MOC3 and lifetap - is it a joke?

[eggy]

Anywayz, what a lot of you are missing in this thread and i mean ALOT, is it isn't down to how I play, how someone else plays or anything like that but rather the idea of 400-600 lifetap nukes healing for 300-450 each cast within 1-1.5 seconds with little chance of being interrupted.

I'm sorry, but based on the RVR experience quoted in your signature, I don't think you have the "qualifications" to say what is and isn't avoidable by playstyle. You could easily run away from a moc-ing sorc...in fact, come to think of it, very few people do - why?

If you want to kill things, sure, template an opted char and kill a lot. If you want to be exceptional, use the terrain, refine your playstyle and think of new things to counter the "OP" features of other classes.

Btw, I'm not saying I'm the "bestest ever player in the world", because I'm not; I have neither the time nor desire to spend all my time playing the game.

 

[Muylaetrix]

Riiight. So when you get instamezzed over a hill, the inability to purge and demez your group without being interrupted is for the "lame" is it?

ofc, real uber sorcs don`t need a group to leach their rp.

 

[Bugz]

I'm sorry, but based on the RVR experience quoted in your signature, I don't think you have the "qualifications" to say what is and isn't avoidable by playstyle. You could easily run away from a moc-ing sorc...in fact, come to think of it, very few people do - why?

If you want to kill things, sure, template an opted char and kill a lot. If you want to be exceptional, use the terrain, refine your playstyle and think of new things to counter the "OP" features of other classes.

Btw, I'm not saying I'm the "bestest ever player in the world", because I'm not; I have neither the time nor desire to spend all my time playing the game.

I've rvr'ed enough. And tbh, only time ive ever seen synergy in rvr is when your ganking pepps in your mincer/sorc teams or adding on fights. But hey, i don't comment do i?

Anywayz, you try and run, you get rooted, sos breaks on combat also so thts pretty fucked.

Basically, in a flat terrain (the dip area around crim), it is very hard to counter moc3 unless something like FZ is up.

Thus, this evidently means that sorceresses become a near-unkillable target in 1 vs 1's and 2 vs 1's (basically small grps) because of this RA.

 

[Coldbeard]

Instant moc3 elajttap when you get in range, insta purge if you can land any form of cc on them, the joy.

 

[Corran]

I've rvr'ed enough. And tbh, only time ive ever seen synergy in rvr is when your ganking pepps in your mincer/sorc teams or adding on fights. But hey, i don't comment do i?

Anywayz, you try and run, you get rooted, sos breaks on combat also so thts pretty fucked.

Basically, in a flat terrain (the dip area around crim), it is very hard to counter moc3 unless something like FZ is up.

Thus, this evidently means that sorceresses become a near-unkillable target in 1 vs 1's and 2 vs 1's (basically small grps) because of this RA.

SoS breaks when combat, yes.. but thats why you use sos to escape when he moc's. Then they cant stop you getting away. MoC ends and you return to kill it (rather your partner). And why should you be able to "easily" counter a 30 point RA. If someone spent that many RA points on one ability then of course they gain an ability that be very helpful for them and take some thought to get around.. You stand about and try to take down a moc lifetapper then you deserve to die. Any toon i play, moment i see a caster MoC i will do a runner. More often then not you only got a few hundred units to get out of sight because they wont stand on top of you to start casting (well most dont)

Ml9 pets no harder to mezz then any other pet anyways, always mezzing them with theurg for full duration, followed by land a full duration root if in a group. Ml9 or not makes no difference.


And i have run with synergy groups, fair bit when was Irvr in alb.. and we spent a lot of time attacking hibs in surs area. Working out ways to kite and kill the 2-4fg of hibs that kept coming along (you know, when you lot camp bridge with 50people). Takes some amount of skill to kill a dozen+ people of a zerg and then pull out and escape before coming back.. even if you die, if you took out a dozen from 32 people in balanced groups while just 1fg you done well enough, so synergy cant be totally shit, they just dont fall in with playing to others styles.

 

[Belomar]

ROFL at the "outskill" bit Bugzy keeps harping on--guess you have to hang on to the small favors! Can you spell crying kid? Oh, and baseline LT is 60% hp gain, not 75%.

Research is a virtue, my friend. (Actually, it's not, but I'll let it pass.)

 

[Betrayal]

Just outskilled aiava, some gimp sorc, 2 or 3 times with winning mezz etc.

He just purges, moc3 and lifetaps me and my duo partner down.

The annoying thing is, it isn't even skill. He doesn't even know the face button, he just moc3 lifetaps. Horner does the same, another gimp sorc etc.

Is it fair?

Should moc3 not be allowed with lifetap?

Discuss.

That is absurde, every class with casting abilities is able to cast during moc any spell they choose. So removing lt from this ra range wouldnt be fair.
Instead would like to see a minimum range for all ranged spells, at least ones with a damage component, want to do damage in melee range spec for pbaoe if you can, else keep your range, something like 300-500 units. That would be sweet. Let casters reign at range, but in close quarters force them to run

 

[Bugz]

That is absurde, every class with casting abilities is able to cast during moc any spell they choose. So removing lt from this ra range wouldnt be fair.
Instead would like to see a minimum range for all ranged spells, at least ones with a damage component, want to do damage in melee range spec for pbaoe if you can, else keep your range, something like 300-500 units. That would be sweet. Let casters reign at range, but in close quarters force them to run

I didn't quite mean stop it with lifetap but atleast do something to it. If they made it 25% life gain instead of 75% - id be happy as can be ^^

As for Belo, ill ring u when i care. Never

 

[eggy]

I didn't quite mean stop it with lifetap but atleast do something to it. If they made it 25% life gain instead of 75% - id be happy as can be ^^

As for Belo, ill ring u when i care. Never

It's 60%, not 75%. You're obviously not taking in what's been written previously.

 

[Betrayal]

That could be nice to change effect of spells cast under moc3 at 75% as well, then sms wont get 90% life but 60% (aprox) and poor sorcs only 45% (or so) :> Which again wont be a big turning point.
Just put a min. range on damage ranged spells like 300-500 units and problem is solved

 

[Bugz]

It's 60%, not 75%. You're obviously not taking in what's been written previously.

I did take it in but i'm in a rush so sorry to me for making mistakes.

But the same thing remains. 25% instead of 60% plz.

 

[Tualatin]

i almost killed 3 (BD+2 hib stealthers) with moc2 hahahaa :>

seriously: stun it, run away.. with a duo you should be able to kill a moccing sorc.

 

[Ronso]

ye but u will be rusty when u need help getting toa'd maybe? or when u want grp ?

If Im stuck for group Ill do what you do -- get into an obsolete guild through a friend rather than skill ! Ill be fine ! And I hate to inform you ..but being good at power levelling and pve with a necro and bot doesnt make you good in rvr ..as you showed me last night with your 2 runs and 2 insta deaths ..bit of a challenge when they arent lvl 30 isnt it - old buddy ...

 

[Commandment]

If Im stuck for group Ill do what you do -- get into an obsolete guild through a friend rather than skill ! Ill be fine ! And I hate to inform you ..but being good at power levelling and pve with a necro and bot doesnt make you good in rvr ..as you showed me last night with your 2 runs and 2 insta deaths ..bit of a challenge when they arent lvl 30 isnt it - old buddy ...

cba ok u won or something, im rolling on my care floor.

 

[duact]

Riiight. So when you get instamezzed over a hill, the inability to purge and demez your group without being interrupted is for the "lame" is it?

real uubersorcs dont get mezzed m8

 

[Ronso]

my first post was about you saying people roll a LT class to only use moc
but ofc thats why yours doesnt have it :<

I still think that most people roll lifetap classes cause of the moc factor ..obviously it would be slightly different for a grp sorc whose job isnt to moc unload but if I was rolling a character to solo and grp on in alb ..it would be a cabby or sorc for the simple reason that moc lt is niass Good delve ..nice casting speed.

And the only active druid in AR - 2,314,480rp 50 Druid Celt

 

[Stallion]

jesus this thread is just getting better and better.

flames flying back and forth.. epeens getting stroked and cut off. Random claims with no facts to back it up.. clueless posts by a arrogant teenager (hi Bugz) keep it comming mates... makes time at work flow like in a timemachine..

 

[Commandment]

I still think that most people roll lifetap classes cause of the moc factor ..obviously it would be slightly different for a grp sorc whose job isnt to moc unload but if I was rolling a character to solo and grp on in alb ..it would be a cabby or sorc for the simple reason that moc lt is niass Good delve ..nice casting speed.

And the only active druid in AR - 2,314,480rp 50 Druid Celt

lt only has good damage at the higher RR'S when you can afford the passives, lt damage at lower RR is fucking piss make u wanna cry.

that celt aint exactly active

 

[Commandment]

jesus this thread is just getting better and better.

flames flying back and forth.. epeens getting stroked and cut off. Random claims with no facts to back it up.. clueless posts by a arrogant teenager (hi Bugz) keep it comming mates... makes time at work flow like in a timemachine..

you so just jinxd it :<

 

[Ronso]

you so just jinxd it :<

He fucking did ..lets grab a beer m8 Well my rr2 dark sm handed statued's chanter his arse 5 times in a row when he was rr5 plus ...and I had passive ra's there ..still hit hard enough with no template for about 300-400 when mids had no relics so ..aint bad -

 

[Belomar]

I did take it in but i'm in a rush so sorry to me for making mistakes.

What was that you said about research again?

 

[>.< Pooned]

32k made this morning.

Ta.

this morning u overpwne me m8 with 4 instead of 2 and 1 rr9 druid irl friend was in also a blademaster and the same gimp banshee with ur bard xD

this time u loose mezz shame tanks got charge and then..... ur druid instants

 

[Kwidz]

u guys suck

 

[Bugz]

this morning u overpwne me m8 with 4 instead of 2 and 1 rr9 druid irl friend was in also a blademaster and the same gimp banshee with ur bard xD

this time u loose mezz shame tanks got charge and then..... ur druid instants

Actually, it was a different bainshee.

Hi2u.

 

[Bugz]

What was that you said about research again?

K bbz.

 

[Bugz]

jesus this thread is just getting better and better.

flames flying back and forth.. epeens getting stroked and cut off. Random claims with no facts to back it up.. clueless posts by a arrogant teenager (hi Bugz) keep it comming mates... makes time at work flow like in a timemachine..

Your so cool mate.

Btw, i am v.arrogant, which is why i r better than u in every way xD

 

[ebenezer]

Your so cool mate.

Btw, i am v.arrogant, which is why i r better than u in every way xD

You both seem like splendid live aid material. Modest and Helpfull with pointers and tips