Infils = 2 button class

[knoll]

why does inf spec thrust line to 50 and DW if its not a winning conscept ?

i agree thrust line sucks style wise but DF is a winning button dont have to lock for any loggs just watch wittors own videos i think that proves the point.

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by lorric
no but unlike u hes had 8realm ranks of geting fucked over by infs?

Nah - I'm guessing he has 8 rrs of 'doublefrost4tehwin', and recently hasn't been winning 90% of his fights with one button.

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by knoll
why does inf spec thrust line to 50 and DW if its not a winning conscept ?

i agree thrust line sucks style wise but DF is a winning button dont have to lock for any loggs just watch wittors own videos i think that proves the point.

Okay - 1 video where the SB plays like a gimp proves df is overpowered.

My God - you should be a lawyer!

 

[witte-]

Originally posted by lorric
no but unlike u hes had 8realm ranks of geting fucked over by infs?

not really he had doublefrost
the times I got df in and still got killed in 3-4 hits was fair then ...

 

[knoll]

i never said pre SZ wherent over powered.

on the contrary i agree they where and the nerf was good its not untill the nerf i specced to SZ.

but to quote donttouchpopy F8+stick there's your ordinary inf now days they dont need CS line to win a fight against any target even though they specced in gimpy thrust line.

was it fair when SZ ruled the universe nope i dont think so but to not agree that 9 sec stun aint win/overpowered the same way double frost was once for SZ is just plain stupid.

 

[witte-]

Originally posted by knoll

was it fair when SZ ruled the universe nope i dont think so but to not agree that 9 sec stun aint win/overpowered the same way double frost was once for SZ is just plain stupid.

aye but now its our time

 

[knoll]

ok so for all those that havent abused SZ pre nerf we should all suffer cause its your time to own for god knows how long and we should all just drop dead with out a fight ?

dont think so i remember the massive NERF screams about SZ being overpowered and they where but now its our time to be easy pray and scream.

the fun thing is the change in u guys u all turned into those SZ abusing SB's totally ignoring plain facts and reality defending your spec same way SZ's did.

 

[witte-]

Originally posted by knoll
ok so for all those that havent abused SZ pre nerf we should all suffer cause its your time to own for god knows how long and we should all just drop dead with out a fight ?

dont think so i remember the massive NERF screams about SZ being overpowered and they where but now its our time to be easy pray and scream.

So if u have a chance to specc in a line that gives a 9sec stun you dident do it? ( I don't say its not overpowered )
Same for the sbs that was a SZ they specced it cus it was overpowered with the LA and end thingy and could kill some1 in 3-4 hits , u would be stupid to not specc in it when u could kill easier.

 

[behatch]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Fair enough - thats your opinion.

Still - haven't had any response to the challenge to post cold, hrd data to back up any assertion that the infil is overpowered.

Guess there isn't any.

next time i get a ss of a mercfil wtfpwning me with df ill send u it then

 

[behatch]

Originally posted by witte-
So if u have a chance to specc in a line that gives a 9sec stun you dident do it? ( I don't say its not overpowered )
Same for the sbs that was a SZ they specced it cus it was overpowered with the LA and end thingy and could kill some1 in 3-4 hits , u would be stupid to not specc in it when u could kill easier.

i'd specc it yeah,but i carnt so i want it nerfed altho i do like the look of slash infils,female saracen anyhow ^^

 

[witte-]

Originally posted by knoll
the fun thing is the change in u guys u all turned into those SZ abusing SB's totally ignoring plain facts and reality defending your spec same way SZ's did.

Oh btw maybe I should give u my account for 1 day and u fight against Paradigm , Jox , Ztyx , Rayne , Sala and some other sbs ( forgot the rest of the sbs names ) they aren't that easy to kill even if they get df'ed. ie : when I fight Jox its just if i'm hitting a wall with all his hp's :wall:
So those sbs give me fair fights

 

[knoll]

of course i would specc it but denying it is overpowered is funny.


and yes i prob give u a descent fight if my purge is up cause thrust aint a problem DF is.

but i remember 1 time i killed a minzer u came running towards me unstealthed i faced u sticker hit my uber snowblind style u evaded DF'ed me killed me during the stun time even though i got 2k + HP.

so hmm without purge its fucked

and like i said before against a enemy with debuffed str with a WS around 800 against yours 1500 it aint that hard for u to evade and land DF

 

[ztyx]

Before 1.62 arrived I respeced to 5-spec from a SZ-spec. After my respec I managed to get more rps than before! Thanks to that it opened up the game to engage new situations. More fun and more rps.
Before 1.62 I thought myself as an equal to Infils. I knew if I got dragon fanged wout purge I was dead. And even with purge up a fight vs a high rr was an even call.

Today I can get killed by an RR1 Infil who land Dragon Fang.
Also note that After 1.62 (and a while before) Mids have been having the bonus from the relics.

FACTS
- 2H weapon suck *ss. Isn't i viable strat vs infils - only in rare situations.
- Frosty Gaze can't be compared to Dragon Fanged. Since U need to hit an enmey twice wout the enemy evade/parry/block = 0.5*0.5= 0.25% vs an infil, IF u manage to evade and hit twice in a row wout being DFd... Then add a Mintrel to this...

 

[witte-]

Originally posted by knoll
of course i would specc it but denying it is overpowered is funny.

well i'm not denying it

 

[knoll]

and to be honest i rather swapp my superior 2k+ HP is with RA's and MoA 4 BuffsHP with your specc points and your RA's and i think u would do that same.

 

[knoll]

Originally posted by witte-
well i'm not denying it

that makes u a Rare inf

and a inf i kinda start like loosing to.

 

[BidAccount]

To be honest guys, you're getting fixated on the wrong issues.

Firstly I'm hoping the style reviews will do great things - perhaps I'm overly optimistic there. However fixating on DF is going to get you nowhere, and has got the SB nowhere for at least 3 patches now.

Haldar is the only person I've seen trying to make a case for reasonable improvemets - I don't agree with all the perceived weaknesses he lists, but he makes a reasonable case.

Mythics adjustment history shows they look for hypothesis - what is the problem and why, substantiation - cold hard tests and backup data, and then amendments that go to a test server. They do not look at board whines and 'nerf this cos I don't like it' threads.

Its your call - whine about DF and get nothing for months, or put your support behind reasonable adjustment requests and data to support them.

 

[knoll]

have u read anything i said ?

only thing overpowered in inf is DF and even your fellow infs agree its to much.

there are tons of other issues concerning thrust line and SB str/con debuff and SB only able to specc slash and so on but the one thing that do stick out the most is DF and why is that jez lets gather our braincells and figure that out.

nerf all evade styles on assasins make them second in chain imo=hard to land after all we should all use CS line ?? remeber some ppl screaming that when SB's specced SZ.
like i said before getting your WS down to800 doesnt take much for the inf/ns to evade your styled hit and land their stun style.

and stun from evade affects more then just SB's it affects all classes fighting infs/ns's.

sure ns's only got 5 sec stun from evade but they also got RA ap + viper.
sb's got shadow run which we all know is just about useless.

like i said the list goes on but hey the nerf for DF aint just a fluke there is something behind it some inf's got the brains and guts to admit its to much some dont which 1 are u ?

 

[nalistah]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Fair enough - thats your opinion.

Still - haven't had any response to the challenge to post cold, hrd data to back up any assertion that the infil is overpowered.

Guess there isn't any.

no ofc not, 9sec stun after evade on a class with evade7 is very _balanced_, dont u think?

and if u think that everything that u say is so right and correct, why dont u dare to say who you are in game?
Dont u think its really lame to hide behind a fakenick on BW?

 

[behatch]

Originally posted by nalistah
no ofc not, 9sec stun after evade on a class with evade7 is very _balanced_, dont u think?

and if u think that everything that u say is so right and correct, why dont u dare to say who you are in game?
Dont u think its really lame to hide behind a fakenick on BW?

i thought his infil was called donttouchpoopy,then i checked Dus wave,not reconized,then i hear joand or someone sayings its sbfoff or something,or am i thinking about glottis?

 

[lorric]

Originally posted by behatch
i thought his infil was called donttouchpoopy,then i checked Dus wave,not reconized,then i hear joand or someone sayings its sbfoff or something,or am i thinking about glottis?

Sbfoff is glottis

 

[behatch]

Name: Dragonfang
Level: 50
Prerequisite: You evade
Attack: High Bonus
Defense: Low Penalty
Fatigue Cost: Low
Damage: Medium
Effect: Stunned

i thought DF had high fatigue ? nerf ,make DF high end use,9s stun of evade and low fatigue,wtf that takes piss,at least doublefrost use's loads of end,our "1buttonwinning" and yours takes fck all

 

[behatch]

Originally posted by lorric
Sbfoff is glottis

i see,thnx m8

 

[BidAccount]

Sboff is glottis.

A couple of SB players here seem to think we're one and the same - they can't get their heads around the concept that perhaps two or more people disgree with their mindless repetitions of 'nerf df' and posting of style listings. We are separate players and posters - you want proof then badger a mod to check.

Posting a style list is not hard data.
Repeating 'but its a 9 sec stun off evade' is not cold hard data.

I know the above, you know the above - hell mythic wrote the above. Why do you think repeating it back to them will do anything?

Cold hard data is numbers and logs - lots of them. You want changes you get them and post them to your SB TL/mythic. Whine on the boards all you like - it changes nothing!

 

[behatch]

who is your infil ?

 

[behatch]

oh and i wasnt posting that as evidence to anything actually

 

[BidAccount]

Originally posted by behatch
who is your infil ?

Read back - have addressed that question previously.

And btw - stealthzerg of the day award goes to Nalistah and his little chums who need 5 (or was it 6?) buffed hunters and SBs to take on solo targets at amg. Grats to that uber skilled SB.

 

[nalistah]

Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Read back - have addressed that question previously.

And btw - stealthzerg of the day award goes to Nalistah and his little chums who need 5 (or was it 6?) buffed hunters and SBs to take on solo targets at amg. Grats to that uber skilled SB.

me and jaond havent been more then a duo the whole day... cant help if other mids come and leech if we jump someone on our way past amg. Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[Divinia]

psst, im solo.. there is other people here but im ungrouped...

 

[BidAccount]

Comes with the territory.

Say - wasn't Jaond arguing that whether or not you were solo or duo - if there were other stealthers in the area you counted as a group?

Hmmmmm......