For those who say archers suck

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Carlos Bananos

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Originally posted by Aussie-
remi didnt evade an arrow!! ALARM+SCREEN+TOPIC!!


FU, asassins evade all arrows, then run and and pa archer in 1 shot,t hen kill his 4 archer m8s with 90% hp

assasins are overpowred imo.
 
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Glottis_Xanadu

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I know Jergiot does okish against SB's, but okish means that he will win some fights, not like he wins 100% of the fights. Also, Jergiot has a nice number of RA's to help him.
As scout you kind of need purge, IP, and MoArchery 2-3 to stand a chance against an SB, and ofcourse have some lvl 40 end potion to restore the end you lost after 5 evaded slams.
Atleast rr5 onwards, and if the SB has some RA's, the scout is dead meat.
I do not mind that a scout has a natural enemy, but Mythic putting in an elite RA named See Hidden gimped scouts beyond imagination. BT on all casters was bad enough, but the number of little "tweaks" done to scouts is silly. Draw times increased, no longer do more damage on sitting enemies (assasin classes still do, but archers don't). Cannot crit anybody who moves, which is stupid, not even stealthed assasins moving at snail pace...
Misses and fumble rates are high, despite high weaponskill with bow, there is no to hit bonus on longbow (to hit bonus on arrows are neglected once scout is passed 24, so the most expensive arrows have no extra impact on chance to hit, using cheaper arrows means you actually get a negative penalty).
No group will help you lvl or needs you in rvr. Solo is not viable really due to the 135 lvl 50 SB's.
So yes, scouts are screwed over royally by Mythic.
Regards, Glottis
 
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Ironfoot

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I think this is another royal case of........

yes wait for it............


here it comes............



































































































SOMEONE GOT PWNED...... AGAIN !!! CRY MORE ?
 
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Carlos Bananos

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Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
I know Jergiot does okish against SB's, but okish means that he will win some fights, not like he wins 100% of the fights. Also, Jergiot has a nice number of RA's to help him.


so your idea of balance is winning 100% fights?




As scout you kind of need purge, IP, and MoArchery 2-3 to stand a chance against an SB, and ofcourse have some lvl 40 end potion to restore the end you lost after 5 evaded slams.
Atleast rr5 onwards, and if the SB has some RA's, the scout is dead meat.

I do not mind that a scout has a natural enemy, but Mythic putting in an elite RA named See Hidden gimped scouts beyond imagination. BT on all casters was bad enough, but the number of little "tweaks" done to scouts is silly. Draw times increased, no longer do more damage on sitting enemies (assasin classes still do, but archers don't). Cannot crit anybody who moves, which is stupid, not even stealthed assasins moving at snail pace...
Misses and fumble rates are high, despite high weaponskill with bow, there is no to hit bonus on longbow (to hit bonus on arrows are neglected once scout is passed 24, so the most expensive arrows have no extra impact on chance to hit, using cheaper arrows means you actually get a negative penalty).
No group will help you lvl or needs you in rvr. Solo is not viable really due to the 135 lvl 50 SB's.
So yes, scouts are screwed over royally by Mythic.
Regards, Glottis


so your whining about assasins being overpowered, or them being the natural predetors of archers, OR that archery as a skill is shit, or the assasin population imbalance? D:
 
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Tranquil-

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If I hadn't been forced into making dinner soon I'd be all over this thread, you quarrelsome beings.
 
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Glottis_Xanadu

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Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
so your idea of balance is winning 100% fights?
Not really. But to have a chance of winning, yes. Comparing high lvl rr scouts to the regular scouts is a bit lame. They cannot be compared. Like a scout without a buffs, or with buffs. Buffs take care of a lot of shortcomings on a scout, but does not make a scout uber.

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
so your whining about assasins being overpowered, or them being the natural predetors of archers, OR that archery as a skill is shit, or the assasin population imbalance? D:

- Assasins are overpowered (or all other classes are underpowered).
- I stated I had no problem with archers being hunted by SB's, but with the detect hidden assasins can already find scouts easily enough. No need for see hidden which just takes the piss.
- Archery as a skill is shite, certainly needs to be improved.
- There are too many SB's, many more than inf's (think it was 90 lvl 50 infs vs 135 lvl 50 SB's, with similar lvl 50 populations, Mids and Albs).
I hope I cleared that up for you :)
Regards, Glottis
 
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-chancer-

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the archer class's definetly need sometime to balance them out after playing both rouges the SB's plus points far out weigh the archers
 
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Aussie-

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ofcourse Emain isnt possible anymore to solo as archer, still
leave like 90% other frontier zones to camp :eek:

(go gorge, hibs like it ^^)
 
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Carlos Bananos

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well, fact is solo pretty much means fighting against other stealthers, so speccing high melee/slash might be more approptiate than max bow.


most archers that whine, are the ones that used to play in the old days when thier main targets where ppl in grps...just like critblades, emain = almost impossible for a cs SB, so now to do well, we have to spec for longer fights


"oh noh..i can't solo fg's any more :l"
 
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Tranquil-

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Oh.. Christel, you better respec from your 'sniper' spec ;)
 
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Glottis_Xanadu

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Originally posted by Tranquil-
Oh.. Christel, you better respec from your 'sniper' spec ;)

I agree Tranquil :)
I guess my spec is old school with -
40+11+rr longbow
42+11+rr shield
35+11+rr stealth
35+11+rr slash

Initially archers would go 50 longbow, 42 shield, a lot of stealth, rest thrust really. I do find that my buffbot is too low, as thrust weaponspec is much higher than slash weaponspec (I guess due to my my low str, 250, while thrust weaponspec takes dex/str into account, which is much higher on scouts, with me around 340 dex). Not sure on the last bit though
Regards, Glottis
 
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skile

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Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
your fulla shit tbh :p


Aussie can, i've fought him.
Tang...
Arthic
jerigot
all can fight well vs assasins

won and lost vs all of those ppl, somtimes them kicking my ass bad.


i hate the generalisations ppl make (with i get owned so the class must suck), while lots of other ppl are doing well.

1. Dunno about Thangarth, mostly seen him in grps. Heard he's very low specced on stealth and high on melee. Dunno if he goes out unbuffed.

2. Rest are buffed.

3. When u do loose it must be because of the following: Your purge is down, their IP is up OR you got TS'd. Or else, u are a very shitty assasin :p.

I can fight well against assasins too, on equal terms (buffed or no buffed). IP down for me and purge down for them.
 
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skile

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Fair = Remove all detectedable skills towards eachother (archer vs assasin). True sight, detect hidden, see hidden. U name it. Archers are just as gimped as assasin in grp (if not even more) and are less good to kill casters with and teh s0x to kill other classes with (except maybe a stupid solo skald or bard). But a buffed assasin can take down 2 S+S tanks.

Conclusion:
Either fix archers in groups, make a us a good char in there.
Either fix archers solo (better meele, more dmg bow.. -hunters which are already good, if not counting SH)
Remove See Hidden in both cases.
 
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skile

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Originally posted by Ironfoot
I think this is another royal case of........

yes wait for it............


here it comes............



































































































SOMEONE GOT PWNED...... AGAIN !!! CRY MORE ?

Don't you see a pattern here? The whine must come for a reson........... Ignorance.
 
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alme

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Originally posted by censi
Archers are pretty crap in grps... (not completly useless but pretty duff)


Eh.. thats pretty much BS. The ranger ive had in grps is Clicc, and hes very good to have. Much better than a caster imo. Cant talk for all rangers tho, since ive more or less only grped with Clicc, but he really shows that archers aint useless.
 
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old.Odysseus

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Not useless, just not as good as ... well <insert any other class here>.
 
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old.Filip

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i prefer a scout in grp to a 2nd tank

if i got a scout in group i rather have 2 scouts than 1 scout+ random class..

(ofcause using assist and guard)
 
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Glottis_Xanadu

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Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
your fulla shit tbh :p
Aussie can, i've fought him.
Tang...
Arthic
jerigot
all can fight well vs assasins
won and lost vs all of those ppl, somtimes them kicking my ass bad.
i hate the generalisations ppl make (with i get owned so the class must suck), while lots of other ppl are doing well.

Duskwave, not up to date, about 1 month old data now.
Aussie - does not show up on Duskwave, but way passed 1m rp's.
Arcthic - 2m rp, did make all this AFTER all the nerfs, I think mostly grouped, buffed, and a lot of effort :)
Jergiot - 1,2m rp mostly solo I believe, buffed though, and a lot of effort also.
Tahngarth - 1,8m rp 3 stealth spec, grouped allmost all the time.

Those 5 you mentioned, I only know 1 from all the way back, namely Aussie, not sure when Tahngarth started (I think also way back). There are 75 lvl 50 scouts, it would be fun to see what number is active, I think around 10 max.
Regards, Glottis
 
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Aussie-

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cool i passed 1mil rp's
tnx for letting me know
 
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Faeldawn

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Originally posted by alme
Eh.. thats pretty much BS. The ranger ive had in grps is Clicc, and hes very good to have. Much better than a caster imo. Cant talk for all rangers tho, since ive more or less only grped with Clicc, but he really shows that archers aint useless.

Very true, our guild groups often have 1 or 2 rangers in the mix (usually Deity or Luxia) and when the group knows how each other member plays, then teamwork pays off.

If you know the group, and all the players play as a tight unit which usually includes a ranger, you get used to relying on them quite a lot.

Blameth not the class, even the most heavily nerfed of classes can be deadly if played by a good player.
 
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Glottis_Xanadu

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Originally posted by froler-mid
Aussie is realmrank 6|7 FYI !!!!11

I did say he was way passed 1m rp's.
He can post exact number if he wants, but I guess not, so I wont either :)
Regards, Glottis
 
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Carlos Bananos

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Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
Duskwave, not up to date, about 1 month old data now.
Aussie - does not show up on Duskwave, but way passed 1m rp's.
Arcthic - 2m rp, did make all this AFTER all the nerfs, I think mostly grouped, buffed, and a lot of effort :)
Jergiot - 1,2m rp mostly solo I believe, buffed though, and a lot of effort also.
Tahngarth - 1,8m rp 3 stealth spec, grouped allmost all the time.

Those 5 you mentioned, I only know 1 from all the way back, namely Aussie, not sure when Tahngarth started (I think also way back). There are 75 lvl 50 scouts, it would be fun to see what number is active, I think around 10 max.
Regards, Glottis

Jerigot was RR5 when he handed me my ass.

RAs help, but if your losing to RR1 SBs, then somthing _IS_ wrong.


if your losing to RR2 SBs with See Hidden, then somthing is even more wrong.



i bet your one of those scouts that spent loads of RAs on See Hidden, and missed propper ones like IP, dodger, mop, purge etc :l
 
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Glottis_Xanadu

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Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
i bet your one of those scouts that spent loads of RAs on See Hidden, and missed propper ones like IP, dodger, mop, purge etc :l

Yes, please tell me how to play a scout class mr SB.
Regards, Glottis
 
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Carlos Bananos

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i've played a scout tbh, and although i have been zerged by teh shadowzerg, i didn't get owned to the degree your whining about.
 
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Tranquil-

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Another one of the 'I played a scout for a couple of days kthxbye'. There's too damn many of them.

Oh well, it's not like there's any value or weight in any of the words said here, so I'll just crawl back down into my hole.
 

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