Infils before the huge LA nerf...

[Wiro]

Originally posted by behatch
infils overall dmg is higher too and ws etc but you allready know

Yeah right, whatever
As long as we dont get to evade --> get DF in we're focking useless against SBs

(That's, like the others said, also the reason you never had to whine about DF in the early patches :sleeping: )

 

[mandom]

Originally posted by Wiro
Yeah right, whatever
As long as we dont get to evade --> get DF in we're focking useless against SBs

(That's, like the others said, also the reason you never had to whine about DF in the early patches :sleeping: )

you are a zergling anywaý, so you will not miss df when the nerfbat hits

 

[Wiro]

:sleeping:

 

[mandom]

Originally posted by Wiro
yada yada yada... that's not what this thread was about, now was it?

BW is all about whine, nerfs, savages, zergs, df, laxe but with different topics

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by behatch
infils overall dmg is higher too and ws etc but you allready know

Don't let lack of proof stop you from posting unsubstantiated crap.

 

[Wiro]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Don't let lack of proof stop you from posting unsubstantiated crap.

Exactly

 

[mandom]

sb > infils with purge up
we just want df nerfed so we can own everything again

 

[behatch]

firstly

dole mole stfu you idiot-you carnt even zerg proberlly so stfu why would you miss df when you zerg anyhow

its not that we couldnt get hard evidence its jus that i dont want to spend hours posting screen shots of infils overpowereing sb's

one lasrt thing dole

go drink bleech and die mother fuckr

 

[iluvatur]

imo. infs should go back to 2.2 spec

 

[behatch]

Originally posted by iluvatur
imo. infs should go back to 2.2 spec

ye then lets see how many fotm fuk wits like dole there are

 

[Wiro]

Originally posted by behatch
firstly

dole mole stfu you idiot-you carnt even zerg proberlly so stfu why would you miss df when you zerg anyhow

its not that we couldnt get hard evidence its jus that i dont want to spend hours posting screen shots of infils overpowereing sb's

one lasrt thing dole

go drink bleech and die mother fuckr

LOL you are soooo funny
If you want to impress me or something, or show your intelligence, well... you just did
Does your mom know you're still awake? I always thought 13 year-olds went to bed a lot earlier

 

[behatch]

Originally posted by Wiro
LOL you are soooo funny
If you want to impress me or something, or show your intelligence, well... you just did
Does your mom know you're still awake? I always thought 13 year-olds went to bed a lot earlier

yes i'm a school kid-thats why u seem to be online at 4 o clock is and am online about 11:30 am nearlly every day haha so stfu

 

[Wiro]

Originally posted by behatch
yes i'm a school kid-thats why u seem to be online at 4 o clock is and am online about 11:30 am nearlly every day haha so stfu

Yes, well that explains!

Get a life

 

[behatch]

i will return to my preveous life when my pc blows up which strangely i wish would happen but dont have the nerve to do it

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by behatch
i will return to my preveous life when my pc blows up which strangely i wish would happen but dont have the nerve to do it

I would love for you to post a damage log of you fighting an inf.
Cause maybe we can have a laugh when you claim again that an inf will outdamage an SB.
Regards, Glottis

 

[behatch]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
I would love for you to post a damage log of you fighting an inf.
Cause maybe we can have a laugh when you claim again that an inf will outdamage an SB.
Regards, Glottis

wasnt really a fight it was a miss-miss first attack then i died within 9s

balanced hum no

 

[Wiro]

Originally posted by behatch
wasnt really a fight it was a miss-miss first attack then i died within 9s

balanced hum no

If you at least had some serious arguments or something....

 

[behatch]

Originally posted by Wiro
If you at least had some serious arguments or something....

serious arguement?

in order for me to die within 9s from an infil that would consist off

assuming Left hand dmg is 100

2s per attack=500dmg on left hand

2s main hand attack=5divided by 1500=(crap i need a calculator)

er 300 dmg per swing at 2s

LOL balanced i do NOT think so

 

[Gregstah]

DF allways existed, how u think Remi came up 2 rr10?

Its just that SB's allmost hit as hard as an infil and they could spam doublefrost becouse of end regen on that shammy buff...

it kinda hurts beeing 4-5 shotted, and hard 2 get in evade style

 

[Crashtje]

if they nerf thrust , they`ll all respec slash and own shadowblades harder, but get owned by nightshades, and nightshades will then be top of the pile

 

[behatch]

Originally posted by Crashtje
if they nerf thrust , they`ll all respec slash and own shadowblades harder, but get owned by nightshades, and nightshades will then be top of the pile

guess what ive rolled on pryd ^^

ns 4tehwin

 

[Haldar]

4-5 shotted....hmmm....

back in time, my Dfrost CAP buffed was 376.
offhand cap unbuffed was 87.

i was hitting at 180+50 on average, that's 230 damage per hit. add here 6.25% of dmg due to crits (25% chance to crit for 25% dmg avg) and it will be 244 dmg, 250 to be round.

4 swings -- 1000 dmg
5 swings - 1250 dmg

infis have less than 1250 hp buffed? bullshit. Before BB buff i was able to acheive 2008 hp with capped buffs, con and hp, this means same infi was able to get 1910 if he was a 70 con person (cant be), 1873 for britons and 1836 for saracens.

to drop down such an enemy in 4-5 swings was impossile for SB. period. No SB was able to swing at 400 dmg each time.

so plz stop posting crap about being 4-5 - shotted plz.

 

[Silenzio]

yess not 4/5 but

3/4 was enough to kill an inf...

 

[asphyxiation]

sb do way more dmg than infil...i say sb deals 1.5 the dmg infil deals...one against the other that is...
the af cleric buff is the reason everything is spoiled
imo it should have range ...
give infils 2.500 hp and remove af buff it will be much easier to kill
its insane for infils to deal same dmg to sbs and with faster weapons as sbs deal to infils in slash neutral armor....
imo dont nerf dfang dont nerf these stuff ...we all have get used to it more or less...at least i am ... but i say nerf af boof and give range

 

[BidAccount]

I say give all buffs range - completely levels the playing field.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
I say give all buffs range - completely levels the playing field.

and remove evade based stuns from all assasins, that will level the playing field alot also. Giv Sb str/dex based wep as well

 

[BidAccount]

I have no problem with evade based stuns - they are less easy to use than anytimes or positionals.

NS has access in 1 weapon line to a low cost low duration stun.
SB has access in offhand line (meaning they can choose whichever main weapon spec they prefer) to a medium cost medium duration stun
Infil has access in 1 weapon line to a high cost high duration stun
All assassins have access in the CS line to a medium duration stun.

I don't see this as unbalancing. The difference is around 2 secs for most, and 4 for the largest gap.

You will hear a lot of whines about them though - none substantiated, and most without any thought.

(Thrust/pierce line based on str/dex to replace swords - agree, valid request)

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
I have no problem with evade based stuns - they are less easy to use than anytimes or positionals.

NS has access in 1 weapon line to a low cost low duration stun.
SB has access in offhand line (meaning they can choose whichever main weapon spec they prefer) to a medium cost medium duration stun
Infil has access in 1 weapon line to a high cost high duration stun
All assassins have access in the CS line to a medium duration stun.

I don't see this as unbalancing. The difference is around 2 secs for most, and 4 for the largest gap.

You will hear a lot of whines about them though - none substantiated, and most without any thought.

(Thrust/pierce line based on str/dex to replace swords - agree, valid request)

Evade based stuns on a class that evades 50% of the arent hard to use, please dont try to convince me otherwise.

evade based stuns in normal spec line on a class that evades 50% of the time is overpowered imho like 360 degree evade on the savage is, saying a sb should spec to 39 in off hand specline to get a second in a chain evade stun isnt a valid argument, since sb/ns dont get the extra .3 spec points, templates need to be chose carefully.

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by Rollie
Evade based stuns on a class that evades 50% of the arent hard to use, please dont try to convince me otherwise.

evade based stuns in normal spec line on a class that evades 50% of the time is overpowered imho like 360 degree evade on the savage is, saying a sb should spec to 39 in off hand specline to get a second in a chain evade stun isnt a valid argument, since sb/ns dont get the extra .3 spec points, templates need to be chose carefully.

Not hard to use, no - but not the easiest to use.

Plus on an unbuffed assassin that base % is less than 50% - I'm unbuffed 90% of the time. No bb, no 2nd account.

Add to that the current evade reduction 'bug' for DW.

So 25% or less chance to evade and fire the stun. Thats currently less than than the oft quoted 3 attempts to land slam, and a lot less than brutalize or annihilation.

So unbalancing? No.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Not hard to use, no - but not the easiest to use.

Plus on an unbuffed assassin that base % is less than 50% - I'm unbuffed 90% of the time. No bb, no 2nd account.

Add to that the current evade reduction 'bug' for DW.

So 25% or less chance to evade and fire the stun. Thats currently less than than the oft quoted 3 attempts to land slam, and a lot less than brutalize or annihilation.

So unbalancing? No.

Please dont use unbuffed as an example, there must be 5% of assasins who arent buffed so that doesnt wash, savages unbuffed were nothing, i melee'd one to death on my old scout, add some buffs to them and there overpowered.

Fact of the matter is evade based stuns on assasins are overpowered since the majority do use buffbots, and the evade rate is 50%, the Ns version isnt too bad, but DF will hit most people for 250 giv or take, 9 second stun 250x5=1250 HP gone before you can respond unless you have purge up, but we all know balance shouldnt be based on 30 min RA's right

If the assasin/archer has 1700-1900HP thats the majority of his HP gone from 1 evade and chain use of 1 style.