Grow tired of anti-smokes...

[Sparx]

I personally would rather be left inside with the bags than lung cancer oooo

Drinking may have a problem socially but the guy sitting 2 seats away from me getting hammered is only going to annoy me not give me liver problems (unless thats where he stabs me)

One of the things about smoking is you are forcing it on everyone around you, plain and simple you smoke then pretty much everyone within 5 metres may aswell smoke. Drinkings external effects are them being loud and throwing up on your shoes

It baffles me that smokers are trying to defend their arguement with such a weak example.

BTW i dont smoke but also dont mind if people are smoking around me, i let folk smoke in my car so long as the windows are down.

I agree that banning smoking in lounges and clubs is one step too far, its like saying you can go into macdonalds but your not allowed to eat meat unless you go outside to eat it.

Oh and the comment about body handling a safe amount of passive smoking, why should my body HAVE to handle it? its your decision to put your body through that not mine. If i do acid is it ok if a little goes over you? of course it isnt

EDIT: and yes i agree with if you were there smoking first why should you move just cause a non-smoker arrived. Just cause you smoke doesnt make you black in 40s America

 

[dub]

I love the no smoking rule.

For years and years I used to go out on a night out and stand in pubs with people smoking all around. You would get home at night and your clothes would smell like a used ashtray. It was disgusting frankly.

ye well apparently you were alone , othervise the market would have supplied you with non-smoking bars before they implemented the crap legislation

 

[Ch3tan]

ye well apparently you were alone , othervise the market would have supplied you with non-smoking bars before they implemented the crap legislation

Nope, the smoking bans across various countries are great. It's only smokers that miss smoking inside. The bars made money from the sale of cigarettes, and didn't want to loose business to other bars by being in a minority.

 

[dub]

Nope, the smoking bans across various countries are great. It's only smokers that miss smoking inside. The bars made money from the sale of cigarettes, and didn't want to loose business to other bars by being in a minority.

so you are arguing that yes there were a market but noone wanted a piece of it....

 

[Sparx]

There were plenty of non smoking bars before the legislation came in.

The most successful bars atm are ones that already had massive outdoor smoking areas before the ban. A pub we used to go to had a tiny smoking area at the back and that was it

 

[georgie]

If I eat fatty foods, the person next to me will be harmed? What the fuck?

Not entirely sure I said that... but okaay.

 

[old.Tohtori]

*walks away* >.<

Got my answer; there is no proof. Thanks to all who provided help regarding that.

 

[dub]

There were plenty of non smoking bars before the legislation came in.

ah so this means that first of all there was no need for the ban and secondly that all those that complain about being bothered by smoke before the ban is talking crap

 

[Thorwyn]

 

[georgie]

That's some snow.

 

[soze]

I hate smoking i hate the smell and the day after being somewhere full of smoke i always felt rough. So I'm glad some places like Football Stadiums, Train Stations ect are Smoke Free, but i think pubs should have been given the option to get a smoking licence and just ban it from the bar where the staff are. Just have some extractor fans the other side of the bar to keep it away from staff and then its a choice go to a smoking bar or not.

 

[Zenith.UK]

*walks away* >.<

Got my answer; there is no proof. Thanks to all who provided help regarding that.

EXCUSE ME!
I didn't get a chance to answer before you typed.
*I* personally have proof that second hand smoke harms me.
I will almost always end up with an asthma attack if someone smokes in the same room as me, or if I walk into a room where someone has recently smoked. It's not immediate, but within 10-15 minutes I will be wheezing and having trouble breathing.

It's part of the reason that I welcomed the smoking ban, and why I don't allow people to smoke in my house (even my own mother). Aside from kicking off my asthma, it also smells terrible. I've mentioned before that I used to work for a medical diagnostics company and I provided a urine sample as a non-smoker for cotinine testing. I came out with a level comparable to a smoker. I hadn't been in bars or breathing in second hand smoke.
My g/f at the time smoked and it was her nicotine being passed on to me in bodily fluids. No word of a lie!

 

[ST^]

Not entirely sure I said that... but okaay.

Doesn't matter if you said it or not. You were replying to a point about 2nd hand smoke. How the fuck does fatty food become relevant in that discussion?

 

[ST^]

*walks away* >.<

Got my answer; there is no proof. Thanks to all who provided help regarding that.

You really need proof? Smoke is proven to be harmful. That means 2nd hand smoke too. Unless cigarettes create some magical barrier around the smoker that filters out the harmful effects?

 

[georgie]

Doesn't matter if you said it or not. You were replying to a point about 2nd hand smoke. How the fuck does fatty food become relevant in that discussion?

Are we having a bad day, ST? You're coming across as rather aggressive.

 

[old.Tohtori]

EXCUSE ME!
I didn't get a chance to answer before you typed.
*I* personally have proof that second hand smoke harms me.
I will almost always end up with an asthma attack if someone smokes in the same room as me, or if I walk into a room where someone has recently smoked. It's not immediate, but within 10-15 minutes I will be wheezing and having trouble breathing.

It's part of the reason that I welcomed the smoking ban, and why I don't allow people to smoke in my house (even my own mother). Aside from kicking off my asthma, it also smells terrible. I've mentioned before that I used to work for a medical diagnostics company and I provided a urine sample as a non-smoker for cotinine testing. I came out with a level comparable to a smoker. I hadn't been in bars or breathing in second hand smoke.
My g/f at the time smoked and it was her nicotine being passed on to me in bodily fluids. No word of a lie!

Apologies.

I think asthma is a exception(or other respitory things) to that, ofcourse it effects them. Though as an asthmatic, i'd think it's the same as a diabetic complaining there's no sugar free snacks/drinks behind the bar. Comes with the territory.

The second part is interesting, is it really possible that bodily fluids can carry out harmful toxins from smoking or do you have to turn into a vacuum cleaner at her below bits to achieve it?

Did she smoke inside or some such? Other explanations?

 

[Jeros]

Fuck smokers, ruin your lungs all you want but don't do it around me fs.

But hey if you don't like the non smoking rules then light up in a club or pub and argue your point with the bouncer......

 

[old.Tohtori]

Fuck smokers, ruin your lungs all you want but don't do it around me fs.

But hey if you don't like the non smoking rules then light up in a club or pub and argue your point with the bouncer......

Hey, you wanted the smoking ban and complained complained complained witho9ut stopping. Now the tables have turned, so eat the complaints mister healthsnack!

Oh and to those earlier who said "complain like toht/didn't complain like toht", i wasn't complaining about smoking/anti/etc, i've reformed to new laws etc without a gripe in my body. I complain about unreasonable babycarriage dickwads

I do however defend smoking if so need be, against unreasonable dickwads.

And since it's on the thread and it's derailed pretty much, why isn't anyone addressign peerpressure drinking in bars? Surely that's harmful to others.

Peerpressure drinking being "Oh you're not drinking? What's wrong? You driving? Why you in a bar and not drinking?"

 

[Ch3tan]

It actually seems smoking harms your intelligence (no not aimed at you for once toht).

Fatty foods cause sedon hand damage? LOL

As for dubs argument about non smoking bars and clubs, facepalm is not enough.

 

[old.Tohtori]

It actually seems smoking harms your intelligence (no not aimed at you for once toht).

Is this some kind of easter miracle?

 

[Ch3tan]

Health implications aside it's smelly and tastes horrible (and yes I do smoke casually, so I know).

 

[dub]

It actually seems smoking harms your intelligence (no not aimed at you for once toht).

Fatty foods cause sedon hand damage? LOL

As for dubs argument about non smoking bars and clubs, facepalm is not enough.

feel free to /facepalm all you want , its not me arguing that crap legislation is good.

nobody (atleast not me ) argues that smoking is not harmfull , my point is really that i believe crap legislation to be a worse problem than smoking.

you could either have gone for leaving it to the owner if he wanted a smoking or non-smoking establishment , or you could have banned tobacco products , each case would have been ok with me.

but banning a othervise legal substance in a private business setting is just crappy legislation no matter how you spin it

 

[CorNokZ]

I know I can't argue with you toht because.. Well you're toht

But on this subject I was agreeing with you 100% when I was a smoker. Now that I've stopped smoking I see things from a totally different angle, and to your big surprise, I totally disagree with you now

 

[Tuthmes]

 

[georgie]

It actually seems smoking harms your intelligence (no not aimed at you for once toht).

Fatty foods cause sedon hand damage? LOL

um.. who said that?

 

[fettoken]

Smoke scent + perfume = sex

Also, you are probably going to die from something else rather than second hand smoking so no complaints from me.

 

[Zenith.UK]

The second part is interesting, is it really possible that bodily fluids can carry out harmful toxins from smoking or do you have to turn into a vacuum cleaner at her below bits to achieve it?

Did she smoke inside or some such? Other explanations?

Right, I'll keep it as non-techy as possible.
The urine test in question detected cotinine which is a metabolite of nicotine. It was insanely sensitive. The only way to get a truly zero reading would require a non-smoker living in the country away from anyone who smoked for a few days before the test. Even passive smoking in a club or bar a couple of days beforehand would show as a small reading.

The g/f at the time smoked outside but liked to have one before settling down for the night. There was snogging and much transfer of saliva (not all bodily fluids are sexual ) one night at a weekend. I was asked on the Monday for a urine sample as a negative test to make sure that the quality control was working. I did what was needed and the result came out with a figure comparable to a smoker who had gone a day without a cigarette.

Everyone knew I was a non-smoker, and knew I hadn't gone out pubbing or clubbing that weekend. I also knew that I hadn't breathed in any second-hand smoke. Everyone was scratching their heads, myself included.

One of the testers asked if I had a g/f who smoked. When I said yes, they asked if I'd accidentally breathed in some smoke, but I made it clear that she always smoked outside and none had blown back into the house. He then smirked and asked me if we'd had sex that weekend. We had, but I'd "taken precautions" so I didn't think it could be that. He said that since all other factors had been excluded that left one vector... oral transfer through saliva.

[edit]
I just did a quick search and found this, so there is serious scientific research going on into nicotine transfer.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=dec8bf1920720869a1022b2cf2fbdbb2

 

[Olgaline]

all rait,

Visual Proof that Second Hand Smoke Kills - Health Videos - redOrbit


Secondhand Smoke: Questions and Answers - National Cancer Institute

 

[Chronictank]

I personally would rather be left inside with the bags than lung cancer oooo

A bit like the cans of failing livers and pints of kidney disease

Drinking may have a problem socially but the guy sitting 2 seats away from me getting hammered is only going to annoy me not give me liver problems (unless thats where he stabs me)

Or causes a fight, or damages the seating so you have to stand, or....
Direct health impact? no not really unless there is a confrontation
Indirect negative impact? yes

It baffles me that smokers are trying to defend their arguement with such a weak example.

I don't see any reasonable smokers saying you should be allowed to smoke anywhere, however they want places where you are allowed to smoke
Non-smokers then make the choice to go in and be exposed to it

 

[Shagrat]

where the hell are all the comparison with drinking coming from?

I thought we were discussing 2nd hand smoke, as far as Im aware, when I have a drink, the people stood around me dont suddenly get drunk as well (well they probably do, but its not through some osmosis effect from my drink).

Better fucking not anyway, or they can start giving me some money towards the pint I've just bought.