Jimmy Savile child abuser?

[old.Tohtori]

There's quite a cultural difference in this. Which country holds the legal age veto?

 

[caLLous]

The country that the child is in?

 

[old.Tohtori]

I meant as a humanity, because if it's completely dependent on the location, then there is no right answer for a right age.

We'd probably have to go see some native folk in the jungles to see what they do to find the natural -real- answer to the question

 

[rynnor]

I meant as a humanity, because if it's completely dependent on the location, then there is no right answer for a right age.

We'd probably have to go see some native folk in the jungles to see what they do to find the natural -real- answer to the question

Not really - if you found a society that ate people or sacrificed baby's to their gods would you want to emulate them?

I guess your just playing the old devils advocate but you are really starting to sound like a paedophile apologist.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I guess your just playing the old devils advocate but you are really starting to sound like a paedophile apologist.

That's just your weird look on it, and there's nothing for the devil to advocate in what i said about cultural difference (ass the discussion had turned away from the case at hand and more general topic).

"I don't agree with this guy so he must like little children lol!", yeah, way to go

 

[rynnor]

That's just your weird look on it, and there's nothing for the devil to advocate in what i said about cultural difference (ass the discussion had turned away from the case at hand and more general topic).

"I don't agree with this guy so he must like little children lol!", yeah, way to go

Not really but I think you lack the language skills to tread the fine line required to be devils advocate in such a contentious area.

 

[Scouse]

you are really starting to sound like a paedophile apologist.

Thought that was harsh tbh. He was making a pertinent point about the sexual traditions of tribespeople.

Just because some tribes are cannibals doesn't mean everything they ever do is incorrect - and examination of human societies can inform us about our cultural norms.

 

[Scouse]

Ahem...


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rcFE7HEgX3g

(gets increasingly better)

 

[old.Tohtori]

Not really but I think you lack the language skills to tread the fine line required to be devils advocate in such a contentious area.

I would think a lack of language skills(which i do not lack, even if in my troll days i claimed to do ) would add to the contentious of a matter.

What you're saying also implies that i'm being a devils advocate to child abuse.

 

[rynnor]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19887019 - amazing the scale of it.

 

[rynnor]

What you're saying also implies that i'm being a devils advocate to child abuse.

Because you were?

 

[rynnor]

Thought that was harsh tbh. He was making a pertinent point about the sexual traditions of tribespeople.

Just because some tribes are cannibals doesn't mean everything they ever do is incorrect - and examination of human societies can inform us about our cultural norms.

Jimmy saville wasn't a pygmy though he came from our culture and was aware that he was acting against its accepted norms.

 

[Gwadien]

I'm not being funny, but isn't saying there was lots of sexism in the 70's a bit like saying, there was lots of racism in the 70's?

SHOCK HORROR, AS INDIAN STUDENT WAS VICTIM OF 'PAKI BASHING'

I mean, wasn't it just that era?

Obviously, child abuse is a different matter entirely.

Oh, and for changing the name of that charity - bit harsh? - I mean, you can't deny the fact he was still charitable.

 

[Scouse]

Jimmy saville wasn't a pygmy though he came from our culture and was aware that he was acting against its accepted norms.

Yes of course.

But you're getting your knickers in a twist ryn, toht clearly said:

I meant as a humanity

So the point about tribal life is pertinent. And we'll forget you dismissed them as pygmies

 

[Scouse]

Obviously, child abuse is a different matter entirely.

Apparently child abuse is half as prevalent now as it was in the 1950's.

 

[Gwadien]

Apparently child abuse is half as prevalent now as it was in the 1950's.

Do you remember it being like that then?

*Giggles*

 

[old.Tohtori]

Because you were?

Not really, i was a devils advocate for turning someone in for it being relative to circumstances.

 

[rynnor]

Apparently child abuse is half as prevalent now as it was in the 1950's.

Stats on unreported crimes are pretty useless.

 

[rynnor]

But you're getting your knickers in a twist ryn, toht clearly said:

Toht have you hacked Scouses account?

 

[Yoni]

I was actually a little offended at some of the comments here, especially at the person (can't scroll up I'm on my phone) who said anything more than 5 years is odd.... How did you come to that conclusion??? There is a massive difference between having a relationship with a 14 year old when you are 30 and dating a 35 year old when you are 50.

I have had 3 long term relationships, in the first I was 10 years younger and I left as the Isle of Man was causing extreme depression and he didn't want to come with me, the second we were the same age and we grew apart (although still good friends I like to think) and now there is a difference of 17 years. Every day we have more and more in common... When we started going out, I 38 and he was 21... When we fell in love age didn't enter into it we had and still have a shed load in common and yet we are very different which is exciting and keeps our relationship fresh.... His parents have no issue and although mine had their concerns they have accepted the situation.

I do believe there is an implied line and it is the legal requirement if the society in which we live...however in my view 16 is too young. I say this because from my own experiences from puberty till I was 17 or so I would become emotionally attached to my brothers friends, my parents younger friends (they played bridge and had friends from 20 to 50 years old), the students my mum rented the spare rooms in the house to etc and if any of them had been so inclined and had I not had my catholic upbringing potentially I would have let them sleep with me because I thought I was in lurve when actually it was just hormones.

My parents weren't your average old school catholic parents.... There was none of this, if you sleep with someone you will be damned to hell... My mum explained to me very early on that I would feel differently towards men and women and that this was just signs I was changing and growing up and that should I want to act on these feelings we should talk about it first.

 

[Scouse]

Stats on unreported crimes are pretty useless.

So, you're saying that despite all the work done to de-stigmatise the victims of abuse they're more likely to not report it nowadays?

Or is it that you don't like the idea that child abuse isn't as prevalent nowadays?

 

[Scouse]

When we started going out, I 38 and he was 21...

Cradle snatcher

 

[Wij]

Cougar?

 

[rynnor]

So, you're saying that despite all the work done to de-stigmatise the victims of abuse they're more likely to not report it nowadays?

Or is it that you don't like the idea that child abuse isn't as prevalent nowadays?

Kids in care seem about as vulnerable as ever, familial stuff is still unlikely to be reported - the problem is that many of the victims dont even realise they are victims. I'm uneasy about people using stats to somehow say everything has changed - young girls are still passed around by groups of abusers and the internet has lead to new forms of abuse like blackmailing children to take pictures of themselves performing sex acts etc.

I don't think people have changed that much tbh.

 

[DaGaffer]

When we started going out, I 38 and he was 21...

Ooh, you've broken the rule: (your age/2)+7, which is a cliché but actually a pretty good rule of thumb in general.

 

[rynnor]

One of my mates started going out with a girl who was in her 30s when he was 19 - they have been together for nearly 20 years - they are very happy together - once people are adults the age gaps arent really that important.

 

[Scouse]

One of my mates started going out with a girl who was in her 30s when he was 19 - they have been together for nearly 20 years - they are very happy together - once people are adults the age gaps arent really that important.

I know it happens, but I can't imagine myself going out with a girl of 21.

The experience gap in every one I've ever met was just far too big for me to bridge. Stuff you take for granted that you don't learn until you've left uni/been at work a while. I couldn't see myself going out with a girl of less than, say, mid-high 20's.

Not saying it couldn't happen. The sex certainly could.

 

[Hawkwind]

On Jimmy Saville, always thought there was something wrong about him. I just wish the tosser was still around to answer the charges!

 

[old.Tohtori]

I know it happens, but I can't imagine myself going out with a girl of 21.

The experience gap in every one I've ever met was just far too big for me to bridge. Stuff you take for granted that you don't learn until you've left uni/been at work a while. I couldn't see myself going out with a girl of less than, say, mid-high 20's.

Not saying it couldn't happen. The sex certainly could.

It's interesting though, 21-22 not ok, 25-56 ok. Not much of an age difference when you look at it, but there's so much happening between the ages of 15-25 that it defines the range not only for the person, but other persons as well.

 

[Scouse]

It's interesting though, 21-22 not ok, 25-56 ok.

I'm thinking more 27-28 and, whilst the numbers may only indicate a 1/3rd difference, it's actually massive difference as people leave home, go through uni, leave uni and get a job and an idea of the real world and get a shitload of emotional growth of their own done in that time.

I've long said that you're not really a fully functional human until you're 27. That's when you've got enough awareness to have a rough idea of what's going on about you. But there's still loads more growth to be done as you go. The difference between 28-38 is mahoosive.