MOC3 and lifetap - is it a joke?

[Commandment]

you mean the sorc is a gimp for purging anything else then stun ? Why should he purge mezz from an eldritch/menta if he knows the stun will come soon ?

Sorcs should always win fights versus Mentalists, Chanters, Bainshees and Animists, simply because of superiour range on the mezz and the pet on the sorc.

only Hib-caster who can provide a serious thread to a sorc is the eldritch, if any of the others win, its because of getting jumped as sorc, which you could claim as a lack of skill in a 1vs1.

If you play by the book as sorc, you see an enchanter approaching, you mezz him from range, mezz his pet aswell, then sick your pet on him and nuke him down. Even if he manages to QC-stun you, your pet will keep interrupting him. If he purges the mezz, you got the option of kiting till the pet is on him or anything.

sometime around all that, a rr9-10 shar ranger will jump you and kill you with a FZ or a sleezzy ice storm when all shields are down, and proceede to /rofl you :<

 

[Bondoila]

Lt need to be nerfed, but what needs to be more nerfed is ml9 pets for all realms.
It will strike hardest against albion but it is also there it is most retarded. Usually facing like 2 caba pets ml9 and templar(or other pet) ml9 from sorc. Some alb groups even runing with 4 ml9 pets :<
Not that fun with sm pets with ml9 either with the silly intercept.

 

[Bondoila]

Don't need to pay him just roll a wl j/d

You will lose with wl also if sorc got moc3 up. Unless you get a perfect jump on the sorc so you can dump bl on him. Still you will have to face double dex debuff, s/c debuff, ml9 pet.

 

[eggy]

Even if he manages to QC-stun you, your pet will keep interrupting him. If he purges the mezz, you got the option of kiting till the pet is on him or anything.

Chanters can get moc too...

 

[Minstrel]

Initial mezz win != win of the fight.

The part with who wins the mezz wins the fight is preatty much dead since NF ......

 

[Bondoila]

Chanters can get moc too...

chanter can't outdmg a sorc which will get hp back. Also chanter will be double dex debuffed.

 

[Jobbegea]

the hpdrain should be disabled while in moc mode.
overall, lifedrain should be 10% hp returned of damage, instead of 50-80%
just my opinion

 

[Minstrel]

the hpdrain should be disabled while in moc mode.
overall, lifedrain should be 10% hp returned of damage, instead of 50-80%
just my opinion

Who gave u the right to an opinion?

 

[Huntingtons]

The part with who wins the mezz wins the fight is preatty much dead since NF ......

=! = not equal? i think.

 

[Puppet]

Chanters can get moc too...

Was before introducing RA's. If you bring in RA's, a sorc will win each time if he counters the RA the enemy uses. Chanter purges+MOC? You Purge + MOC aswell ==> sorc wins.


RA's goes both ways --> If your RA's are down on sorc, and chanter has em up, you might loose. If all is equal, sorc should win.

 

[Ronso]

maybe when your high body cabalist or SM? im in the better part of rr6 on sorc atm, and only got moc1 for demezzing.... its alot easier to position your self better and spend ur "moc points" on passives like MoM wp dex / acuity. but if it is the main reason for rolling a life tap class, why has urs not got it ? :O

As usual you display your knowledge ..from playing a vamp to a sorc ..

Now seen as you know my inactive spiritmaster is only rr3l6 ..and Im hoping you can add here..you can clearly see that I cant afford moc3 and seen as Im not a demezzing class..I dont see much point in moc one or two do you ? NO ? Didnt think so ...

 

[Puppet]

sometime around all that, a rr9-10 shar ranger will jump you and kill you with a FZ or a sleezzy ice storm when all shields are down, and proceede to /rofl you :<

More /rofl coz you failed to press the ML9 and RR5 button before I killed you <3

Anyhow, I do think sorcs are frigging easymode nowadays. 'Back in the days' a sorc had a rough time. Shit mezz-range, died like a fly due to lower delve AF shields, low delve lafjtap etc.

Nowadays with MOC on 10 mins timer, a superb RR5 RA which makes sorcs melee-immune, and a ML9 pet which deals more damage then a tank does... jeez easymode written all over it in the soloing game IMO

Just my 2 cents tho

 

[Sharkith]

More /rofl coz you failed to press the ML9 and RR5 button before I killed you <3

Anyhow, I do think sorcs are frigging easymode nowadays. 'Back in the days' a sorc had a rough time. Shit mezz-range, died like a fly due to lower delve AF shields, low delve lafjtap etc.

Nowadays with MOC on 10 mins timer, a superb RR5 RA which makes sorcs melee-immune, and a ML9 pet which deals more damage then a tank does... jeez easymode written all over it in the soloing game IMO

Just my 2 cents tho

can they shit bullets out of their arse?

 

[Aiteal]

fo ardd, ive been leaving them alone for a while now come alb!

are they not very filling?

you'd get more rps in Bg3 for a kill than for all those grey cons at finns

 

[saitoh]

yes nerf those bstd sorcs !

 

[Muylaetrix]

why 1000 range?

u should be playing the range game on a caster and keeping as big a distance between u and ur enemy, he has same nuke range as u so if he nukes u 1st then u got time to run out of range and force him into chasing and this is where ppl usually get sloppy. if u apply this to someone who is moccing then it just means ur gonna be 'extending' the fight for 30 secs till his moc runs out then hit face and do whatever it is the caster ur playing does best.

it was but an example of range. i was just refering to the fact that at range, unlike in mellee, you can`t escape moc-lt by walking through.


A spell that delivers the same dps as an other spell of the same level should not a) cast faster and b) return health.

having 2 bonusses and no drawbacks on your DD compared to any non LT caster is just unfair.

as it is a fire wiz (in 1.83, with 15% self debuff) with a 219 delve 2.8 sec nuke will lose in a flat all out nuke eachother with moc till one drops death, from a sorc that has 30-40+rr+skill body.

you can`t drastically change LT, but mythic can bring down the dps to a point where they don`t outperform all the best spec nukers in bang for the buck coupled at survivability.


and you can`t take away baseline stun from the hib casters, but mythic could reduce their range a bit not to make it the winner and deathsentence of any standoff at DD range. a bit like if you want to stun/nuke, you`ll have to move in the extra few yards further to your target.

 

[Commandment]

I dont see much point in moc one or two do you ? NO ? Didnt think so ...

but u have moc2 ive seen it and my inactive semi toa'd vamp is exactly the same rr as your SM, play a vamp they aint all that overpowered.

are they not very filling?

you'd get more rps in Bg3 for a kill than for all those grey cons at finns

im inpressed

 

[Ronso]

are they not very filling?

you'd get more rps in Bg3 for a kill than for all those grey cons at finns

Black Falcons finest ...

 

[Commandment]

Black Falcons finest ...

ahahahah brilliant !

 

[Tilda]

Bugz, I've played bard and sorc, and I have to say I agree with eggy.
I cant see if you say who your duo partner is, but you should have been able to do things to counteract the moc so your partner could kill him.

Firstly, play the range game like rushed said. you have 2 amnesias that are 2300(ish) range, sorc LT is 1500.
So you win mez, wack end on and back up to get some range.
If he mocs you have end on, and can take 1 step back to be out of nuke range.
So then you have lots of options.
Kite away until moc drops,
Amnesia (to remove aggro table) then mez the pet to get aggro, that leaves your duo partner to deal with the sorc. While you have pet aggro, you can kite around on sprint speed using both amnesias to knock out every 2-3 of the sorcs casts. If the sorc has a brain he wont be using spell queue so he'll have to realise amnesia is interupting him to re-press lifetap. This considerably nerfs the damage output on your buddy.
You could sos.
You could use a single target mez on the pet first, amnesia the sorc/sos and then as he's interupted (you dont have a pet on you, so can use dd/2x amnesia to keep him interupted) he'll have to moc, either to demez the pet, or to lifetap you. So then you're in this situation, his pet is mez immune, he is not, he has moc'ed, you have end up. So ST mez him, back up a bit, kill his pet and then kill him. If he purges your mez, sos and kite until pet is mezzable again, or his moc has dropped.
You could dive/run into a bridge to break his los.
Have your duo partner to stun/mez/root/fz/ml1 him. Or stun/mez/root/fear his pet.
As a duo, especially a duo with a bard as one of the 2, it really isn't hard to beat a sorc, even if its RR10 moc3, purge3, ml9 pet.

 

[Aiteal]

im inpressed

Hehe
I used to keep killing remoteaccess over and over at Finns on my shade
If there's one thing better than grey ganking, its ganking grey gankers

So when I saw all the Finns deathspam a few weeks back, I thought I'd do a wee /who Determine and when that stat came up I laughed so much I just had to screenshot it

Travelling all the way to Hib and killing 5 xp'ers with a sorc (not an arduous task by any means) and only getting 800 odd rps

Theres a kind of justice to that you have to admit.

 

[Daedalus]

The problem isn't MOC or LT, it's that all the avg DPS and damage values have gone through the roof, this never got fixed.

 

[Corran]

it was but an example of range. i was just refering to the fact that at range, unlike in mellee, you can`t escape moc-lt by walking through..

Really no point reading the rest when you start the line with such an inaccurate comment... it is piss easy to walk through casters that Moc. Doesnt matter what they trying to cast you can walk through it. Just need to know your timing.

It about the only way to kill a wl as a tank if not got stun as you can get OOV all the time, and it the same on any class, faster they cast the faster you need to move is all. Luckily as caster you find most people cant time it right.

 

[Mas]

The problem isn't MOC or LT, it's that all the avg DPS and damage values have gone through the roof, this never got fixed.

So true..

Sorcs at one time were good mezzers with pom, or good spec dd's with baseline LT which did more dmg and returned hp but used more power. Now mainly due to TOA you get dmg increase, ml's, artis, cl's all boosting the power/durability/sustainability/damage/speed etc etc which so bi/tri speccing so you can get v good mezz and v nice baseline lifetap brought up to silly standards they are today. Same with baseline stun when hibs were created there was none of the speed of casting of todays elds and chanters nor the damage, you'd be lucky to cast 5 times in a 9 sec stun let alone like now with a 10% range, 10% damage, resist pierce etc etc.... I suspect all casters need fne tuning to a standard today or other chars brought up to their level.

 

[>.< Pooned]

So true..

Sorcs at one time were good mezzers with pom, or good spec dd's with baseline LT which did more dmg and returned hp but used more power. Now mainly due to TOA you get dmg increase, ml's, artis, cl's all boosting the power/durability/sustainability/damage/speed etc etc which so bi/tri speccing so you can get v good mezz and v nice baseline lifetap brought up to silly standards they are today. Same with baseline stun when hibs were created there was none of the speed of casting of todays elds and chanters nor the damage, you'd be lucky to cast 5 times in a 9 sec stun let alone like now with a 10% range, 10% damage, resist pierce etc etc.... I suspect all casters need fne tuning to a standard today or other chars brought up to their level.

Let's hear the man that know what overpowered is .........

sorcs & base line stun thats in teh hib & alb realm right? what mids got?

isnt this a 3 realm game?

lets not speak about bonedancers and warlocks that cannot counter without moc or for banelord on casters or celerity that even now we dont have or aoe stun that even now we will not get and most of that in 1 char and most of that instant Left Axe etc etc in previous patches well........ i wanna say........

ok.

 

[xGenocidex]

dont agree with cast speed whine but.. i do agree even as an sm here moc is wayyyyyy op on ANY lifetap class

 

[fettoken]

If you want to time the moc right, you don´t use /face against run through / strafers.

 

[Raven]

just run through until the moc is over

 

[Ronso]

ahahahah brilliant !

You know how I do it ..Im not rusty at trolling it

 

[Commandment]

Hehe
I used to keep killing remoteaccess over and over at Finns on my shade
If there's one thing better than grey ganking, its ganking grey gankers

So when I saw all the Finns deathspam a few weeks back, I thought I'd do a wee /who Determine and when that stat came up I laughed so much I just had to screenshot it

Travelling all the way to Hib and killing 5 xp'ers with a sorc (not an arduous task by any means) and only getting 800 odd rps

Theres a kind of justice to that you have to admit.

ye but its a easy run, drop off at bolg kill all fins grp 5k rps and 2 min run back to DC sometimes theres lots of greys sometimes its all 50s