Politics Labour Implosion

Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by Gumbo, Jun 28, 2016.

  1. Gumbo

    Gumbo FH is my second home

    It's something I really don't understand. If they are so sure that Corbyn's way is the way ahead, why didn't he create his new extreme lefty party. They could even call it Momentum, and see how they get on. Instead they've destroyed their own party entirely.

    We now have at least 9 years of unopposed Tories. I am largely Tory, because I'm a middle class business owner, but I acknowledge the need for a decent opposition to keep things sensible.
     
  2. Job

    Job The Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse

    I've only just found out in was in the Liverpool Arena...just great..more association with Trotskys.
     
  3. Lamp

    Lamp I am a FH squatter

    He looks such a scruff bag.
     
  4. throdgrain

    throdgrain FH is my second home

    Nail on the head, now we could end up with a John Major tory government, and there's no-one to fight against it.
     
  5. Ormorof

    Ormorof FH is my second home

    Well he won the leadership election (again) so clearly the party membership disagrees with the "rebel MPs" who are quite welcome to form their own party but wont because they think they can hold onto their cushy seats better as members of the labour party

    While some may see him as unelectable it is refreshing to have an opposition that actually opposes what the government is doing
     
  6. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    "Opposes" by doing absolutely fuck all as far as I can see
     
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  7. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    The current party membership (and 'registered supporters' let us not forget) is also quite at odds with traditional Labour voters. It doesn't prove a thing about electability in a general election.

    As for the MPs most have been in the Labour party a damn sight longer than the current membership and registered supporters have so it's a bit of a cheek telling them to fuck off and form their own party.
     
  8. Ormorof

    Ormorof FH is my second home

    And being in a party whose membership is opposed to their ideals is somehow better? If the demographics/thinking of membership has changed faster than that of the mps perhaps its time for new mps
     
  9. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    The Labour party has always been told how to think by its financial backers (Unions) and members (members of unions and other idiotic groups) not its MPs.

    This is hardly a surprise or anything new.

    Its only even noticeable because of the Blair years where sycophants got selected rather than die hard Labour people.

    That worked for them in the past when we had a manual fully unioned workforce, not so much now.

    Going forward they have two choices, modernise and bin the unions (and look for different funding) or Corbyn.
     
  10. Zarjazz

    Zarjazz Unemployed Bum Travelling The World.

    I'm honestly not sure what all the fuss is about. A political party exists because of it's members. If they want the party to have certain policies and leader(s) that is who they choose. A lot of the Labour MP's seem to think the primary role of a political party is to get elected. It's not.

    The public vote for parties that have policies they believe in. The ones complaining think the party needs to pick a leader & policies that have the highest chance of getting elected. It doesn't even seem to matter if they believe in them or not. That seems like completely backward logic to me. Gotta love modern politicians.
     
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  11. Job

    Job The Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse

    You need an opposition that could actually challenge in an election, without that, you are simply a pub meet for the converted.
     
  12. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Agreed. However, if the opposition is only going to deliver stuff that you don't want, or that the tories do (like New Labour) then what's the point?

    The opposition has to be ideologically opposed, or if not ideologically - at least have an alternative. If the alternative is shite, then the in-powers are doing the right thing by the electorate.

    It's not set in stone that they have to change every few years...
     
  13. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    OMG - I agree with Job.
     
  14. Jupitus

    Jupitus Old and short, no wonder I'm grumpy! Staff member Moderator FH Subscriber

    You need to take a good hard look at yourself, young man!
     
  15. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    fnarrrr
     
  16. Jupitus

    Jupitus Old and short, no wonder I'm grumpy! Staff member Moderator FH Subscriber

  17. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Fnarrrr apparently!
     
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  18. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    From some of the hilarious ideas and downright confusion from yesterday I don't think even Labour think they have a hope of winning the election. Even the most socialist of socialists can see that most of it is utter nonsense and would never work.
     
  19. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    They still stand no real chance of winning the next election.
     
  20. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    They will have split before then anyway.
     
  21. Job

    Job The Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse

    2 weeks is along time in politics, let alone 2 years.
    Shit happens, unexpected people are left in charge.
     

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