Jimmy Savile child abuser?

[old.user4556]

There's certainly been a shift in my generation, everyone's peado radars are a lot more sensitive than they used to be.

I've got my suspicions about existing celebrities, but I dare not vocalise whom.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Fairly sure FH isn't scoured by legal bods looking for libel breaches.... go nuts

 

[rynnor]

Fairly sure FH isn't scoured by legal bods looking for libel breaches.... go nuts

Not really a good idea tbh.

 

[old.user4556]

Fairly sure FH isn't scoured by legal bods looking for libel breaches.... go nuts

Nah.

There's another level below; the creepy layer - that's where people like Bruce Forsyth belong.

 

[TdC]

Refusing to believe something just implies arrogance, so I'll presume you meant "I find that difficult to believe".

well yes, that's right. if you want formal and precise language that is. I do find it difficult to believe. Exceptionally difficult in fact. It's true that at certain times certain behaviours were either criticized or thought well of that are now not/reversed/forgotten, but behaviour naming someone a bit of a rogue in the 1890's would very likely have them shut away today whereas the time frame you're talking about is within my lifetime. I have a real problem accepting that a pedophile 30 years ago would get away with molesting kids in full view of the public

 

[soze]

I think the explosion of the Internet has made this shit impossible to sweep under the rug anymore. Before hand you could send a few bribes and tidy this up. Now it can hit Twitter and Facebook and be massive in minutes. So a few bungs to the press and the parents means the victims story never ever gets out,

 

[Scouse]

I dare not vocalise whom.

If you say "I think" rather than "I know" then it's fine m8.

We should be allowed to discuss whatever the fuck we like.

 

[Tom]

I have a real problem accepting that a pedophile 30 years ago would get away with molesting kids in full view of the public

Well believe it, because Jimmy Savile is a case in point. Sometimes, preconceptions are difficult to overcome. After all, there isn't a single homosexual footballer in the entire English Football League. Apparently.

/edit - just so we're clear, I'm not suggesting that homosexuality and paedophilia are comparable.

 

[Bahumat]

Well believe it, because Jimmy Savile is a case in point. Sometimes, preconceptions are difficult to overcome. After all, there isn't a single homosexual footballer in the entire English Football League. Apparently.

/edit - just so we're clear, I'm not suggesting that homosexuality and paedophilia are comparable.

Omg you Gayedo!

 

[old.user4556]

I knew he had property in Glencoe, but I didn't realise it was THIS particular house:

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=e...itoI7zXw4h3r8RZZ9T5ynA&cbp=12,275.69,,0,-3.98

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-20116281

Great - one of the most gorgeous parts of the world, not just Scotland and there is a paedo den right in the middle of it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

There's certainly been a shift in my generation, everyone's peado radars are a lot more sensitive than they used to be.

Bad for business eh?

 

[Yoni]

What has annoyed me more than anything was an article by a girl who was abused whilst receiving treatment for spinal injuries in 1971 who is quoted as saying that she is gutted that he will not be brought to justice....

She has had over 40 years to make her case..... There is no point in her being gutted now.

If more people had spoken up 40 years ago maybe the number of those abused would not have reached 300 ;(

 

[rynnor]

What has annoyed me more than anything was an article by a girl who was abused whilst receiving treatment for spinal injuries in 1971 who is quoted as saying that she is gutted that he will not be brought to justice....

She has had over 40 years to make her case..... There is no point in her being gutted now.

If more people had spoken up 40 years ago maybe the number of those abused would not have reached 300 ;(

She probably did complain at the time but no-one believed her - from my memories of the 70s there was a lot of shit going on that wouldn't happen today and children were still assumed to be lieing if they made allegations against teachers/carers etc. Teachers could still legally strike children and I remember certain rumours about certain teachers in the showers with the kids... It took the massive childline and other repeated terrible cases to change consciousness.

In the 70s the child would have to have come and sat in court with the person she accused and face hostile cross examination - potentially from the abuser - how many kids would want to face that? I think its pretty harsh to blame the victims for being scared and largely powerless.

 

[soze]

What has annoyed me more than anything was an article by a girl who was abused whilst receiving treatment for spinal injuries in 1971 who is quoted as saying that she is gutted that he will not be brought to justice....

She has had over 40 years to make her case..... There is no point in her being gutted now.

If more people had spoken up 40 years ago maybe the number of those abused would not have reached 300 ;(

No one offered to buy her story until now. I don't want to sound harsh but her coming forward now has nothing to do with Justice UNLESS she has named people that helped with the cover up and will provide evidence against them in court.

 

[Tom]

Or maybe she consigned it to history and got on with her life. I'd imagine that forgetting something like that isn't easy when it's all over the news.

 

[Yoni]

Sorry doesn't wash with me at all..... Apparently her marriage of 9 years was destroyed by what happened.... If you are that affected you will keep on pushing for justice.... Just think 300 at least have been molested many of which could have been prevented if those abused earlier had been more vocal.

 

[old.Tohtori]

People react differently. Some cocoon, some cry bloody murder. Can't really say what she should've done as i've never been violated like that(no a weekend at Wijs doesn't count), but i can agree that after 40 years now having big issues with no justice is a bit much.

 

[rynnor]

Sorry doesn't wash with me at all..... Apparently her marriage of 9 years was destroyed by what happened.... If you are that affected you will keep on pushing for justice.... Just think 300 at least have been molested many of which could have been prevented if those abused earlier had been more vocal.

Presumably many of the children were ashamed and thought it was something wrong with them or even something normal - as with today most victims were from the care system or had mental health issues - I think you are applying adult judgements to vulnerable kids.

Edit - lets also not forget the attitudes of the Police/CPS - if you could somehow convince them that the offense took place they would probably still not pursue the case because of lack of evidence.

Its still not that easy today - look at that prolific rapist who drove a taxi - he was up in court many times but because he only targeted drunk young women and there was no real evidence he got away with it for years.

 

[rynnor]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/mar/14/taxi-rapist-worboys

And these were adults.

 

[Tom]

Sorry doesn't wash with me at all..... Apparently her marriage of 9 years was destroyed by what happened.... If you are that affected you will keep on pushing for justice.... Just think 300 at least have been molested many of which could have been prevented if those abused earlier had been more vocal.

"Mum, Jimmy Savile touched me" - "Oh don't be silly!"

"Mum, Jimmy Savile tried to kiss me" - "Well that's just what men do love, be more careful next time."

"Mum, I had sex with Jimm" - oh wait, how many teenage girls would admit that to their parents?

"Mum, I sucked Jimmy Savile's knob"

"Mum, Jimmy Savile said if I stuck my finger up his bum, I'd get to be on telly"

 

[soze]

Or maybe she consigned it to history and got on with her life. I'd imagine that forgetting something like that isn't easy when it's all over the news.

If she had just gone to tell the police so he could be charged then that's fine and noble to bring up something that traumatic just to make sure it does not happen again. But anyone who sells their story is not struggling with what has happened they are cashing in on what has happened. "For years I have lived with this and I have not been able to love it has effected so many areas of my life! I could not tell people and it has eaten me up inside. Now I can get a few grand though I am ready for everyone who reads the sun can know my story!"

 

[Yoni]

"Mum, Jimmy Savile touched me" - "Oh don't be silly!"

"Mum, Jimmy Savile tried to kiss me" - "Well that's just what men do love, be more careful next time."

"Mum, I had sex with Jimm" - oh wait, how many teenage girls would admit that to their parents?

"Mum, I sucked Jimmy Savile's knob"

"Mum, Jimmy Savile said if I stuck my finger up his bum, I'd get to be on telly"

Sorry Tom but she had 40 years...... And she chooses to come forward after he has died, aggrieved that he didn't get prosecuted.

Yes it was probably more difficult then, yes she may have felt ashamed.... So why come forward now.

This kind of behaviour makes me wonder how many of the new allegations are true? (Although I am in no doubt he was a disgusting perv believe you me!)

 

[rynnor]

If she had just gone to tell the police so he could be charged then that's fine and noble to bring up something that traumatic just to make sure it does not happen again. But anyone who sells their story is not struggling with what has happened they are cashing in on what has happened. "For years I have lived with this and I have not been able to love it has effected so many areas of my life! I could not tell people and it has eaten me up inside. Now I can get a few grand though I am ready for everyone who reads the sun can know my story!"

Or alternatively she now feels that she can finally speak up and be believed - similar to what happened in that rapist's case I posted above. As you say noone would make this shit up about themselves for a few hundred quid.

 

[rynnor]

Sorry Tom but she had 40 years...... And she chooses to come forward after he has died, aggrieved that he didn't get prosecuted.

Yes it was probably more difficult then, yes she may have felt ashamed.... So why come forward now.

This kind of behaviour makes me wonder how many of the new allegations are true? (Although I am in no doubt he was a disgusting perv believe you me!)

Past cases of prolific sexual offenders show that many do come forward once people are taking it seriously/offender has been convicted and that a larger number will never come forward.

If the testimony is true then saville probably averaged at least one victim a day for the best part of 40 years - to me that puts a basic estimate of around 14,000 victims - I dont think we are anywhere near that yet.

 

[Job]

The goalpost have moved, thirty years ago dirty old men were the normal hazards of growing up, people laughed and carried on, now they are scarred for life.
Everyone's jumping on their high horse and pointing the finger , there's hardly a man alive who hasn't done something that could been construed as sexual assault if the girl recounted to to a judge.

 

[soze]

Or alternatively she now feels that she can finally speak up and be believed - similar to what happened in that rapist's case I posted above. As you say noone would make this shit up about themselves for a few hundred quid.

Now he is dead what good does selling the story do other than make money. In my mind her primary motive in coming forward is making a few quid. You can tell the police and tell all your family and friends if you want to get it out there and to help you get over it.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Job, fuck off.

The things you say are are so fucking retarded I want to hurt things.

 

[rynnor]

Now he is dead what good does selling the story do other than make money. In my mind her primary motive in coming forward is making a few quid. You can tell the police and tell all your family and friends if you want to get it out there and to help you get over it.

Maybe she thought it would help other people to come forward - the majority still haven't it seems.

 

[Job]

Fuck off yourself Whazz and try to bend your blinkered mind past the end of your dick, I grew up in the days all this abuse was going on and dirty old men asking girls to show them their knickers for 10p was a common conversation in the park, it was just tolerated more then, that's how he got away with it and then fine tuned his approach over the years.
When you hear that live broadcast where he's groping that young girls ass and she's just telling him to 'gettoff!', because back then the interaction between the sexes hadn't had twenty years of PC pasted over it.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I have no issue with you claiming that these practices were more common in recent past times.

I have major issues with you making horrific blanket statements like "there's hardly a man alive who hasn't done something that could been construed as sexual assault if the girl recounted to to a judge" because they're absolute utter bollocks.