Jimmy Savile child abuser?

[Tom]

If she had just gone to tell the police so he could be charged then that's fine and noble to bring up something that traumatic just to make sure it does not happen again. But anyone who sells their story is not struggling with what has happened they are cashing in on what has happened. "For years I have lived with this and I have not been able to love it has effected so many areas of my life! I could not tell people and it has eaten me up inside. Now I can get a few grand though I am ready for everyone who reads the sun can know my story!"

Had she gone to the police with these claims while Savile lived, and seen some kind of justice prevail, she'd have gotten a hell of a lot more money.

Sorry Tom but she had 40 years...... And she chooses to come forward after he has died, aggrieved that he didn't get prosecuted.

Yes it was probably more difficult then, yes she may have felt ashamed.... So why come forward now.

This kind of behaviour makes me wonder how many of the new allegations are true? (Although I am in no doubt he was a disgusting perv believe you me!)

Some people can be so cynical it hurts. These women are victims and beyond criticism in my opinion.

 

[Job]

Our male PE teachers used to run into the girls changing room, bearing in mind they were 15 year old girls, they would scream and cover themselves up, we all called them perverts, some girls would laugh, others would take it more seriously, but no-one ever reported them, that was seen as a ludicrous over reaction.
Nowadays, they would be arrested, sacked, jailed and put on the sex offenders list for life.

 

[Yoni]

I could cite several examples of my own childhood, teenage years which today would be unacceptable..... They got to me for a while but I got over it.... I did report the flute teacher who twirled my hair during lessons and he was removed! By doing that no other students had to experience that. The flashers who used to run though the school grounds waving their cocks about were also dealt with, as we're the male teenagers who tried to break into our dorms at night. They are just the milder examples.

I refuse to accept that it is too scary or you feel too ashamed... At 10 I knew what was acceptable and did something about it. i do not think I would bother coming forward 40 years later especially if the perpetrators were dead. There was also awareness in the 70s about abuse (Charlie says for example).

 

[Calaen]

Yet the facts and figures with regards to victims coming forward after being raped or assaulted go against your opinion.

Not everyone knows what is and isn't acceptable at the age of 10. The fact that there are people on here from that era saying it was considered somewhat normal for men to be a bit pervy, probably decreases the chances of a victim coming forward.

 

[Scouse]

I have major issues with you making horrific blanket statements like "there's hardly a man alive who hasn't done something that could been construed as sexual assault if the girl recounted to to a judge" because they're absolute utter bollocks.

Dya ever have sex with a 15 year old when you were 16 Waz?

male teenagers who tried to break into our dorms at night. They are just normal.

Fixed that bit

 

[Wazzerphuk]

No

 

[DaGaffer]

No

But you can see that an awful lot of men did? So Job's point isn't entirely bollocks?

Add in the fact that a woman can now routinely change her mind post facto about consent using "I was hammered" as an excuse, I'd say that puts an even larger group of men into the "potential sexual assault" pool.

I know I'd have to put my hands up about the 15 year old thing (first girl we were both 15, second one I was 16), and I've slept with more than a few women who'd had a drink or ten (I have a least two occasions when I can't remember anything before waking up the next morning, maybe I was raped?), and I don't regard myself as particularly unusual or overly promiscuous, and certainly not some kind of deviant, and yet we now live in this bizarro world where the courts and media are hyper-puritanical whilst at the same time sexualising young girls at earlier and earlier ages. We live in a very strange time.

 

[Scouse]

maybe I was raped?

I think you should report that to the police so they can find out Gaff. How the hell are you supposed to give the girl informed consent if you can't remember anything?

Fucking bitches. They'll take advantage of anyone.

 

[Wij]

I read an interesting article today about how almost everyone in the country knew the rumours about Sir Jim'll and most of those believed them but still nobody gave them much thought.

I'm not sure what message to take from that.

 

[Talivar]

People saying why didnt they come forward earlier? Isnt that what DID happen in many cases?. From what i read he had allegations made against him multiple times througout the years but they was all thrown out of court.

 

[Gumbo]

People saying why didnt they come forward earlier? Isnt that what DID happen in many cases?. From what i read he had allegations made against him multiple times througout the years but they was all thrown out of court.

They never made it to court.

 

[rynnor]

They never made it to court.

Exactly - basically the CPS decide if a case goes to court and until the mid 80s there was something of a presumption that an adults word was more worthy than a child's so in a case with no witnesses other than victim and perpetrator the CPS would be unlikely to proceed.

 

[Edmond]

Freddie Starr arrested

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20174081

 

[Deebs]

What a can of worms, hope all the cunts get arrested and sent to prison for some bumsex.

 

[Job]

Go to any family party in the country and there will be a 14-15 year old girl in a little skirt, showing off her new found power over men, every man in the house will be thinking, I'd love to bang that, you may not like to hear the truth, but that is the underlying, unmentioned reality that is brushed under the carpet, every man is a peadophile by his very nature, 99.9% of man thankfully only think about it, if you're under 19,you can act on it and the law will turn a blind eye.

 

[soze]

But you can see that an awful lot of men did? So Job's point isn't entirely bollocks?

Add in the fact that a woman can now routinely change her mind post facto about consent using "I was hammered" as an excuse, I'd say that puts an even larger group of men into the "potential sexual assault" pool.

I know I'd have to put my hands up about the 15 year old thing (first girl we were both 15, second one I was 16), and I've slept with more than a few women who'd had a drink or ten (I have a least two occasions when I can't remember anything before waking up the next morning, maybe I was raped?), and I don't regard myself as particularly unusual or overly promiscuous, and certainly not some kind of deviant, and yet we now live in this bizarro world where the courts and media are hyper-puritanical whilst at the same time sexualising young girls at earlier and earlier ages. We live in a very strange time.

I have a mate on the sex offenders register because his girlfriends Dad had him arrested she was 15 and he was 16. The Dad lost his shit because his angel had been violated and forced it through every stage of the legal system. So now 13 years later he has to go to his daughters Primary School and explain that he is on the register and hope they let him pick her up from school.

I have had friends threatened with the prospect of a rape charge if they tell anyone about sleeping with a random girl. One girl told a mate she was 15 and unless he gave her £500 she would report him. The only way i would have a one night stand now is after being shown two forms of photo id and recording the whole thing so I don't get a regret rape charge.

 

[Job]

I think she was 14-15? in this part, all very funny, but highly sexualised.
sort of safe for work

 

[Scouse]

I hear ya soze.

I'm still of the opinion that Saville didn't force these girls to have sex with him. Yep - he's a disgusting old fucker taking advantage of his position - but I think the girls were also willing participants.

I don't think he was the dirty uncle who forces himself on family members or threatening violence type. I think he was just the take advantage type - and there's worse out there.

 

[rynnor]

I hear ya soze.

I'm still of the opinion that Saville didn't force these girls to have sex with him. Yep - he's a disgusting old fucker taking advantage of his position - but I think the girls were also willing participants.

I don't think he was the dirty uncle who forces himself on family members or threatening violence type. I think he was just the take advantage type - and there's worse out there.

You seem to be terribly ill informed on this - he abused the mentally ill and children in hospital - how can that be consensual?

 

[Scouse]

You seem to be terribly ill informed on this - he abused the mentally ill and children in hospital - how can that be consensual?

I haven't read that tbh. That's pretty disgusting.

 

[Raven]

Sorry Scouse but that's a facepalm I am afraid.

 

[Scouse]

Sorry Scouse but that's a facepalm I am afraid.

Hey, I don't read the papers

 

[Raven]

Tell you what, I will rescind it and give you and optimistic instead.

 

[Scouse]

Tell you what, I will rescind it and give you and optimistic instead.

Or "gay" as we established in Wij's thread - and fair enough

 

[BloodOmen]

What a can of worms, hope all the cunts get arrested and sent to prison for some bumsex.

The sad thing is with sentences today at worse they'll prob get 5-6 year and be out in half if not less than that.

So thats what?

Jimmy Saville - who probably died laughing because he'd essentially beaten the system
Freddie Starr - didn't surprise me one bit, he's always been shady
Gary Glitter - soon as he was named it was more or less a given considering what he was caught doing in Vietnam

Still more to come now aswell, filthy fuckers

 

[dysfunction]

I don't think he was the dirty uncle who forces himself on family members or threatening violence type. I think he was just the take advantage type - and there's worse out there.

Yes he was. There was a woman, part of his extended family, on the radio telling how she was groped by him when she was a child.
She told his sister and was told 'oh it's just jimmy, I'll sort it out'.

Nothing ever happend. And he did it again and again.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Go to any family party in the country and there will be a 14-15 year old girl in a little skirt, showing off her new found power over men, every man in the house will be thinking, I'd love to bang that, you may not like to hear the truth, but that is the underlying, unmentioned reality that is brushed under the carpet, every man is a peadophile by his very nature, 99.9% of man thankfully only think about it, if you're under 19,you can act on it and the law will turn a blind eye.

Hell, i can't look at 18-20 year olds these days without having to triplecheck if they're even in highschool

I have more sexual feelings towards Teeds then a 16 year old.

 

[DaGaffer]

Go to any family party in the country and there will be a 14-15 year old girl in a little skirt, showing off her new found power over men, every man in the house will be thinking, I'd love to bang that, you may not like to hear the truth, but that is the underlying, unmentioned reality that is brushed under the carpet, every man is a peadophile by his very nature, 99.9% of man thankfully only think about it, if you're under 19,you can act on it and the law will turn a blind eye.

Speak for yourself. Really. I come from an era when girls my age were usually under four layers of clothes, thick leggings and for most of the year probably an overcoat. The main challenge was finding a way in without a crowbar and oxyacetylene. I find 14-15 year olds running around in mini-skirts a bit creepy frankly. Its like watching Big Fat Gypsy Weddings; I just look at those kids and think "what the fuck are you doing?"

 

[Scouse]

I just look at those kids and think "what the fuck are you doing?"

I do now. When I was 23 maybe I didn't. I thought, you dress like that you fancy a shag.

 

[DaGaffer]

I do now. When I was 23 maybe I didn't. I thought, you dress like that you fancy a shag.

When I was 23 I was a student. The aforementioned several layers and black leggings was definitely where the action was at. If you saw teenaged girls in miniskirts in 1990 they were usually on MTV. It was really not long after that the real sexualisation of teenage girls began to become a mainstream thing, and by then I really don't think I ever looked at (early) teenage girls in a "phwoar she wants some" kind of way, usually more of a "she'll be hot when she grows up" kind of way. Maybe its just me. Picky picky picky.