Legion Raids

[old.Wildfire]

wassup? feeling inadequate?

What do you get from being a higher level than someone else? More abilities. What do you get from being a higher realm rank than someone else? More abilities. Mythic simply didn't raise the level cap because it would mean more levelling for everyone, which wasn't their aim for the game.

A 5L0 character of any class is superior to a 1L0 character of the same class.

 

[Kagato.]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
When will people learn that level 50 isn't the highest level in the game... realm ranks and abilities are there for a reason y'know...

Correct me if im wrong, which im sure you will anyway, but most people here are well aware of RR5=51 in regards to dps and af, and have commented on it. Its not some big secret. And all but you seem to agree it doesn't come above fairness between all level 50ies who can use the item almost as good and sooner or later just as good as.

 

[Exiled]

Originally posted by Herbal Remedy
and treniels a twat even if he did get it hed still hide on milegates using his xbow

dooo it post that pic for ol times sake

 

[matthius]

here here I am the guy with the polearm btw (just post under old name) and I agree with the last couple of posts. First of all many dont know the situation as to how a lvl 42 got the polearm on a 48+ raid, well I used another armsman called Flannigan, a lvl 50 armsman. So as lvl's go, i qualified to receive the pole. Tbh I do feel sry for ya tren, but i don't honestly believe you are the only person wanting the pole too...its just you are the only one who posted about it whining which aint ganna do you any favours at all. Can't you grow up? Sooner or later you too will eventually get the polearm, and with SC coming up maybe something even better.

Also I didn't really appreciate the pm's you sent me yesterday. One of your reasons for you having the polearm instead of me was that I was a standard player compared to you, now just cause you are rr7, lvl 50 you dont really have the right to say stuff like that as I have had many many chars, 3 of which i have leveled up 1 - 42 at least, and 2 46's (which are no longer in use).

Finally, just live with the decision, all the moaning and whining isn't ganna change anyones mind

 

[old.Wildfire]

nice brag post ^

btw as much of a cock as treniel is, I'm sure he knows how to play the class as well/better than you so I don't think you have any grounds to be bragging here. You simply resemble the younger brother, waving the lollypop around singing "ner ner na ner ner" because mummy gave it to you.

 

[Kagato.]

Keep on trolling, im sure it makes you feel ever more elite

 

[matthius]

wildfire, where did I brag ? all i said was that I was the guy that received the pole, and even if he is rr7, does not mean at all he knows how to play the game better then anyone else, it's just he may have no social life.

 

[old.Wildfire]

"Keep on trolling"



Perchance you mean "trawling" (but that wouldn't make any sense either)

Would a lvl 50 drop from a mob be given to a lvl 48 player in the group when there's a lvl 50 that wants it? No. You can draw the parallels yourself because I'm getting bored of doing it over and over and it just going straight through your head and out of the other side.

edit: Matthius come play with FC sometime, and we'll see how good you are, ye?

 

[matthius]

the fact that the drop went to LoD gives the LoD player in charge of the group the right to lotto bewteen people that attended the raid from the guild, seeing as I was only armsman I got the drop!

And I don't think I would wish to play with FC anytime

 

[Khalen]

(WARNING - WARNING - Xtra Long Post, take your time - WARNING - WARNING)

A good group with good people wouldn't even argue about such a drop... Ofcourse it went to the merc (although a slash infil could use it a bit better although + evade items are bugged ). And surely I agree a slash polearm like legion should go to a slash polearm user (which it did) but your point was that ONLY the RR5 ones should get items. Which will indicate that at some time all those RR5 people would have their drops and fancy items and all those other people who went with em each time got 0 for their work. And frankly I wonder if those people who had it all still came to help raid x times for the items for the others who aren't RR5. (Heck they don't help others even to get RPS or learn how to play better). Maybe this should clear abit how a lot of people think. I have no problems with FC or what so ever I have a problem with a dude called Wildfire who thinks he's the man by insulting people over mere items which he claims he doesn't even want (then why whine I wonder, bit strange ain't it, don't want item but if someone else gets it you moan, seems illogical to me... It's like another little kid (who shouldn't be eating an icecream yet but as we all know sometimes we wanna do things which are naughty) gets an icecream and you don't because you don't wanna and then you kick the kid who did get it, drifting a bit off me thinks )

But be my guest if yah wanna make a new way of sharing drops, wonder how it looks like, rules, etc. And then try to get the people and lead em (and I can tell yah that's the hardest part )
Tiarta and me and lots of others have taken a long time to sort our way of sharing drops and as far as I can remember we never had a whine about a drop because guild got drops until one day a guild thought they got less they wanted for their work (hence even that guild had several sword drops and other true legion drops where as some other guilds never had any sword drop for example). Why this guild suddenly didn't wanna participate was uncertain but my guess would be they wanted specific drops. We all know why we couldn't do that because others would whine so they left...

1. The point is will those guilds who have their weapons keep on going hunting for others as well? (think that's the question all others are asking for themselves..) Because if so then I think others will surely make it work. Heck I will even help if yah keep yah word.
2. In what order would you determine drops to which player? (I presume to highest RPS)
3. Would you keep a list of each wanted item? (for example a player who wanted a sword and a shield, would there be 2 lists one for the sword and one for the shield. I've thought of this myself a lot of times but it takes so much work and we all wanna play for fun not to work )
4. Would an item go to a person who wasn't RR5 but was next on the list go to that person or would someone with RR5 get another sword?
5. Could other guilds join later on as well?
6. What if a guild can't or doesn't show up? (in case of to few people online, guild events that are special, etc.)

Maybe I can think of some more questions later on when there is a profile, but these are some I did with the raids I've leaded with Tiarta..

Just one thing Wildfire don't ever make people ridiculous in the way you do. The bigger they are the harder they fall... never forget that... If you wanna make enemies it's fine with me but don't claim you do it in the good of the people because insulting people is not the way people do good...

(inside my guild we give drop (hence give drop) to a person who actually came on the raid and can use it, but those are rules made inside a guild. I would never (and a lot of others either) be bound to rules I didn't agree on (as is the free will of people in a free country))

 

[Tiarta]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
"Keep on trolling"



Perchance you mean "trawling" (but that wouldn't make any sense either)

Would a lvl 50 drop from a mob be given to a lvl 48 player in the group when there's a lvl 50 that wants it? No. You can draw the parallels yourself because I'm getting bored of doing it over and over and it just going straight through your head and out of the other side.

edit: Matthius come play with FC sometime, and we'll see how good you are, ye?

make your own Legion raid Wildfire with all lvl 50 rr5+ so all are egible for 100 % legion drops, i dont think so many will show up.

its easy to kill prince for prince drops, what ppl want is Legion drops, legion has some nifty resists and nice proc, lvl 50 can use the resists and proc. so its not a lvl 51 itam when proc goes off at lvl 50.

the last armorfactor that you miss or dps is soo little it doesnt even matter.

hope you get your legion drops Wildifre & Treniel, but if you keep on whining i doubt you will get invited to anymore, but that not up to me, Fixx is arranging that.


best regards

 

[old.Wildfire]

Yes well done tiarta you clearly failed to notice that legion doesn't JUST drop 16.5dps weapons, AF 102 armour and AF 51 cloth.

F- : fail

 

[Tiarta]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
Yes well done tiarta you clearly failed to notice that legion doesn't JUST drop 16.5dps weapons, AF 102 armour and AF 51 cloth.

F- : fail

what i said is why go on legion raid for prince drops if you dont have a chance for Legion drop.

you might as well not participate on the legion raid and just do a simple prince raid.

Best regards

 

[old.Wildfire]

Be my guest... we're not talking about prince raids though are we?

 

[leorin]

..

I agree with Khalen. Wildfire telling that we dont read before we speak but lets make this clear:

EVEN IF A CHAR CANT USE THIS VERY GOOD WPN TO 100% ITS STILL A DAMN GOOD WEAPON FAR BETTER THEN OTHERS.

had to do caps to make some ppls wake up.

And common sense is attend to a hunt and u shall have a chance to take part of loot.

About FC being active in Albions wellfare i cba to discuss anymore. /who emain when relic is threatened says it all.
U lot can say ahh we had it under control etc but imagine if every guild would think like u ? What would happen?
Just very foolish to believe you have control , u thought u had control of Excalibur relics of 1 reason. Because of other albs standing there having patience and waiting.

And big cheers to Teleri/Tiarta for like always aslong as i have been in this game leading keep retake raids and always being 1st at spot when the realm is threatened.

If someone should be No1 it should be her on rp ladders etc she help u lot to keep relics safe so u can farm with relic bonuses.

That is unselfishness, not u greedy lot Treniel, Wildfire etc crying on BW for not get getting items and say they are misplaced.

Wildfire - nxt time think before talking

Amen

 

[old.Wildfire]

I would just like to point out that my opinions are my own and have nothing to do with FC - hell I'm not even a member at the moment.

Why is a 16.5dps weapon any better to a 16.2dps user than a 16.2dps weapon by the way? It aint. I don't think "need" really factors into DAoC at all - after all, it's a game - no-one can say they "need" anything. What does matter though is common sense, selflessness and "the good of the realm".

None of you have any grounds to slag off FC for not defending our relics. When hibs/mids have attacked we/they have been there every single time. When they dont show up, neither do we/they. On the flipside, which guild has lead the past two successful alb raids (and one other, kinda)?

 

[-Wedge-]

Its funny that you say there are 'many' RR5 Wizards out there, but there arent... There are 10, yes 10, Wizards that are RR5 and only 8 of those 10 are still active... And even going a bit further, 1 of those 8 is a mid-swaped character...

That would mean as RR5 wizard, you'd have a 1 out of 8 chance for an uber drop, while as infiltrator you dont even have a 1 out of 20 chance for an uber drop... (I think Minstrels have it even worse) (btw, cabalists would have a field day, only 3 active RR5+ cabalists)

Thats not fair...

Saying RR5 detirmins skill, thats definitly not true, I've beaten RR6 players and I've been spanked by RR1's ... I can easely earn 10k a night in Emain but thats not what I call 'fun'...

At least a lotto between guilds is semi fair (if you wanted total fairness you would take upcome size in account too, e.g. guilds bringing 2 fg's have more chance for drops then one bringing 4 members)...

And as said, honest to got, 0.3Dps wont kill you... Or that 2AF extra... (and for all intents and purposes, for a wizard RR5 does jack sh*t so it was a bad comparison)

 

[old.Wildfire]

What you're forgetting (or choosing to ignore?) is that "uber" legion/dragon drops are without exception (to the best of my knowledge) generic. That is to say with the exception of class-specific weapons like polearms, spears etc all 16.5/102/51 drops are able to be used by more than one class. There are 159 RR5+ players on excal/alb as well, so it's not as if they're rare...

 

[Tiarta]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
What you're forgetting (or choosing to ignore?) is that "uber" legion/dragon drops are without exception (to the best of my knowledge) generic. That is to say with the exception of class-specific weapons like polearms, spears etc all 16.5/102/51 drops are generic and can be used by more than one class. There are 119 RR5+ players on excal/alb as well, so it's not as if they're rare...

then go organize with rr5+ ppl

best regards

 

[old.Wildfire]

oh ffs

fo tiarta k. cba arguing with u if u wont read whats gone before.

 

[Jiggs]

no wildfire i think u missed the point:

to open DF you need people to take keeps

NOT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE RR5

to kill legion you need alot of people

NOT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE RR5



what you are saying is in essence:

lower RR people should do all this work to help get drops for people higher RR then them, i dont think a raid will get very far on your ideas...

and treniel didnt even make it to legion so i dont think he even has a right to start this thread.

 

[old.Wildfire]

YOU

ARE

IGNORING

WHAT

HAS

ALREADY

BEEN

SAID

Remember the jackass scene with the guy yelling into his mobile phone and blood starts coming out of his ear? That's kinda how I'm feeling right now.

Sure, the people who aren't RR5 wont get the 16.5/102/51 drops. They will get drops that are suited to their level - as there are a selection of 16.2DPS weapons, armour, items and seals that they are all elligible for.

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO FRICKEN SAY THIS

 

[Tiarta]

/em mumbles something about being happy that Wildfire is not arranging Legion raids

 

[old.Wildfire]

Tiarta Warmaiden : Realm Rank Myrmidon (RR3)
Leorin TjoHoooo : Realm Rank Gryphon Knight (RR4)
Jiggs Darklighter : Realm Rank Gryphon Knight (RR4)
Wedge : Realm Rank Warder (RR2)
Magmatic : Realm Rank Gryphon Knight (RR4)
Kagato Dragonheart : Realm Rank Myrmidon (RR3)
Cadwallon : Realm Rank Myrmidon (RR3)
Fingoniel McAlpine : Realm Rank Warder (RR2)
Bracken Woodman : Realm Rank Gryphon Knight (RR4)
Belthazor Shadowfang : Realm Rank Gryphon Knight (RR4)

What's this? A pattern?

 

[Jiggs]

oh FO wild i'm like 60k short or something lol

the point i'm making is that working towards killing legion = reward

getting RR5: thats your own perogative not mine or anyone elses

 

[-Wedge-]

Why are the 16.5/102/51 drops so much more special then the other drops, not because of their 0.3 extra Dps or their 2AF more...

Because of the stats on those items, and to my knowledge, those stats do not require you to be RR5...

And I also think that the 16.2/100/50 drops arent 100% qual, are they?

So we are 'fighting' over 0.3Dps and 2AF... Which infact do not make the item itself 'uber'... The stats on them do that...

And you actually looked up my stats pretty impressive though, my armsman was R2L8 since level 42 ... And that was when 'Wildfire' wasnt born yet ... So in fact, if you add up all my Rps on different chars, I actually have RR5

 

[Tiarta]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
Tiarta Warmaiden : Realm Rank Myrmidon (RR3)
Leorin TjoHoooo : Realm Rank Gryphon Knight (RR4)
Jiggs Darklighter : Realm Rank Gryphon Knight (RR4)
Wedge : Realm Rank Warder (RR2)
Magmatic : Realm Rank Gryphon Knight (RR4)
Kagato Dragonheart : Realm Rank Myrmidon (RR3)
Cadwallon : Realm Rank Myrmidon (RR3)
Fingoniel McAlpine : Realm Rank Warder (RR2)
Bracken Woodman : Realm Rank Gryphon Knight (RR4)
Belthazor Shadowfang : Realm Rank Gryphon Knight (RR4)

What's this? A pattern?

A pattern of what ?

not farming Emain all the time ?


maybe caring more for own backyard more ?

 

[Treniel-]

Jiggs the armsman who got the LSS in your guild was 42 as well and had like 7k rp (i remember looking it up at the time) and this just takes the piss tbh. LoD are doing sumthing alot better giving it to another armsman who is nearer to RR5 to use for the time being. Let me put sumthing straight i'm not having a go at LoD or Flixxs guild i'm having a go at the current drop system on legion raids.

Posted By Wedge

Saying only RR5+ should apply for those is stupid, I myself am 'only' RR4L8, which means I wouldnt be able to apply for an uber wizard drop... Ok, you could say: but your nearly there, so its OK... Well, if thats the case, where do you draw the line?

when your less than 100k instead of 500k would seem to make more sense mate

Posted By Khalen

And I do not see any reason why some people who think their L337 already to have any items...

I don't think i'm 1337 and i certainly don't think i should get a LSS just because i'm RR5 and lvl 50....i'm saying that it takes the piss that a LEVEL FORTYTWO lets just get this straight its Red/Purple to him...WTF IS THE POINT?

Posted by Leorin

Further on i suggest we organise hunts etc to collect items for FC members since they r very active RvR

And guys do as wildfire begg u all items to RR5, but ofcourse even if i aint RR5 and aint lvl 50 i would still love to be able to help u gathering good gear for the defense of albion.

Hmm did /Who emain a week or 2 ago when Excalibur was Threatened correct me if i am wrong but i think it said like

15 players bla bla

Fc 1
Fc 2
Fc 3
Fc 4
Fc 5

.....and so on

But ofcourse i would like to gather items for u to fill your selfish needs .

Amen

urm Leorin when the hell did this become anything about Relic Raids??? and on that particular occasion i was in contact with sum1 at the relic via /sends and /asend every 5min or so the second another realm went to the relic we suicide...on whatever is near..just prefer to be doing sumthing rather then standing arround for hours looking like complete pillocks when they don't attack.

Posted by Bracken

If drops can only go to RR5 characters, then maybe only RR5 characters should do legion raids... it doesnt seem fair somehow to ask people 47+ to turn up because they are needed and then state that only those rr5 will get drops

i'm not saying only RR5s should get drops as legion drops at least 10 others that any RR/45+ can use.......

Khalen you know as well as i do that 1.8% or whatever it is quite alot with polearms...it may be less than 50 but it still could effect outcome of a RvR battle ie bard has 1hp left after i hit him a few times uses a instant and messes the grp and then procedes to kill us all with his own grp? that extra few dmg could kill him and win battle.

 

[K0nah]

i'd like to point out that noone speaks FOR [FC] except the officers, treniel is not an officer and neither was wildfire. both display thier talents for flaming admirably in this thread. gj guys.

a 16.5dps weapon IS wasted in the hands of a non rr5+, simple fact. does that mean they shouldnt want one or have one? no.

/end of

 

[Treniel-]

doh clicked on reply button by mistake

If the level range is 45+ then I would say everyone who is 45+ is eligible.

EXACTLY and not a lvl bloody 42! the level was arranged at 48+ when we joined disscussed that with Fixx myself..

The fact of the matter is that a -RR5 can go on a raid and get a "lvl 51" weapon...and if they can use it fair enough....BUT TO GIVE A LEGION DROP!!! to a level 42 is just plain taking the piss and twice ffs....


Leorin go shove your head where the sun don't shine your talking more bs than Xanthian does...and konah is right neither me nor wildfire speak for FC...i never said i did, so i duno htf they got involved in this disscussion. Just because i wear the tag does not mean i speak for them. Look towards the GMs for that. Yes i am anoyed i didn't get it but i would be less anoyed if it went to sumbody who is 50 and has a chance within the next week or so to be using it in RvR (which is lets face it what the legion drops are for) seeing as they are aimed to be towards players with a certain amount of RP.

the amount of RP doesn't involve skill at all i never said it has its just how long u play it for...and seeing as i played it since day one i'm bound to have more than sum1 that started last week.

p.s is it a diff person playing Leorin now? the old one who was in RB used to be a laugh.