For those who said minstrels suck

[twistedmind]

We don't have two forms of cc. we have one. Snare only makes you move slower and by the time we reach for you our end will be gone. cause after a fight you need to wait for 4+ sec for the speed to get in and by that you will be gone. due to stealth. so you see skalds might be a tad better than minstrels. Hp like but if you run away with mach 5 speed and our snare land you run at mach 4 maybe three. and we have to run back. and also as it seems with your long range mez with flute you can play it while you move at mach 5 speed then switch to drum again and play the movement anthem.

But as a skald you run to the enemy cast the insta mez. note you are only on 700 range and try to run back the speed chant stop and you are more vulnarable to eventually spells from a nearby mage. so skalds need a litle loving not much but just a liltle.

So far the skald had no loving but the mins had a nerf and gets loving next patch.

By the way if you go to 50 battle songs you have to spread the 0.5 extra skillpoint per lvl and deal it over two different spces. parry and weap.

you can get it to 43 weap and leave only 2 to parry then and as you know parry is not so good in rvr. that is my point of view over the skalds feel free to discuss with other skalds.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by twistedmind
We don't have two forms of cc. we have one. Snare only makes you move slower and by the time we reach for you our end will be gone. cause after a fight you need to wait for 4+ sec for the speed to get in and by that you will be gone. due to stealth. so you see skalds might be a tad better than minstrels. Hp like but if you run away with mach 5 speed and our snare land you run at mach 4 maybe three. and we have to run back. and also as it seems with your long range mez with flute you can play it while you move at mach 5 speed then switch to drum again and play the movement anthem.

Okay.. by this I'm guessing you have only played your skald for ~8 minutes total?


If you cast your insta snare on someone, their speed breaks aswell as being snared. They are then _walking_, not travelling at mach 4

You then have 10 seconds to close the gap to DD/mezz range before someone can stealth

 

[twistedmind]

Originally posted by Pin
Okay.. by this I'm guessing you have only played your skald for ~8 minutes total?


If you cast your insta snare on someone, their speed breaks aswell as being snared. They are then _walking_, not travelling at mach 4

You then have 10 seconds to close the gap to DD/mezz range before someone can stealth

That is wrong. and btw i have played my skald for 30 days all in total not so very much rvr but i have seen. i have witness that if i put a snare on a mins or a bard they still run pretty fast cause it only slows their movement. i have even snared a friar, i think with some sort of insane speed try to run at him but he outruns me even if i am buffed with end and sprint after him.

So no they dont walk after being snared if they have mach 5 speed they run just a lil slower than my mach 5 but by the time i reach him he is by the pk or he have reached a grp out playing. finding me easy rp. done it a few times.

And i am not so good as those that rvr alot but i know some of the the usual things that happen.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Pin
Okay.. by this I'm guessing you have only played your skald for ~8 minutes total?


If you cast your insta snare on someone, their speed breaks aswell as being snared. They are then _walking_, not travelling at mach 4

You then have 10 seconds to close the gap to DD/mezz range before someone can stealth

Your speed also breaks.
and the snare isn't as good as the assasin snare your used to, its barly a speed reduction, when your chasing someone at speed + snare them...you usually have to sprint to catch them in time of stealthing

 

[Carlos Bananos]

^^^ thus leaving you ooe + getting owned by a mincer with full end
Snare breaks on damage btw, and has its' own immunity timer, and a recast timer

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos
Your speed also breaks.
and the snare isn't as good as the assasin snare your used to, its barly a speed reduction, when your chasing someone at speed + snare them...you usually have to sprint to catch them in time of stealthing

They are identical to assassin poisons. Both 40% snares.

 

[hotrat]

edit just to comment on what Raist posted.... tbh anyone coming out of stealth with DD DD STUN rather than DD DD mezz is wasting damage... DD DD stun might have worked for thrust minstrels prior to RAs coming into the game, but why waste your stun at the start of the fight when you need it to have a chance of preventing IP?

The problem with dd dd mezz is the skald has a chance to prepare himself for battle, dd dd hit stun hit hit usually works better in my experience, i duelled a lot of skalds before see hidden and lost mostly using dd dd mezz, was pretty even using dd dd stun, mind you no IP back then either skalds were a lot harder back then.

Snare puts you in combat so no speed song and 40% less movement, very useful at times, especially as its instant and 1500 range.

 

[Begach]

Originally posted by Danyan
You brough up soloing, before you changed things it was about minstrel strength over skalds in general (which AE mez is a strength for albiet a kinda gimp one). You suddenly took that to mean solo strengths for some spurious reason. I declined to make random leaps of logic. Sorry if my mind doesn't follow your warped view of the world, I'll try harder in future.

OMFG can you actually read at all FFS ? Twistedmind the skald brought up soloing not me. I responded with he has life sweeter than other realms classes, Minstrel says they have some strengths in response (quoting AoE mezz as a possible), i respond to this with a,b,c,d then you came in out of nowhere with a tirade of bullshit. Granted i fergot to quote him, but within 2 posts in the exact same order i wouldn't consider it random leaps of logic to read the posts in the order they are posted.

FFS man go read a book (i'd recomend beginning to end but carefull of the random leaps of logic from page to page).

 

[Carlos Bananos]

honestly doesn't feel as strong as 40%.

it still breaks on damage though unlike assasin snare


its possible to kite using it, but kinda hard seeing as DD range is small

 

[hotrat]

Last post was a bit of a rush, last 30 secs of break at work would say it depends on situation, using mezz or stun that is.
The trouble with either way is the skald can just insta mezz you whenever he wants and run away or rest then attack.

 

[Danya]

Skald DDs are not more powerful than minstrel DDs, that's a myth that formed because Midgard has often held the power relics.
Skalds have 114 and 89 delve DDs on a 20s timer.
Minstrels have 114 and 92 delve DDs on a 15s timer.
Bards have a 114 DD on a 10s timer.
That means for damage over time the ordering is minstrels then bards then skalds.
For frontloading it's minstrels then skalds then bards.

Current bards have the advantage that their DD costs half as much power as skalds and minstrels, that is changed next patch as minstrel and skald DDs get reduced to be in line with bard's.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Begach
<snipped tirade of bullshit>

Learn to count, the two posts before yours are me and ckiller, nothing by twisted mind. His post was on the previous page. Since you didn't quote am I supposed to randomly guess which previous post you're referring to? I made the assumption that since you didn't quote or address your post to a person you were speaking in general. Since you also didn't mention soloing in your post there is even less connection to twistedmind's.

FFS man go learn how to convey a point without huge amounts of ambiguity (I'd recommend starting slowly though or you might break your tiny little mind).

 

[Begach]

Originally posted by Danyan
Learn to count, the two posts before yours are me and ckiller, nothing by twisted mind. His post was on the previous page. blah blah...blah...blah blah..of ambiguity (I'd recommend starting slowly though or you might break your tiny little mind).

FFS man what is the point of even talking to your stoopid ass....the post to which you responded with the bullshit WAS WITHIN 2 POSTS AND ON THE SAME PAGE (rure *original*, landshark, me *response*).

Funny thing is you agree'd (mincer AoE IS pretty much usless in most situations) but couldn't resist trying to be a pretentious twat. Congratulations you succeded and good luck with that.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Begach
FFS man what is the point of even talking to your stoopid ass....the post to which you responded with the bullshit WAS WITHIN 2 POSTS AND ON THE SAME PAGE (rure *original*, landshark, me *response*).

Funny thing is you agree'd (mincer AoE IS pretty much usless in most situations) but couldn't resist trying to be a pretentious twat. Congratulations you succeded and good luck with that.

WAHT?!

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

Well minstrel stealth suck ;o

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Originally posted by old.Gombur Glodson
Well minstrel stealth suck ;o

no access ^^