understand so i'll say it yet again; someone cheated, got cought, got punished. End of story.

 

[Ati]

Quite why you think "Agramon Nights" posts could be considered against the CoC is beyond me.

Wake up, arranged fights are against the CoC. Your talking crap. Cadelin is trying to say that you are in breech and I am in breech as much as Shivae is. I also disagree, so as to save my won ass from rr1 doom, but agree technically. You as his GM should also be a little more responsable and rather than have a somewhat damning discussion in a public place, take it to guild chat.

Agramon night is technically agaisnt the CoC.

He isnt saying Shiv should get off, he is just saying where do you draw the linne. Goa need to make it clear. Not faff about with this oh lets have an exception here and there.

P.S. goa plz dont ban agramon arranged fights.

 

[trycorn]

Wake up, arranged fights are against the CoC. Your talking crap. Cadelin is trying to say that you are in breech and I am in breech as much as Shivae is. I also disagree, so as to save my won ass from rr1 doom, but agree technically. You as his GM should also be a little more responsable and rather than have a somewhat damning discussion in a public place, take it to guild chat.

Agramon night is technically agaisnt the CoC.

He isnt saying Shiv should get off, he is just saying where do you draw the linne. Goa need to make it clear. Not faff about with this oh lets have an exception here and there.

P.S. goa plz dont ban agramon arranged fights.

goa will not ban ppl fighting in agramon cos its simply not against coc, if it was againt coc 90% of the server should be banned as MRE's r just as much agains coc then...

agramon was created with the purpose of being used, it would be idiotic by goa to ban ppl 4 playing the game how it was meant to be played (not saying fg vs fg is what the game is about, but lots of ppl like to play this way and then its the way the game should be played by those)

 

[Bugz]

Wake up, arranged fights are against the CoC. Your talking crap. Cadelin is trying to say that you are in breech and I am in breech as much as Shivae is. I also disagree, so as to save my won ass from rr1 doom, but agree technically. You as his GM should also be a little more responsable and rather than have a somewhat damning discussion in a public place, take it to guild chat.

Agramon night is technically agaisnt the CoC.

He isnt saying Shiv should get off, he is just saying where do you draw the linne. Goa need to make it clear. Not faff about with this oh lets have an exception here and there.

P.S. goa plz dont ban agramon arranged fights.

Eh? Maybe you should stop sprouting crap.

Agramon Nights are certainly NOT against the CoC. That would make MRE's (as stated above), the old Solo zone and the such against the CoC. It is FINE to say to people 'go to so and so zone' as long as everyone roams about that zone - which happens on agramon nights.

Therefore, the majority of us aren't breaking the CoC.

GoA did not make an exception.

If you cannot see the difference between RP Powerleveling & encouraging action, then you should really question your understanding of the world

 

[Bluesky]

Wake up, arranged fights are against the CoC. Your talking crap

What are you talking about? I totally agree with you arranged fights are against the CoC and that is not at all what the agramon nights are about. Bugz post above explains very well what those posts are about so its you who should read and understand a post before saying im talking crap.

You as his GM should also be a little more responsable and rather than have a somewhat damning discussion in a public place, take it to guild chat.

erm again what are you talking about? I am not even in teh same guild as Cadelin let alone his GM. Where did you dream this up?

Agramon night is technically agaisnt the CoC.

No, it isn't as GOA have stated and read Bugz post for a lengthier explanation.

Seriously now Ati read and understand what people post before coming to such incorrect conclusions.

 

[charmangle]

Agramon Nights are certainly NOT against the CoC.

goa will not ban ppl fighting in agramon cos its simply not against coc

Well, yes it is!
Fighting enemies in Agramon isnt against the CoC ofc. But it is against the CoC to in any way communicate with the other realms. And Agramon nights is communicated through FH. So it is against the CoC!

Dont argue things that are undefendable!

BUT and the almost as big BUT as my ever expanding arse is, that it is not provable by any ingame features. Meaning that it cant be implemented by GoA in game. So therefore it isnt at the moment considered to be a breach of the rules. (or atleast not punishable by any fair means!

And in the end there is a huge difference between purposly breaking the rules to get unfair xp or rps, (without 99% of the risk of dieing yourself) and an attempt to gathering equally stron contestants in one area.

Its hardly brain surgery, these are things every one know, the rest is just semantics.

/Charmangle

 

[Ati]

Eh? Maybe you should stop sprouting crap.

Agramon Nights are certainly NOT against the CoC. That would make MRE's (as stated above), the old Solo zone and the such against the CoC. It is FINE to say to people 'go to so and so zone' as long as everyone roams about that zone - which happens on agramon nights.

Therefore, the majority of us aren't breaking the CoC.

GoA did not make an exception.

If you cannot see the difference between RP Powerleveling & encouraging action, then you should really question your understanding of the world

you have no idea.

fights in agramon are arranged on irc and ive never seen you sitting in any of the channels used. So maybe you dont know what on earth we're discussing here nor have any experience in irc arrangements. In your own words, stop spouting crap.

 

[Ati]

No, it isn't as GOA have stated and read Bugz post for a lengthier explanation.

Goa havnt changed the CoC.

Arranging fights is still against the code of conduct, just because goa have made an exception dosnt make it fair and right? I know you play in agramon, and so do I alot. But that dosnt mean that you need to defend something just because you do it.

Read the code of conduct. all cadelin is trying to say, that arranging fights to kill onanother with a friend is just as against the coc as arranging fights as a group to and and kill oneanother in agramon.

So please, im not saying stop agramon, not ruining your summer fun. Im just saying he is right. He may not have said it correctly, nor expressed his opinion very well. But technically he is right, arranged FG fights are NOT supposed to be part of the game, as much as rp farming is

Thank you

 

[Bugz]

you have no idea.

fights in agramon are arranged on irc and ive never seen you sitting in any of the channels used. So maybe you dont know what on earth we're discussing here nor have any experience in irc arrangements. In your own words, stop spouting crap.

You said Agramon Night.

Arranged fights on IRC are against the CoC and you should report them.

Agramon Night (which was posted here on FH - so yes i've read it) is NOT against the CoC.

Additionally, since you infact defend the breaking of the CoC by these alledged arranged fights - your opinion sits in the gutter and becomes altogether void.

 

[swords]

Hahaha Agramon nights against the CoC... prolly against the SoTG too! teh holy SoTG! /worship

 

[Ati]

You said Agramon Night.

Arranged fights on IRC are against the CoC and you should report them.

Agramon Night (which was posted here on FH - so yes i've read it) is NOT against the CoC.

Additionally, since you infact defend the breaking of the CoC by these alledged arranged fights - your opinion sits in the gutter and becomes altogether void.

Agramon night is still an agreement between groups to be in a certain place at a certain time. It is arranged fighting concentrated in a certain place between certain groups.
People post: Group 1 will be there after 6 as we need a new healer!

etc.

this is an arrrrannnged meeting of groups in a specified palce at a specified time!

I am not enforcing this as my own point, im just saying that Cadelin SHOULD NOT ahve been as flamed as he was, he is after all fight, agramon is a breach of the way the game is ment to be played. kekekekekeke


fuck it, i cba argueing anymore, im supposed to be farming gov scrolls for guild. Arranged fights are as much against the coc as rp farming in my opinion. I'll try not to post again.

Shivae got self-owned.

your opinion sits in the gutter and becomes altogether void.

and opinion can never be void, an opinion being void is a breech of human rights. And opinion is a point of view, it is impossible to ahve a void point of view.

 

[Bluesky]

Ok let me go over it again... Yes, as i said arranged fights are out of order and against the CoC. I think everyone can agree on this but the specific point im making is the "Agramon Nights" threads here on FH are NOT about arranging fights at all as you well know. Those posts are simply to see who is running in that zone during an evening and NOT to arrange a fight there.

Whatever is said or arranged on IRC i dont know and dont want to know as imo thats a very grey area which i have no intention of getting involved in. Most people have probably heard stories of all kinds of alleged activities on IRC about the game but this is a different issue to seeing who happens to be running in a certain zone.

So in summary "arranging a fight" is not the same as saying "our group is running in agramon tonight" and that is my specific point.

 

[charmangle]

So in summary "arranging a fight" is not the same as saying "our group is running in agramon tonight" and that is my specific point.

Thats imo how to you OWN a subject...nice one Bluie! (I might be drunk this time too but atleast im not getting a headjob atm!

/Charmangle

ps. And damn all you who are private messaging me about making good points! Who cares, Give REP points instead, because thats what life is all about and you all know it! ds

 

[Bluesky]

I might be drunk this time too but atleast im not getting a headjob atm!

LOL m8 if only you knew how much i smile reading some of your posts and damn you for being drunk when im not

 

[Ati]

I always regret posting :<

discussion over the internets is so complicated and frustrating.

Sure i guess your right, but all thats happening is that we're practically argueing the same thing.

good night, gonna go dump my new level 10 WH and battler on some poor rog tank.

so long

 

[Bluesky]

LOL nn Ati - im too tired so need my bed too but im glad you can see the point i was trying to make even though they are very closely related.

I probably should have posted that little summary a lot earlier thinking about it lol /slaps forehead

 

[Bugz]

Why the fuck am I not in bed anyway?

 

[Bluesky]

Why the fuck am I not in bed anyway?

damn you - quit reading my mind

 

[Bugz]

damn you - quit reading my mind

If it helps to get you into bed, I could roleplay an angry mum for you

 

[Nate]

a decent realm rank group thats 15k-20k RP(total) per fight

How would this even be possible, a decent realm rank group gets lower realm points then a low realm rank group..you really are making this stuff up as you go, please go and make your own daoc so all these wonderfully unique ideas can flurrish.

IT IS against the CoC to communicate with other realms players, but its just extremly hard to prove with ingame options. And thats why its not beeing implemented by GoA.

Why would GOA allow and link to their homepage a forum, which they post on, with an RvR Discussion section if what you say is the case? It is however, against the CoC to communicate with other realm players about current/on-going events, which may give an unfair advantage to the receiving realm..and thats so far what I have seen regarding that subject which has been given attention by mods/gm's.​

 

[Raven]

i have arranged a few 1v1 fights over IRC/FH/Vent, nothing wrong with it, they certainly weren't RP farms, both players playing to win etc, all it did was save time in finding each other.

there is a huge world of difference between duel logging and RP farming and arranging a fight between two players trying to win. if the sotg crew want to start bitching about arranging fights, it happened a lot in the time of castles/knights and whatever.

 

[Hawkwind]

May not be anything to do with this.

Last week, early morning in /as someone (who shall remain nameless) asked how they report someone for RP Pl'in. He named a mid lvl 47 healer that when checked was top of the /stats rp with around 15-20k rps and close to 20 dbs. Quite impressive for a lvl 47 healer. After it was announced in /as they then logged which made us think the char being used was in our alliance chat.

Personally I would not bother reporting as I would prefer as many people as possible in game. But I'm sure it was reported to Rightnow with a screenie of the stats. If this is the case in question then I'm sorry for your loss but you should expect nothing less from GOA.

 

[Hawkwind]

Accounts can't change hands!
E-baying an account is against the CoC.
Giving an account to a mate is against the CoC.
2 people playing different characters on the same account is against the CoC.

If it's not the one original owner playing the account GOA are perfectly within their rights to ban the account on the spot just for that alone.

Imagine the population right now if they did. They can detect it easily by checking names, address and CC details. But they won't because they would loose too much revenue.

 

[Tesla Monkor]

Use RightNow and provide the name of the character, the time and the server. If you can't figure out how to do it with RightNow, PM me and I'll forward it to the GMs.

 

[Case]

This is fantastic so much drama, keep it coming feels just like the old days when whiners were whiners and men were men.

Let me get this right so this fool lent his account details to someone who is clearly untrustworthy going against all rules of common sense and the EULA then when that said person allegedly RP farmed and got the account punished he whines like a tiny baby begging for his mummy's nipple?

Powerpwned meight!11 Glad to see the system still works this fills me with a great sense that if the GM's move over to WAR the rules of the game and common sense will be upheld nice work GOA.

 

[Appollo]

The SoTG is teh precious

 

[mercury]

Happy New Year

But they won't because they would loose too much revenue.

No, I don't believe that is the case. They punished Shiva for a breach of the rules of decency - GoA are perfectly aware she could very easily have said, ok, up yours, stuff your account, I'm off to play WoW - thus GoA loses her francs. I don't always see eye to eye with Right Now decisions, but at the end of the day, they're in charge and to change policy, make exceptions and allow the CoC to be ignored is not something they do just to save cash. It's a pity that the player here always seemed to me one of the more decent types - I doubt this thread would have been half the length if G*mm*i / S*nti*os or H*n*i were the culprit.

There is tho, a bigger issue here. I agree that farming RPs, use of Radar and other client-side aids or fixing fights etc etc are pretty lame, but there are other things the game ALLOWS you to do but which would attract a ban. For instance, I found a spot recently where I could put a toon and pull mobs to me. Even purples couldn't touch me. As long as I had AOE I could kill them (slowly) and farm the xp. I happened to show Bluesky this spot and until he warned me that using this was cheating, I had no idea I was doing anything wrong. I never went back ofc. No point in playing ANY game if you knowingly cheat.
My point here is, if the mechanics of the game engine allow you to do something (eg. use the wall bug in the C05 dungeon) then it should either be repaired or should not attract punishment. Problem is, GoA cannot specify the problem in detail, as this would result in even more breaches - human nature being what it is.

What is really missing here is a feedback forum, where discussion of game-engine elements can occur, and where Mythic would get the info. Example : I happen to think that houses need more display slots and hook points, and trophies need labels and tool-tips (pretty easy to implement I should think) and that the whole transport system needs rationalising (not so easy). The game texts need reviewing by someone who can actually speak English. (Apart from US Militarese there's no such verb in English as 'task', which those stoopid NPC skalds are always on about. And 'wizened' doesnt have anything to do with 'wise'.) There doesn't seem to be anyone meaningful this sort of thing with can be disussed with.
I'm convinced that a proper dialogue about the hundreds of such topics would benefit the game - and at least get Mythic away from their eternal minor tweaking of class abilities and into a major overhaul. Maybe they feel it's not worth the investment but if someone would sit up and take notice, maybe DAoC would not sink into obscurity and allow inferior offerings to take over. By the time players realise how poor WoW is compared to our game, its going to be too late.

This game has been in my family since the start. I've been mainly in PvE and was about to enter the RvR world. But, given the spleen and spite I'm not sure I want to. Makes me realise why real wars go on so long.

One of Life's back-row kids...​

 

[Lethul]

i got an reply on a post in rightnow and that there they say this line what the hell means it ? :

"The findings of our investigation contradict the statement that that character was not involved"

i read not involved i got that back as awnser. and i wanna know what this means ??

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[SkarIronfist]

Ok.

RP Farming is organised leveling of a character in such a manner where the outcome of the fight is "not in doubt" and has been pre arranged. This is performed repeatedly.

I cannot understand how Agramon 8vs8 can be compared. The whole idea is that the outcome cannot be premedated. We merely say which groups are going to be in a zone for an evening Or are willing to go to a zone. Then its a question of driving round a large zone looking for a fight and trying to get the best angle.

Finally, I am not sure how many times this has been said.

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACCOUNT. DO NOT GIVE OUT THE DETAILS.

Whatever happens on your account is your own fault. Please don't bleet here, you have been warned so many times in the past. Ignorance is not an excuse.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

blah

GOA had such a thing, it instantly turned into a whinefest with all the kiddies and toys going in all directions, so it was abandonded.

VN to a degree to have feedback to Mythic, and team leaders do talk to the polulus, and theres a feedback form somewhere too..

But, the toy throwers are the ones to spoil it, you know, the ones who say "I know how the game should be", "my rules are..." and "CHANGE IT OR ILL QUIT QQQQQQ!!!!". They dont consider the wider implications, and mostly lack the social skills to put together a coherant thought about anyone but themselves.

Where cheating is concerned, especially old school players who should know a lot better, they deserve everything they get. Shivs a nice gal, its always sad when nice people have a darker side.