I am very angry with you

[JackHeart]

I am really hurt by all of this, and I think it is so very sad that you leaving DAoC, but I also understand why.

I think it is so crap, that GOA cant restore your chars and reveal info on the scammer. At least char info, so community could handle it.

Yes, "sharing" an account is your own fault, but helping the scammer (that is infact what GOA is doing) is even worse. Now scammers all over will now that it is "safe" to scam.

I am seriously thinking of quiting DAoC also. If not to make a stand, dont think that will make any difference for GOA but at least it feels good for me.

 

[Ixoth]

That sucks I wouldn't never give details even to IRL friend. Nor will accept details for others (been offered numerous times, for mainly PL services or to just have someone's char stickied on some ML/raid) - just to prevent ppl maybe later then referring such details offerings and accusing of item / gold stealing (what I ofc don't do, but ppl start remembering to whom they've gave the details, and try to find the guilty one.. as its hard to prove that one didn't take the item/gold cba to accept details).

If you don't accept details, then you can't be blamed.

Don't ever give details to anyone, not to even IRL friend.

 

[Grimmen]

I feel for you cemi0 m8.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

Sorry to hear this has happened to you cemi0, your a decent chap and deserve this least of all. However, the warnings have been there about account sharing since the dawn of the game, and this is why GOA ram it down peoples necks constantly, only to get flamed on here for trying to protect others from scammers, damned if they do, damned if they dont. The moral here is if you use net cafes or share a PC with others, make damn sure you dont leave any trails behind.

One thing I will say, what can you possibly do if GOA did share that info with you, go round his house, sue him perhaps? Im sure GOA will d what they legally can under the rules, but naming and shaming wont get your gear back.

What I will say is even I am willing to donate a couple plat to you to help you get back on your feet, and I suggest any one whos ever been on one of your raids, beit dragon, TOA or whatever do that same, most of us have profited out of your plans so why dont we all put alittle back in. Contact me in game, and ill drop you a little cash m8, sorry I dont have any of those items to give you, but ever little helps.

Come on Mids, put ya hands in ya pockets!!!

 

[Grimmen]

Shame I aint active anymore I would happily donate a couple of plats, seeing I have been on a bunch of your raids.

 

[Urme the Legend]

The thing that happened really sucks.. and I hope you somehow will get the stuff back

But at the same time I feel it is your own fault actually. This would never had happened if you didn't share you account details with other people. This is clearly stated in the COC. Your email, computer, msn, ICQ etc wasn't hacked. Your friends MSN was "hacked" and it's your responsibility to keep login+password "secured". Sending pass+login over MSN isn't a very responsible way to keep those things secured.

Can't see any reason for GOA to tell you what character/name the stuff was traded to either. Was probably some newly created lvl 1 character.

 

[cemi0]

Bla bla this is not account sharing this is MSN hack .. bullshit you were sharing your account ... and because his msn got hacked you got robbed .. but that doesn't take way the fact you were account sharing to begin with......

I have never at any point said it wasnt account sharing and it was my fault in the first place. I knew the chances of getting my items back were small because I was in a unfortunately situation.

I have remained calm all the time. I first got pissed when what I think was a very lousy GM respond. I dont blaim GOA for not giving my items back. I blaim them for giving me a lousy respond I cant use for jack. They could have said a thousand things, all 100% true, which would have made me feel better and continue the game. But thing is. They dont know the first thing about customer support. Atleast the person I dealt with dont. It also only take 2 seconds to check for spelling error.
And then they have the guts to refuse me to give the ingame characters blaiming it on some Privacy low they bound to. That is totally bullshit and I intend to dig that Privacy low up and claim my right for the name. Because if there was a Privacy low preventing them for giving out "identities masked by the use of a pseudonym or alter-ego" it would be exactly the same for all scam situations. I.e. scammer hacking victims email or victim giving scammer information.

You read statued reply?

i recently got my some items taken off my account...lets say i left my account logged in lan cafe while i went for 10 minute WC afk.

when i return items are gone from character(S) and no1 will admit they did it

i asked goa for trade logs and they had np giving me info i needed

He treated his account unsafe aswell, yet he got logs. Its just totally bullshit because the GM is pissed off at me.

One thing I will say, what can you possibly do if GOA did share that info with you, go round his house, sue him perhaps? Im sure GOA will d what they legally can under the rules, but naming and shaming wont get your gear back.

I would feel better about it, simple as that. Atm I havent got the slighest clue who scammed me. It could be one of my friends, it could be a random person. If GOA would give me those log proving it was a random guy I do not know then it would be sorta "ok". But I would be furious if I found out it was a person I consider as my friend.
Also to warn the community about this game. As the CoC clearly states they dont want ppl like this playing. And oh, they also wrote that encouring hacking is also against the CoC. I do not know what you lads think. But I think GOA pretty much encouraged MSN scam here since you can walk away with enormous richess and not even a warning added to your account cause its 100% legit.

Can't see any reason for GOA to tell you what character/name the stuff was traded to either. Was probably some newly created lvl 1 character.

They can still tell me all of the characters on the account.

Ixoth: You most be the smartest person living on earth atm

 

[Cerberos]

Sad news m8:/ but dont quit the game and let the scammer win.

Im sure theres alot that has attended your raids that will gladly help you get back on your feet again

 

[sphir]

sorry for your loss, had something like that happen to me aswell keep it going, i did.

 

[Tiarta]

Sorry to hear that cemi0, i hope things will sort itself or you get the energy to continue with the game (i know its a HUUGE work to build all that up you have lost)

GOA customer support uke: uke:

this is my recent experience with GOA's customer service - https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=32163

(my posts comes later in that thread)

i know it has nothing to do with this scam (but damn GOA has alot to learn regarding customer relations )

GL cemi0

 

[Ging]

Gobo u gimp pm me later today if your still playing and we can drag a couple of theurgists to EoY a few times till the necci drops for you! Im respeccing mine full earth to help with some other artis - so might as well make use of it.

 

[Tiarta]

Gobo u gimp pm me later today if your still playing and we can drag a couple of theurgists to EoY a few times till the necci drops for you! Im respeccing mine full earth to help with some other artis - so might as well make use of it.

allready got new template, just need the the ml 10 offhander and last 2 lvls on malice and Gobo is set again ^^

template can be seen here

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/showthread.php?t=168202

 

[[CE]Hjendug]

ohh ye and btw, i remember the time when i got 2 weeks for calling an e&e member on irc for an ignorent prick, where exactly does it say that you can ban people ingame, when the action is outside the game ?

 

[Jimmi]

GOA: It is forbidden by law to pass on data pertaining to another person even if that persons identity is masked by the use of a pseudonym or alter-ego. That is the law we are bound by.

Funny, 'cause when I got hacked they gave me the name of the guy that stole all my stuff + banned the sucker.

Hello,

I have investigated this issue and discovered that on the 23rd of june character "Jimmi" transfered a large amount of items and money to a character called "Laaken".

I remind you that the security of your account is your own responsibility. Keep your antivirus and firewall up to date and don't keep your login details in a textfile on your pc or in your email inbox.

Yours sincerely,

They even gave me back my plats:

Hello again,

Ok I found a transfer of 700 gold from character Ardun. I have thus given character Jimmi 16.7 plat back. And as I said before this is all we will return to you.

Heck, they even told me they banned the guy that hacked my account:

Due to privacy and legal reasons I can't tell you the procedings nor the findings of the investigation regarding the other account(s) that is/are involved. Lets just say that they won't be used to hack with anymore.

 

[Vaas Harkonnen]

goddamn!!!!!!!

 

[moik]

ohh ye and btw, i remember the time when i got 2 weeks for calling an e&e member on irc for an ignorent prick, where exactly does it say that you can ban people ingame, when the action is outside the game ?

E&E special treatment for the win! Maybe cemi0 should apply and he might get his items restored or atleast the name of the culprit.

 

[Coalface]

I can only join in the que of people feeling sad for you.
I agree to almost all that has already been said in this thread, its sad to see people being misstreated in this way.

My account are for the time being closed, but if you decide to continue the game, you know how to reach me. I will reactivate account if you need help with anything.

Hope to see/hear from you.

 

[Klonk]

I first heard about this a few days ago, when my rl friend Pile/Brunoyet called me and told me to talk to Healler. I was as shocked as everyone else who heard, and I sent a mail to RightNow confirming I found a keylogger on my comp, and that my Hotmail/MSN password was changed (I couldnt log onto my own mail/MSN).

I also sent my MSN log file to Healler and RightNow, where it was obvious that the chat displayed on Healler's homepage (where Healler talks to the scammer) was not done from my comp. I dunno how technically solid that file "evidence" is, but I wanted to help.

As for myself, I am a good friend of Healler's, we've had alot of fun together on Daoc, and ofc we spoke alot on MSN after I quit Daoc around xmas last year.

When I quit daoc, I gave all my cash (around 100p) and login info to Pile, since he is a rl m8 and he would continue to play daoc. So my motive for doing something like this would be non-existant. If I wanted to scam someone, I would probably have done it ages ago, since I have had access to several m8s accounts while I played (as have most ppl I guess).

So clearly, maximum bad luck, Healler What I don't get is why they don't want to give you the names of the chars involved.. that's just bullshit. You can have my (inactive) account anyday if you want, I realize it's not the same at all, but at least there's some of the same classes, and I don't use it anyway

I am still expecting an answer from MSN, maybe they can give me the IP from which the scammer logged on my MSN account, that would rock.

 

[raid]

dont know what to say, this is just sad

 

[Olly]

Gogo, this is just what we need. A fookin stab in the back for beeing good customers.

 

[necromania]

GOA sucks big time

 

[Acrantophis]

Most people write "That sucks", I dont think anyone can understand how it feels like to have ~2years of work just get deleted in a heartbeat by some lowlife scum that dont know the diffrence with mine and yours, I could sense your mood on msn the other day, and you sure feel really bad atm.

I am so truly sorry that you are not going to be with us ingame anymore, you are one of those persons you can talk about just anything with, And i love your singing

If you ever feel like starting up again just tell me and ill do my best to help mate.

/Acran.

 

[Fenderon]

who will sing in /send now?

I'm with phule.. if you do come back.. just give a shout and I'll do my best to help you get back on your feet.

Sad to see good people leave for reasons like this.

 

[Calo]

aye no more sing in /send

will miss you alot healler and if u come back, ill help u farm alot.

 

[Herjulf]

How did se.. jan erik get his msn haxxored?

Did he accept some file of some kind or was it simply remotely hacked?

I am very interested in knowing this. So i can hack other ppls msn.. ^^ nah defend/turn of the functionality in question.

That said i am not keeping login etc on computer using hardcopy, but if some1 use a keylogger that arent recognised by anitivirii/spyware for example a keylogger wtitten by one of all those "free" tools that people use to play daoc. Spellcrafting tools, auto template builders etc etc.

So i would very much like to know what was used?

 

[marx]

I'm also curious to find out what the name of the keylogger was, there's quite many diffrent ones out there that you can easily set up, and some can be traced back. Most antivirus programs detect the lowbie keyloggers immedietly though, firewalls usally detect them once they try to send the information and so forth .. quite difficult to get a good keylogger into a protected computer.

Also the best way to recover the items/find out who did it, imo, is to figure out how he got the keylogger, probably not that many diffrent programs frekke downloaded off other daocplayers who knew what could be gained after he quit daoc?

 

[Herjulf]

Above said and me feeling for u wholeheartedly.
That is why i never ever share accts, nor do i borrow other people accts.

I am scared to death of being the guilty party for some fella loosing his "ingame valuables" and characters.

I have been offered to borrow many accts over the years, to try out hunters, dark SM´s, warlocks etc etc. However tempting it has been, i dont want to.

I have all the security i feel i can have. Antivirus updated daily, Firewall with a registered internal ip, so that direct active connections isnt possible. Spyware/webbrowsing protection.

But there are always flaws to exploit, i am very worried about if transparent messengers, such as msn, that uses a client - server connection, has flaws/exploits allowing people to take them over remotely.

If it is as described by the original poster, the chatlogs from MSN must be stolen/read. And those are stored on harddrive are they not?
So the person must either have had Physical access to the computer, or used one of the many trojan backdoor programs that is out there. or exploited some sort of flaw in msn to get the logs. or a keylogger.

please be as detailed as possible.

edit: oh and an alternative way to do this is, contact MSN. report it to them and if MS policy permit, jan anders might be able to get either your info that way or bust him for invasion of privacy or such. As that is what it is.
I am unaware of whose laws are to be the valid ones. but whichever MSN is the place to start.

 

[Hamro]

i would help you out if i could. but i play hib, i sincerely hope you keep playing daoc and dont fall to the scammer. im sure people in guild and your mates will help you ToA your chars again

 

[Herjulf]

lol just spent 10mins on a coffebreak at work, there are so much shit for msn out there.

i found lots of applications that directly applies.

1. A application that when launched on the client computer reveals MSN passwords, requires physical access.
2. Program that when sent to a users msn presents itself as a .txt file that the user accepts. when user clicks it it installs itself, popup a notepad window with text not to arouse suspicion, and works as a msn backdoor, hacker then use a frontend client to your msn.
3. many many trojans that are discussed in msn related incidents.

 

[Imgormiel]

I am really sorry to hear this, I've been a victim of scam myself but sad to say that I am afraid GOA's rather dim view of things and some of the nubs they employ to answer your questions leaves something to be desired. A minority of them have little understanding of what they are writing when they answer your questions as a customer, which also involves their lack of understanding of customer support and their role in it.

Although in essence they are in the right so to speak, but they have not really been fair and equitable with their answer to your question. It's too bad that Requiel has not given his views on this but I am afraid that this post/incident will serve yet again as another notice on GOA's site in its Friday news that you must not share your accounts and obviously try to bolster their own customer service image with their justification/implementation of what their rules are.

Ironically, only a few weeks ago I asked customer service a question which involved money in the game of a sort. Their reply invited an element of scam by the phrase 'trade with someone you trust'. But with this situation in mind, there is questionable doubt over who is really who these days and their answer will always be the same, 'it is your fault'.

As for the scammer it appears he has the intelligence lesser than that of Ape, which is probably why he played Camlann back in the day, let's hope what goes around comes around in his case. Sad to see you go even though I did not know you in game.

Good luck.