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[old.user4556]

Oh wait, that's right.

 

[TdC]

back when I was in photo skool I could shoot 1/8th sec with my trusty FM/2. Sunday evening I struggled to make a 1/20th

anyway, here's a bunch of different files. currently i'm thinking it's not high ISO per-se, but more lack of light that fucks it up, as normal light shots look fine. there's also noise at 200 ISO imo :-/ perhaps I'm being a pixel peeper, but it's way more than I expected. also, yes, I know the parking garage shot is OOF. me and a mate were testing his M-9 against the NEX-7. Neither of us were in focus, even though like I said above, in school we had such steady hands lol :-/

 

[TdC]

G, that pic of yours has way less noise than my church

 

[old.user4556]

Dude I reckon your RAW converter is fucked, that's horrid.

Can you attach the RAW for the church photo please?

 

[TdC]

oh ,yeah, none of those pics have had anything done to them. no noise reduction, anything. I tried last night with a mate to get the church in to something reasonable, but we failed miserably.

 

[TdC]

sure man, let me look it up...

 

[TdC]

this should be it mate

 

[old.user4556]

Will check it out after True Blood.

 

[TdC]

sure man, no rush. I *really* hope it's the RAW processor fucking things up. Because I simply like this camera a lot. A reasonable alternative might be the Olly OM-D, but I'll see about some alternate processors first...

 

[old.user4556]

Okay, here's yours and mine (yours left, mine right).

 

[Wazzerphuk]

The 17-55mm is image stabilised which helps a lot.

Tell me, is the new £2000 24-70mm image stabilised?

Does it need to be with my superb high ISO performance?

Oh, wait.

 

[TdC]

cheers bud! I trust you didn't do anything to it other than develop? the whole sky is much nicer than mine, not to mention detailing.

what settings are you running in your NEX-7? this one I have here is 100% vanilla.

 

[TdC]

right, so I swapped proggies and had a wee play.

 

[milou]

5D3 prices are beginning to fall e.g. http://camerapricebuster.com/Canon_EOS_5D_Mark_III_Body_pc.html

 

[old.user4556]

cheers bud! I trust you didn't do anything to it other than develop? the whole sky is much nicer than mine, not to mention detailing.

what settings are you running in your NEX-7? this one I have here is 100% vanilla.

Actually spent a lot of time on the image, NEX 7 settings are vanilla but I'm shooting RAW anyway.

Part of the problem is that it's underexposed by one stop, so ISO 6400 should have been used (or adjust shutter speed) as pushing an ISO 3200 gets ugly. You've also got a mixture of colour temps so processing makes it a challenge, not to mention a wide dynamic range with bright and dark spots.

My processing was:

- process in camera raw, pushed white balance to a slightly warmer image.

- applied Sigma 19mm lens profile, remove CA and barrel distortion

- removed all raw sharpening

- adjust exposure and black level

- save as TIFF, open in CS 6 and apply Topaz Denoise

- apply custom curves to selectively lighten areas that needed it and also to darken the shadows slightly thus removing the obviousness of the noise.

Also, your RAW converter looks awful, I suspect that's the crux of your issue here.

 

[milou]

With digital it is often better to lean a little more towards over-exposure (within reason) and adjust the highlights back down again later in the RAW conversion process.

 

[caLLous]

All-new 24mp sensor on the 7d2? Not a bad idea, that.

 

[old.user4556]

Sounds promising, an all new sensor is welcome as I believe Canon need it to continue to innovate.

 

[TdC]

Actually spent a lot of time on the image, NEX 7 settings are vanilla but I'm shooting RAW anyway.

Part of the problem is that it's underexposed by one stop, so ISO 6400 should have been used (or adjust shutter speed) as pushing an ISO 3200 gets ugly. You've also got a mixture of colour temps so processing makes it a challenge, not to mention a wide dynamic range with bright and dark spots.

My processing was:

- process in camera raw, pushed white balance to a slightly warmer image.

- applied Sigma 19mm lens profile, remove CA and barrel distortion

- removed all raw sharpening

- adjust exposure and black level

- save as TIFF, open in CS 6 and apply Topaz Denoise

- apply custom curves to selectively lighten areas that needed it and also to darken the shadows slightly thus removing the obviousness of the noise.

Also, your RAW converter looks awful, I suspect that's the crux of your issue here.

With digital it is often better to lean a little more towards over-exposure (within reason) and adjust the highlights back down again later in the RAW conversion process.

Cheers dudes!

The image is in horrendous light tbh: That church is lit by bluey-white LED spotlights. It was sunset. The church itself is made of a mix of red and tan bricks. Also, the NEX-7 tends to favour the reds alot. When I did the initial development, I did not do anything to the image at all, simple insta-export to JPEG.

I'll keep in mind your mentioning the under-exposure. I *think* I had the EV on neutral, but I don't actually remember. I'll be sure to give it a reasonable slight over-exposure and see if this helps.

Changing the RAW developer from Darktable to digikam did help a little with the noise, but tbh the latter is horrendous to work with, so I decided to purchase Lightroom. With the student license it's reasonable, but no frigging way am I going to buy Photoshop. (I have a thing against...trial...versions as well, so meh)

Cheers for the tips! Once apon a time I was at home in a darkroom/development studio, but this new-fangled digital jiggery-pokery is all new for me...

 

[Wazzerphuk]

5D3 prices are beginning to fall e.g. http://camerapricebuster.com/Canon_EOS_5D_Mark_III_Body_pc.html

Fall? That's what I paid for it on launch

 

[old.user4556]

right, so I swapped proggies and had a wee play.View attachment 10038

Dude that's even worse, is your monitor calibrated?

 

[Job]

I'm getting a Gopro Hero2, anyone used the gopro's, are they worth the money?

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Dude that's even worse, is your monitor calibrated?

I didn't want to be the one who told him, cheers

Probably more a case of blind Dutchy than monitor, I'm not going to calibrate until I start printing bigger stuff. Normally what I do seems fine on the few machines I use.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I'm getting a Gopro Hero2, anyone used the gopro's, are they worth the money?

Think a few people have them. From what I've heard and seen they do a good job for the money.

 

[old.user4556]

WANT.

http://www.petapixel.com/2012/08/20/beautiful-crystal-dslr-bookends-make-holding-up-books-a-snap/

http://fotodioxpro.com/index.php/ca...oom-lens-paperweight-book-shelf-bookends.html

 

[Embattle]

I didn't want to be the one who told him, cheers

Probably more a case of blind Dutchy than monitor, I'm not going to calibrate until I start printing bigger stuff. Normally what I do seems fine on the few machines I use.

My monitor is wank for photo's, if I did more photo's I'd have to invest in a new one.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Clown just posted an instagram picture of ties on facebook. He can no longer mock me.

 

[TdC]

Dude that's even worse, is your monitor calibrated?

I didn't want to be the one who told him, cheers

Probably more a case of blind Dutchy than monitor, I'm not going to calibrate until I start printing bigger stuff. Normally what I do seems fine on the few machines I use.

yeah thanks for reminding me. my monitor is totally not calibrated in any way. I don't intend to do so until I decide with some amount of seriousness what I will be doing.

I'm getting a Gopro Hero2, anyone used the gopro's, are they worth the money?

I have an original one. They are awesome tbh.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Ordered an extra 4gb of RAM to help general machine performance when in PP workflow for 5d3 images. PC slowed down at a couple of points due to Bridge/Photoshop and other things so moving from 4 to 8GB should help. At under £20 it seems like the sensible thing to do.

 

[old.user4556]

Yep, you'll struggle on anything less than 6GB.

PS lunches most of my 6GB.