Necromancer

[noaim]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
"Pyromancy or Liquification. What will the 12 year old alb choose?"

lol. Whether you're 12 or 40 you'll still go for the one that sounds more interesting.

Ok, I can undetstand some people find Fire more attractive.

But how the HELL can 95% do it.

And no, I wouldnt chose line based on the name of the line, but it seems you did. However, I doubt that many people do, you are alone in that club with the 12 year olds Wildfire. Guess you are in good company then tho.

 

[mib666]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
can you post the screenshots here btw plz i wanna see just how elite i was looking - didnt have a mirror available at the time

 

[Ironfoot]

Originally posted by Lessurl
I seem to remember reading something on this subject from goa or mythic stating their standpoint. Just tried to look for it just now though but couldn't find it easily and tbh can't be bothered wasting a lot of my time on this argument as i'm pretty sure you wont listen to me anyway and will just continue whining. They said that if the pet was inside a wall or similar where there was no chance at all of you being able to get to it then it was abuse and a banable offence. Necro pet in courtyard of keep is reachable by climbing assasins hence not banable bug abuse.
So i argue that the pet being able to nuke through walls is a feature of the game as goa/mythic aren't banning anyone for using it, not even giving them a warning and that it is on the same level as the healer being able to chain stun/mez in an earlier patch. And the reason that it is getting changed in 1.60 is that like the healer they realised it is overpowered and removing it. Only kudos to mythic for spotting the fault faster in this case.

I would ask you to quote or show me where mythic or goa state that it is actually a bug and that it isn't working as they intended.

If you can post me hard evidence that the ability to nuke through walls that necros do is working as intended and actually stated so by mythic i will willingly stand down from this discusion and you will get a sincere apology. Untill that point I will remain with my current position that this is not actually an intended feature. I seem to remember reading about cases in the US where people were actually handed out warnings / temp bans for parking theie necro pet in a safe place and nuking people with impunity.

 

[old.Wildfire]

Well, funnily enough when I go out and buy a new game it's not because I've worked out that if I combine a ring of elemental quasi-ownage (+47 intel 17% spirit) with a Bracer of Anti-Gravity LoveMaking (+100 dex +100 str) and then spec my buffbot 72 enhance 21 smite, when my group of 6 fire wizards is travelling due east at a velocity of 3ms^1 under the moon of odin's gate I can achieve an extra 0.05% resistance to slashing attacks.

I started my character.
I noted that the earth line didnt seem to do anything fun.
I noted that the ice line made little white puffs of smoke.
I noted that the fire line had fireballs and explosions.

The choice wasn't difficult.

 

[rure]

Originally posted by Ironfoot
If you can post me hard evidence that the ability to nuke through walls that necros do is working as intended and actually stated so by mythic i will willingly stand down from this discusion and you will get a sincere apology.

http://camelot-europe.goa.com/news/newsarticle.php3?id_article=902

"Now, let's look at the recent discussions. The problem comes from the line of sight (LOS) of pets. In the current version pets can attack from range through solid objects. Players using pets normally, in a keep defence for example, and sending the pets through the doors are just playing their class normally, nothing wrong with that. Maybe it is not really fair play, but the issue will be fixed in a coming patch and there is no "bug" exploit in this case."

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
Well, funnily enough when I go out and buy a new game it's not because I've worked out that if I combine a ring of elemental quasi-ownage (+47 intel 17% spirit) with a Bracer of Anti-Gravity LoveMaking (+100 dex +100 str) and then spec my buffbot 72 enhance 21 smite, when my group of 6 fire wizards is travelling due east at a velocity of 3ms^1 under the moon of odin's gate I can achieve an extra 0.05% resistance to slashing attacks.

I started my character.
I noted that the earth line didnt seem to do anything fun.
I noted that the ice line made little white puffs of smoke.
I noted that the fire line had fireballs and explosions.

The choice wasn't difficult.

Actually I gotta agree there.. My first theurgist was like 10 air, 10 cold, 10 earth on lvl 20 (dunno exact, but pretty evenly distributed points).

After someone saw me play he told me putting points in all 3 lines wasn't very smart (and he explained why and I understood).

So looking over the lines I didn't liked the earth-line. I only had a pet and something which I wasn't capable to understand entirely in full detail (PBT) and some stupid windy-thing which did something to a mob (haste-debuff) but it took 2 seconds to cast (wasn't a shout at that time) and in that time I could have nuked too, and did dmg. So no earth.

Ice? Well, the pets wheren't funny, they stood waving their hands and blowing off steam, but it didn't look like real action and they stopped doing that as soon as the mob was on the pet.

Air had a nice nuke (hey, OMG this hits much harder then the ice-DD baseline), I had something like mezz which seemed pretty uber at the time I started and I found it funny the pets locked up the mob (stunproc; I thought the mob his path was blocked by the pets to me ) so I choose air.

Same goes for every other class I think when you're new to the game. You go mind as sorc because OMG I charmed a pet look at him fighting for ME! etc etc.

 

[Chenuba]

Now all please stfu and just wait for the patch coming soon that will fix the necrobug. I can't believe people seriously want to use that amount of energy on a thing they'll all know will be fixed in a matter of 1-2 weeks.

Your whining doesn't change the fact that Mythic/GOA are aware of the bug and it has been corrected in next patch.

END OF DISCUSSION.

 

[kerberos]

Originally posted by rure
http://camelot-europe.goa.com/news/newsarticle.php3?id_article=902

"Now, let's look at the recent discussions. The problem comes from the line of sight (LOS) of pets. In the current version pets can attack from range through solid objects. Players using pets normally, in a keep defence for example, and sending the pets through the doors are just playing their class normally, nothing wrong with that. Maybe it is not really fair play, but the issue will be fixed in a coming patch and there is no "bug" exploit in this case."

AND?

"sending the pets through the doors are just playing their class normally"

That is not what your necros are doing now is it?

 

[Qte Eth]

this all sounds cool but we had 2 respec all and how many fire wiz respec to ice?

 

[rure]

sending pets through walls at keep defences was an example.

Players using pets normally, in a keep defence for example, and sending the pets through the doors are just playing their class normally, nothing wrong with that.

it was about LOS-abusing.

 

[kerberos]

Originally posted by rure
sending pets through walls at keep defences was an example.

Players using pets normally, in a keep defence for example, and sending the pets through the doors are just playing their class normally, nothing wrong with that.

it was about LOS-abusing.

So an example makes everything legal?

 

[rure]

read the whole part again and you will understand.

 

[old.Wildfire]

Used my full respec to get myself low level pbae, gtae and AE root as well as my 50 fire spec. This was after the earth spells had been expanded and before pbae was speeded-up.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
Well, funnily enough when I go out and buy a new game it's not because I've worked out that if I combine a ring of elemental quasi-ownage (+47 intel 17% spirit) with a Bracer of Anti-Gravity LoveMaking (+100 dex +100 str) and then spec my buffbot 72 enhance 21 smite, when my group of 6 fire wizards is travelling due east at a velocity of 3ms^1 under the moon of odin's gate I can achieve an extra 0.05% resistance to slashing attacks.

I started my character.
I noted that the earth line didnt seem to do anything fun.
I noted that the ice line made little white puffs of smoke.
I noted that the fire line had fireballs and explosions.

The choice wasn't difficult.

NOW we are getting somewhere.

Why do albs have alot of 12 year old kids? Platemail looks (looked) coolest. Why firewizzies? Looks coolest.

Why do Wildfire play albion? He is a 12 (14 maybe) year old kid, who likes the word "fire" and the word "pyromancy". Thanks for pointing it out.

Edit: And why did he make a Necro? Cause he knew about the LOS abuse/cheat ofcourse. Kids...

 

[Belomar]

Oh, Noaim, and you rolled a Thane for what reason? And what about your hamster, of course you rolled that one because it's so overpowered. I don't see the kind of "support char for the good of the realm" mentality you are proposing show up in your signature.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by Belomar
Oh, Noaim, and you rolled a Thane for what reason? And what about your hamster, of course you rolled that one because it's so overpowered. I don't see the kind of "support char for the good of the realm" mentality you are proposing show up in your signature.

Thanes was considered good at the time, I started playing before people reached 50 and discovered they were gimped...which they dont really are in my oppinion tho.

I rolled a hamster cause I wanted to be able to dish out damage, not cause I wanted to be able to nuke through walls.

Edit: I find my thane a great defensive tank that is usable in open rvr, keepdefense, keepattack, and pve. Very flexible.

Altho he deals a lil to low damage, hence why I made a zerk and a SM.

And I got access to 2 healers and a shammy, and when they are needed, I play em instead of any of my chars, i.e if my group lacks a healer. I just find it unnecessary to roll one when I can just log one in.

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by noaim
Thanes was considered good at the time, I started playing before people reached 50 and discovered they were gimped...which they dont really are in my oppinion tho.

Right. None of us really knew much about what our classes could do when we rolled them (our first classes, that is). Then it's no small wonder if we chose them based on the criteria of what sounded "cool" and not. You probably chose your Thane because you liked the idea of a warrior of Thor calling down thunder on his enemies, WF seems to have chosen his class and specline because he harbors a pyromanic trait.

I rolled a hamster cause I wanted to be able to dish out damage, not cause I wanted to be able to nuke through walls.

I doubt that many necros rolled their class for this reason. Many had read about necros in beforehand and maybe even played them in other games, so when the expansion arrives, a lot of people roll one and start levelling them.

 

[noaim]

Yes, but you had quite a few lvl 50 fire wizzies when everyone had a respec availible, and they chosed to stay as fire wizzies, then they whine here about chanters being overpowered, and dont tell me Ice spec isnt good...it is the best of all pbae lines. You get good ranged nukes, even with snare, and ae nuke with cold debuff (only 5%, but still a debuff) AND pbae.

They stayed Fire wizzie cause it is considered cooler.

Edit: Just wanna add that I am pretty certain that most necros rolled em to be able to nuke through walls, they read the vnboards of course.

Edit2: And of course you dont know wht class is good when you start playing, but there are some players chosing class on how cool they are, and I think that group of people is dominated by kids, and firewizzies and platemail is 2 of the more cool things in daoc, so guess why you are so infested with idiots who cant play the game.

 

[Subbiz]

aarion nuked me 6 times inside Caer Boldiam the other day, I had been nuking from lord room from a window.. moved in just before the first DD landed, and the last 6 was while I was at the stairs. such greeeeeeeaat fun!

 

[belth]

Originally posted by noaim
Yes, but you had quite a few lvl 50 fire wizzies when everyone had a respec availible, and they chosed to stay as fire wizzies, then they whine here about chanters being overpowered, and dont tell me Ice spec isnt good...it is the best of all pbae lines. You get good ranged nukes, even with snare, and ae nuke with cold debuff (only 5%, but still a debuff) AND pbae.

Chanter PBAoE line (mana):

Focus shield: get a druid-bot and kill hulks in DF, duo. Or solo a bunch of orange mobs with it and PBAoE. Or do nasty damage in RvR. Nice, huh?
Resists debuffs: make your nuking pet do a lot more damage and your baseline 179 dd becomes 50% more damaging (150% of 179... 268 dd nuke?), before resists. Resists debuffs are over-effective, so say many, as in get +24% resist buff and have someone with 50% debuff to that damage type debuff you - you now have negative resists, even tho you got +26% from items. Nice, huh?

Eldritch PBAoE line (mana again):

DD with a snare: 179 dd, 40% snare... Nice, looks like what an ice-wizzy has.
Str/Con debuff, single/AoE, insta: Fancy doing more damage to mobs? Perma-root casters? Drop those enemies HP and make em do more damage? Here's your answer!
Disease, single/AoE: Look at that mob/player, he doesn't regenerate health anymore, moves slower and has less strength! Heals are half as effective too!
AoE DD with atk. spd. debuff: Well, nothing fancy here, just the -18% attack speed debuff, low damage.

Spiritmaster (suppression):

Single-target mezz: Not bad, crowd control in the PBAoE line. What else?
Cure mezz: Who doesn't love this?
Str/Con debuff, AoE, insta: See Eldritch...
Attack speed debuff, insta: Nothing too special here...
PBAoE: Highest damage PBAoE in the game. Common complaint is that after resists it does least of all PBAoEs - well you're lying thru your teeth, necro PBAoE is the worst in the game. The resistance argument is also very invalid in a game where many endgame players have most resists capped...
Life transfer: Great emergency heal, isn't it?

Wizard (cold):

DD with snare: 35% snare and 179 dd. Which mid/alb/hib(?) doesn't have his cold resists capped? The eldritch one is better...
DD with debuff: 171 dd and -10% cold resists. Quite nice, if you can nuke "at your leisure".
AoE DD with debuff: See above... Has more utility than the single-target though, atleast in zerg-RvR when you don't want to PBAoE.

 

[noaim]

I hate long replies, but ok here goes.

Chanter: gets debuffs, but no energy debuffs, which is the damage they use.
Focus shield...not talking about PvE here.

Eldritch: Comparable, similar nuke, however no debuff in nukes that makes their pbae hit harder.
Disease is however nice.

Spiritmaster: Best pbae, 331 instead of 325, hardly much difference. No ranged nuke except baselines. Singletarget mezz is nice. As you say resists are capped by most players.

Ice wizzie: Same pbae as eldritches and chanters (in 1-2 weeks), can singlenuke with snare, or single/ae with debuff which makes their pbae better. I dont see why you bring up resists here, I quote you: "The resistance argument is also very invalid in a game where many endgame players have most resists capped. Which mid/alb/hib(?) doesn't have his cold resists capped?"

Seems like Spiritmasters nuke is as good as everyone else cause resists are capped anyways, but Ice Wizzies are worse cause people are capped in cold, I dont understand your reasoning.

Anyways, no other pbae-line has a debuff that helps their pbae, Ice Wizzies gets 2 different singletarget nukes, and 1 ae nuke.

Conclusion: If you wanna deal damage, Ice Wizzies have the best pbae spec line, if you wanna debuff and disease people other lines may be better.

 

[old.Wildfire]

"Why do Wildfire play albion? He is a 12 (14 maybe) year old kid, who likes the word "fire" and the word "pyromancy". Thanks for pointing it out."

:great: twat.

Your psychoanalysis of the whole situation is based far more on a fancy of your own cognitive abilities than it is on any education or qualification in the subject, I'll wager.

I'll point out the areas you're wrong;

1) July will bring my 20th birthday. Frankly it's meaningless though, I know many in their 20's 30's and beyond who really need to be sent back to school to learn how to behave.
2) I had decided to roll a necro long before any details of the class were released, which in itself was also a considerable time before the LoS bugs were reported.

So you can slate my choice of class for it being "cool" all you like - I can't see how anyone can though unless they're an anal-retentive number-crunching geek with lenses 3" thick, who has brown wallpaper in his room and carries his stuff to school every morning in a carrier bag because it's cheap and effective.

 

[noaim]

I supposed you decided to roll one even before the class itself was announced.

And I can tell you, everyone playing a zerk isnt as you just described, I doubt everyone playing a chanter is either, and _everyone_ playing a fire wizzie or platewearer dont do it because it is cool.

However, alot of people do, and alot of those people are kids, like you (not basing that on you being a fire wizzie) and there you have the reason albs suck in rvr when they dont zerg or use bugs, they just wanna run around and look cool...and when they have plate they are _the_ coolest around, so of course they should be killin that tank over there to prove they are the mightiest around.

 

[old.Wildfire]

Funny you should say that actually, from the moment SI was announced I was hoping the necro was one of the alb classes so that I could roll one...

Now fuck off, I'm done answering your stupid little questions.

You all got owned, and will continue to get owned until 1.60. Then you'll get owned some more, at bolt range, by my sorc.

 

[noaim]

Can I save that quote and shove it up your ass when you come here whining about your necro and insta mezzes in 1.60?

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by belth
Chanter PBAoE line (mana):

Focus shield: get a druid-bot and kill hulks in DF, duo. Or solo a bunch of orange mobs with it and PBAoE. Or do nasty damage in RvR. Nice, huh?
Resists debuffs: make your nuking pet do a lot more damage and your baseline 179 dd becomes 50% more damaging (150% of 179... 268 dd nuke?), before resists. Resists debuffs are over-effective, so say many, as in get +24% resist buff and have someone with 50% debuff to that damage type debuff you - you now have negative resists, even tho you got +26% from items. Nice, huh?

focus shield; get a matter cabby, same effect
resist debuff; i like this toy, why? because it makes my DD hit for what it should hit for, but it will never do what you say (making it 50% beter). it will make me hit for 500-570dmg/nuke (wich costs a shitload of power btw) wich casters should hit for without debuffs imo. now, albs and mids also have thos toy, learn to use it and you wont complain any more (like an air theur on pryd hitting for 700-800dmg a hit)

Eldritch PBAoE line (mana again):

DD with a snare: 179 dd, 40% snare... Nice, looks like what an ice-wizzy has.
Str/Con debuff, single/AoE, insta: Fancy doing more damage to mobs? Perma-root casters? Drop those enemies HP and make em do more damage? Here's your answer!
Disease, single/AoE: Look at that mob/player, he doesn't regenerate health anymore, moves slower and has less strength! Heals are half as effective too!
AoE DD with atk. spd. debuff: Well, nothing fancy here, just the -18% attack speed debuff, low damage.

you will never perma root casters if they are grped cause they are buffed, duh. the disease is good yes, but nothing your casters dont have.

Spiritmaster (suppression):
Single-target mezz: Not bad, crowd control in the PBAoE line. What else?
Cure mezz: Who doesn't love this?
Str/Con debuff, AoE, insta: See Eldritch...
Attack speed debuff, insta: Nothing too special here...
PBAoE: Highest damage PBAoE in the game. Common complaint is that after resists it does least of all PBAoEs - well you're lying thru your teeth, necro PBAoE is the worst in the game. The resistance argument is also very invalid in a game where many endgame players have most resists capped...
Life transfer: Great emergency heal, isn't it?

agreed, altho the encro pb was never ment to be as high damaging as other casters pbae, and the resist arguement is also true.

Wizard (cold):
DD with snare: 35% snare and 179 dd. Which mid/alb/hib(?) doesn't have his cold resists capped? The eldritch one is better...
DD with debuff: 171 dd and -10% cold resists. Quite nice, if you can nuke "at your leisure".
AoE DD with debuff: See above... Has more utility than the single-target though, atleast in zerg-RvR when you don't want to PBAoE.

you just said each player has his resists capped but now you prove the elds is better bc it does a different type of dmg?
youl face less resist then most casters, better then the eld atleast.
its a very nice addition to a pbae line like with the eld only this is more usefull bc you will face less resist

conclusion: ice wizard has best pbae line imo (this is looking only if its comming down to the pbae line)

 

[old.Moriaana]

...And now lets hear the delightful comments of our fellow hibs, when they got owned at surs from 2 necros....

Whats the point? Shit happens...

 

[old.Wildfire]

"Can I save that quote and shove it up your ass when you come here whining about your necro and insta mezzes in 1.60?"

Not gonna happen, but you can save it and take your whining someplace where people care ...if such a place exists.

 

[old.Nol]

If you insist that Mythic fixing it proves it's a bug, then explain the following.

Addressing Midgard's Left Axe style/endurance regeneration combination, which leads to Berserkers and Shadowzerks doing more damage than they would normally be able to.

Necros can stop using LOS, but by the same token, zerkers should put away their LA if they have end buff...do you think this will happen? Somehow I thought not...

Mythic has said no bug, that is good enough for me...

 

[brommix]

ill say this again....because something is getting fixed in a later patch, dosnt mean its a CHEAT to use it now!!! how can anyone in their right mind argue for that point???, you may have points that its a flaw in the game or overpowered, but so are alot of stuff but its not a CHEAT!!!! and just like nol says if those who claim its a cheat etc....would that mean all who use LA now are cheating cause it gets fixed....FFS get real offcourse not, necroes are overpowered at keep defenses and mythic will nerf them and leave it at that, and noaim i suggest you try take a breather cause you are starting to sound totally possesed by it all, if you care to reply to this post then try and make us believe you can actually make an intelligent reply which will not only consist of cheats zerg albs etc etc.