Is It Leagal To use a crafting macro as long as you are presant at the computer?

[Juj]

Zzzzzziiiipppp

Happy 5th Birthday

 

[Shike]

hmm interesting...

so they only ban for a certain amount of time depending on the crime ?

i was under the impression that if u cheated...and u got banned...that was it.

So question has to be asked...why ban someone...then reinstate the account...at a later date?

Maybe a case of they done their time and paid for the crime...so heres a 2nd chance?

suppose GOA can only answer that 1, but certainly would be interesting to hear the reasoning behind it

im under the impression that he got his 1st acc terminated and made a new toon.

 

[Talifer]

Wow that's a long thread, couldn't read past the 5th page (and I have the max posts per page set up ) but I have a couple of points I'd like cleared up.

First, timed key presses by something like Nostromo. This is basically acting like a keyboard with a long delay between the repeat key action. Is it therefore illegal to hold a key down with your finger?

Secondly and more importantly, Voice over IP programs are 3rd party applicatons and if they don't interfere with gameplay then nothing does. Why haven't the users of these VOP programs been banned if GOA take such a hard line on these issues?

Talifer

 

[Darksword]

BUMP! <giggles>

so in short, as it illegal 2 use a program 2 click on the qbar IF ur not afk? or does any 1 know of like a mouse that is just a button i can click while im watching the tv (so just a mouse with like 10meter cord? :O) give

 

[NeonBlue]

BUMP! <giggles>

so in short, as it illegal 2 use a program 2 click on the qbar IF ur not afk? or does any 1 know of like a mouse that is just a button i can click while im watching the tv (so just a mouse with like 10meter cord? :O) give

get cordless mouse

 

[Calo]

you install radar
u decide to use it

3th prog

why THE HELL is that only 7 days ban and this full ?

don't come with the crap about mythic & goa, they should have the same "bans" cause its faire...



hope requiel can reply on this...

 

[Jaapi]

Just becuz one agrees doesnt make it legally binding !!! Donno what part of the world ur from, but in Denmark agreemernts doesnt overrule legislation !!! Called consumer rights from where im from !!!

We have a word for people like you too where i am from. And please, enough with the teenage exclamation marks already.

 

[Morchaoron]

i have a multi-purpose automated portable robot arm irl, i can make it press the buttons for me so i wont be using 3rd party programs!! (and im not afk, cuz i have another computer next to me on which i can play something else) \o/

 

[Chilly]

there was some engineer dude who made a mechano or lego mechanical macro machine, it presseda KB button once every x seconds - very cunning but technically illegal and mythic made a point of it at the time i believe the dude was selling em as well iirc..

 

[Ctuchik]

He's lame and a cheater, true...but wishing him to die is out of order. He already got what he actually deserved and is therefore banned.

acually, he never wished that.. just said he would be pleased by it.. (wich isnt EXACTLY the same but quite close)

 

[Garnet]

I use 3rd party macro programs! Ban me! \o/

Danya does too :-o

 

[Belomar]

thats correct...i always did that..use to take me hours

not everyone has to cheat when they play a game!

Don't mind Meduza, he is a true hypocrite. Just look at him here and take in his attitude--this guy actually installed radar in an attempt at cheating, but was luckily not smart enough to get it working.

 

[Overdriven]

i couldnt give a flying fart about the EULA tbh...the simple fact is...that GOA have informed the community that 3rd party software that interferes with the game will result in a ban

thats good enough for me...if u need to download software to make ur gaming easier for urself...then in my book...

ur doing it on purpose
ur trying to gain an advantage over others
ur not playing the game as it was intended
ur altering the game mechanics
ur cheating

end of!

point is...if u hadnt cheated / got banned in the 1st place...u wouldnt be calling the EULA weak...coz u would have no need of it !

why do ppl who have got banned always have to whine about getting banned?

simple solution is dont fecking cheat in the 1st place !

What? I know that wasn't aimed towards me but; what the hell did you just say? WHO the hell is 'u'? Did you do English in school? Did you get past year... 1?

Grammar for the win.

I'm not even going to waste my time correcting you :/ I've got better things to do as a 16 year old at 7am.

God, what people have done to the English language. I mean, I've been awake all night and my grammar is most probably better than yours is 24/7.


ANYWAY! - Honestly, I don't have a problem with macro crafting... I get more things made with more crafters. =)

 

[Shike]

What? I know that wasn't aimed towards me but; what the hell did you just say? WHO the hell is 'u'? Did you do English in school? Did you get past year... 1?

Grammar for the win.

I'm not even going to waste my time correcting you :/ I've got better things to do as a 16 year old at 7am.

God, what people have done to the English language. I mean, I've been awake all night and my grammar is most probably better than yours is 24/7.


ANYWAY! - Honestly, I don't have a problem with macro crafting... I get more things made with more crafters. =)

I bet your hobby as a kid was to fuck ants. Maybe you still are doing it aswell? Hmm, gotta love people who get a hardon from correction others spelling, what I find the most hilarious is that they assume everyone have english as their native language and are expected to have 100% grammar and spelling. Here's a newsflash, not everyone is an englishman, nor do everyone speak or spell english like a native englishman either. Capishe?

 

[Overdriven]

I bet your hobby as a kid was to fuck ants. Maybe you still are doing it aswell? Hmm, gotta love people who get a hardon from correction others spelling, what I find the most hilarious is that they assume everyone have english as their native language and are expected to have 100% grammar and spelling. Here's a newsflash, not everyone is an englishman, nor do everyone speak or spell english like a native englishman either. Capishe?

Actually, no. My hobbie as a child was playing video games and playing with my friends. I don't assume everyone is English and to be honest, if everyone was It'd annoy the hell out of me. Most English people are lame. [Coming from an 1/2 English/French person]

I don't really mind about the spelling. Main thing that annoyed me was 'u'.

By the way, getting hardon's from spelling corrections is laughable. But I'm too tired to laugh.

I could of used mass amounts of sarcasm here, but... I didn't.



Edit: If anyone wants to flame me... Make a 'Flame Overdriven' thread. Get more responces that way.

 

[Shike]

Actually, no. My hobbie as a child was playing video games and playing with my friends. I don't assume everyone is English and to be honest, if everyone was It'd annoy the hell out of me. Most English people are lame. [Coming from an 1/2 English/French person]

I don't really mind about the spelling. Main thing that annoyed me was 'u'.

By the way, getting hardon's from spelling corrections is laughable. But I'm too tired to laugh.

I could of used mass amounts of sarcasm here, but... I didn't.



Edit: If anyone wants to flame me... Make a 'Flame Overdriven' thread. Get more responces that way.

A simple question; are you aware of the fact that quite many uses "u" as a short for "you"?
If yes: whats the problem? (as in, you didnt have any problems with understanding what the poster meant and thus just wanted to be an antfucker)
If no: ok, you have a solid case here then, but then maybe simply ask what "u" actually means is a slightly better approach instead?

 

[Overdriven]

A simple question; are you aware of the fact that quite many uses "u" as a short for "you"?
If yes: whats the problem? (as in, you didnt have any problems with understanding what the poster meant and thus just wanted to be an antfucker)
If no: ok, you have a solid case here then, but then maybe simply ask what "u" actually means is a slightly better approach instead?

Please don't male me use shorthand :/ Yes, I know what 'u' means. I also know what: dat, wot, bruv and m8 means. I just like knowing that I can make my sentances sound less gimped by using real words.

[oi! m8 did u c dat bruv dere doin dat shit?] <-- Bad example.

But it's true though. It's not that bad using a macro for it. I mean? If you become a crafter of some sort you'd stay in game longer anyway to make cash wouldn't you?

 

[Shike]

Please don't male me use shorthand :/ Yes, I know what 'u' means. I also know what: dat, wot, bruv and m8 means. I just like knowing that I can make my sentances sound less gimped by using real words.

[oi! m8 did u c dat bruv dere doin dat shit?] <-- Bad example.

hehe, yep, thats a really bad example but I usually look over the small things like people using "u" instead of making a deal out of it since there is no real point in doing so, its antfucking, same thing with those that point out peoples lack of punctiation etc.. if one want to shine and show ones proper grammar and stuff, go to a class and impress a teacher, they might clap, but the members of this forum sure as hell wont. (that wasnt aimed at you OD)

(what on earth does bruv mean?) I have never seen that one before.

 

[Maghica]

and to get back to the original topic:

I am VERY glad that GoA is taking such drastic actions, I even applaud it All my crafters were 'handreared' and it took me an awfull long time to get there. While friends went out doing fun-stuff IRL I chose to stay home, to watch a DvD and advance my craftingskills. Doing those Craft-quests over and over again uke: to the point of nausea!

But...in the end I am proud of it and, to be honest, it gives back a lot of good to the community aswell(while filling my purse with gold)

Since I started my first crafter (Maghica LGM Tailor) I have received PM's on how to use a 'macro-tool'. That is almost 1.5 years ago, so I guess this illegal way of crafting has been around for a long time.
In my opinion, it's just people who are too lazy or just plain jealous of honest achievements and just try to get there by using (what they THINK) faster(ie illegal) means.

Contrary to what those that get caught believe, the majority of crafters in DAoC got there by pressing keys over and over again....and using their OWN finger in the process even

Crafting is a tool provided by DAoC, that the smart among us use to the limit.
It makes us known and respected in the community.
It may give us some advantage in Guild-advancement.
It certainly gives us joy...

 

[Thorwyn]

Overdriven, so tell me: what does "" mean in the english language?

 

[Meduza]

We have a word for people like you too where i am from

lol, that actually made me laugh

But I assume the word ur thinking of is: Educated ?

 

[Thorarin]

Actually, no. My hobbie as a child was playing video games and playing with my friends. I don't assume everyone is English and to be honest, if everyone was It'd annoy the hell out of me. Most English people are lame. [Coming from an 1/2 English/French person]

I took the liberty of highlighting some of your spelling and grammar errors.
Seriously, it's rather lame to start commenting on people's spelling if you don't have any valid arguments for your case, so do yourself a favor and shut up if you can't defend your case.
Alternatively you can remove anyone's last shred of doubt that you have nothing to say for your point of view by flaming other people for their spelling, thus making yourself look like an idiot.

On top of that you condone cheating as long as it's to your advantage. Need I say more?

I could of used mass amounts of sarcasm here, but... I didn't.
Edit: If anyone wants to flame me... Make a 'Flame Overdriven' thread. Get more responces that way.

 

[Levin]

I think Maghica said it pretty well, and that's how i feel too.

I have one LGM crafter (WS) done the hard way in the old days. I also have a spellcrafter who, despite having started SC:ing back when it first became available (what's that, 2 years ago now?), is still only 746 spellcrafting skill because frankly i think spellcrafting got too boring and not worth the effort. It's a long and tedious task and kudos to those who stick with it all the way to LGM. Those people have always had my deepest respect. Now, if i had done what the original poster did i guess i would have been an LGM too. But i wouldn't have achieved a damned thing, and i would have deserved whatever punishment was coming, because i would have cheated.

The degree of punishment is a whole other discussion but please let's get it settled once and for all - macro crafting is just as bad as radar or whatever. Believe it or not but people have different goals in this game. If i dream of having LGM crafters, seeing someone get there the cheater way is just as annoying to me - as seeing someone use radar is annoying to the honest RvR player.

 

[Ziva]

I think the measurement taken in this case was way too much. Yes cheaters (no matter what kind of cheat) should be caught but the punishment should be set according to the type of cheat. A crafter macroing isn't nearly as bad as a radar user imo.

Besides that, it's the way the ingame mechanics are set that determine if users will or won't start using other programs. If crafting wasn't possible by using one button or if (while crafting) u get entertained aswell, i'm sure less people would use a program like that.

I think GOA should turn it backwards and give people using programs like that a disadvantage over people that don't use them. E.g. people who craft with a macroprogram have a different algorithem in the serverlog then people that don't use them. It can't be hard to give them more misses on skills/quality/material losses then others right? That way people who choose to craft like that will have a huge disadvantage over others and i'm sure it will be less attractive to use them then.

Same as for radar users, (i never used such a program so i might just be rambling here) isn't it possible to screw up these programs? I'm picturing fake signs of players in RvR zones which will attract radar users to spots where aren't any real players?

I think the coin of cheating has two sides. One is the cheating players that really should ask themselves "if i'm using 3rd party programs to accomplish tasks i find boring, why do i do these tasks at all?" and the other side is GOA (Mythic) that should make cheating as unattractive as possible or even impossible whenever possible.

U can't put the responsiblity with only the players, that's basically the same as an internet server provider that boots every user that accidently got a virus. They aren't doing that, no instead they are installing spamfilters, viruswalls, helping users to prevent these things etc. In other words, i think GOA has more responsibility then just say "u were caught, bye bye".

And don't get me wrong here, i really dislike cheaters but as long as i'm getting jumped by a radaruser in RvR i think catching these type of cheaters should have a very low priority.

 

[NeonBlue]

What? I know that wasn't aimed towards me but; what the hell did you just say? WHO the hell is 'u'? Did you do English in school? Did you get past year... 1?

Grammar for the win.

I'm not even going to waste my time correcting you :/ I've got better things to do as a 16 year old at 7am.

God, what people have done to the English language. I mean, I've been awake all night and my grammar is most probably better than yours is 24/7.


ANYWAY! - Honestly, I don't have a problem with macro crafting... I get more things made with more crafters. =)

lol i got better things to do than worry about my grammar and spelling on a fecking forum

its called writing a quick post using shortened forms of words

when u grow up...ull understand

p.s

Please don't male me use shorthand :/

wow u can use shorthand am sooooo happy for U, just shame u cant type properly, the word ur looking for there is maKe :kissit:

have a nice day

 

[Teh FnoRd]

Just becuz one agrees doesnt make it legally binding !!! Donno what part of the world ur from, but in Denmark agreemernts doesnt overrule legislation !!! Called consumer rights from where im from !!!

It is legally binding. Do you think that Mythic (that made the EULA originally, in the land of a crazed lawsystem where anyone can sue anything anytime) didn't make it foolproof? You must be so utterly naive it's almost scary...

You obviously dont fully understand the EULA or dont know how to read legal documents...

The EULA is VERY weak..

Looks the other way around to me. Do you think that Mythic (that made the EULA originally, in the land of a crazed lawsystem where anyone can sue anything anytime) didn't make it foolproof?

And tbh don't matter if you where afk or not, you still have admited that you were using a 3rd party program setting up a macro, and that IS AGAINST THE EULA. Period.

Ps. Overdriven, Should it be you have still admited or you still have admited ? wouldn't want to make you upset with bad grammer...

 

[Balbor]

What? I know that wasn't aimed towards me but; what the hell did you just say? WHO the hell is 'u'? Did you do English in school? Did you get past year... 1?

Grammar for the win.

I'm not even going to waste my time correcting you :/ I've got better things to do as a 16 year old at 7am.

God, what people have done to the English language. I mean, I've been awake all night and my grammar is most probably better than yours is 24/7.


ANYWAY! - Honestly, I don't have a problem with macro crafting... I get more things made with more crafters. =)

what you are realy trying to say is 'I failed to find error with your statment so have instead desided to pick on your spelling and/or grammer'.

P.S. i have no idea what either of your are talking about (appart from the fact its probably about macroing/3rd party programs, but resorting to picking on someones spelling is just low

 

[Belomar]

Seems Overdriven was owned.

 

[Thorarin]

U can't put the responsiblity with only the players, that's basically the same as an internet server provider that boots every user that accidently got a virus.

Keyword here is 'accidentally'.
How many people accidentally use crafting macros, and how many people accidentally use radar?

Thanks for making GOA's point

 

[Archeon]

Keyword here is 'accidentally'.
How many people accidentally use crafting macros, and how many people accidentally use radar?

Thanks for making GOA's point

But.. but... you see its like this, I accidentally went to the radar website where unbeknowns't to me I clicked on the download button, this was an accident I was actually aiming for me "Donate to Cancer Research" button that was above it, anyway I then went into my documents and noticed the .exe - I had no idea what it did so I installed it... accidentally of course, I was really trying to get into my stash of gay-midget porn... anyway I then logged into DAoC and accidentally started up the radar. Obviously I mistook the radar for the warmap because I accidentally read the 1.70 patch notes and thought we were using NF now.

Of course, I then went on to accidentally use it to avoid and ambush enemy groups, making sure to run away when we had others inc.


All accidental of course... but that doesn't make me a bad person! If Mythic wern't so retarded as to make a game in which i'm not instantly the best player on the server then its my right... neigh, obligation to use 3rd party programs and multiple accounts until I am the best!! Fuck you all you GOA fanbois the EULA doesn't apply to me because I know the law!! And the law says that I can't be held accountable for anything I do because i'm not old enough to have sex yet!!!!

... I want a friend