Politics Election 2019

Who will you vote for 2019 UK GE

  • Con

    Votes: 9 37.5%

  • Lab

    Votes: 3 12.5%

  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 9 37.5%

  • Brexit

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .
DaGaffer

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Raven said:
It's his job. He is a complete embarrassment.
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The big brains all left the Tory Party a long time ago. I think there's lead in the pipes at CCHQ or something; how else do you explain qualified barristers like Suella Braverman being foaming at the mouth morons?
 
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DaGaffer said:
The big brains all left the Tory Party a long time ago. I think there's lead in the pipes at CCHQ or something; how else do you explain qualified barristers like Suella Braverman being foaming at the mouth morons?
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The thing that is becoming clear is that none of these people actually believe in what they are doing, they are doing it to pander to the bottom of the barrel of society, because that worked before.

It's backfiring, hideously, for them.

Politics is becoming (or became, ages ago) a brand, or lifestyle choice. It's getting to almost football fan levels of denial and tribalism.
 
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Aoami said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Police investigate Conservative MP Bob Stewart's Bahrain comment

Scotland Yard says it received an online report from a man alleging he had been verbally racially abused.
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"He added: "I don't believe I would have been told to 'go back' to the country that violently tortured me if it weren't for the colour of my skin. No-one should be subjected to racial abuse.""

Eh?
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mm so yeah, but then telling someone to 'go back where they came from' is like pretty damn insulting, not by my standard and I guess it's because of the links of it being used for non-white people? I don't know, but yeah, I guess without the context 'go back to where you come from' isn't.
 
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Gwadien said:
mm so yeah, but then telling someone to 'go back where they came from' is like pretty damn insulting
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More than calling him a cunt?

I know, I know, we live in a world now where being upset means you're the victim of a crime.
 
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Gwadien said:
mm so yeah, but then telling someone to 'go back where they came from' is like pretty damn insulting,
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He didn't say "go back to where you came from", he said "Go back to Bahrain", knowing full well the guy is from Bahrain. How is that racist?
 
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Right so what else is happening that they hope this card generates enough outrage to hide?
 
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Ormorof said:
Another own goal by UK govt playing into hands of SNP by cracking down hard on something they could have left up to courts to sort out where boundaries between laws are Sunak government threatens to block Scottish gender recognition law
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To be fair, if it was just about gender recognition Sunak would only object to please the gammon vote, but it's actually got wider ramifications that could cause headaches in a whole bunch of adjacent areas that need some proper thought.

NB. Self-ID is a terrible idea anyway, but that's a separate issue.
 
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DaGaffer said:
To be fair, if it was just about gender recognition Sunak would only object to please the gammon vote, but it's actually got wider ramifications that could cause headaches in a whole bunch of adjacent areas that need some proper thought.

NB. Self-ID is a terrible idea anyway, but that's a separate issue.
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Yeah i agree, but the wider ramifications could easily be left to courts to decide, you just know its worded the way it is to create exactly this kind of challenge. Instead by putting himself in its way hes proven that Scotland cant really make big changes without Westminster giving the green light, regardless of how the local population has voted. In which case the whole devolved government is kinda pointless. It just strengthens the independence movement rather than actually achieving anything.
 
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Ormorof said:
Yeah i agree, but the wider ramifications could easily be left to courts to decide, you just know its worded the way it is to create exactly this kind of challenge. Instead by putting himself in its way hes proven that Scotland cant really make big changes without Westminster giving the green light, regardless of how the local population has voted. In which case the whole devolved government is kinda pointless. It just strengthens the independence movement rather than actually achieving anything.
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Yes, but a lot of matters to do with identity (like passports, DVLA etc ) are UK-specific, so Scotland is making promises the rest of the country would be obliged to keep. There's already some history here with gay marriage where it was applied at a devolved level and then ended up with all kinds of issues with NI who didn't ratify gay marriage (and eventually Westminster had to force the issue). Self-ID would be much worse than this, especially because you can keep changing it.

Whether the Jocks like it or not, legally you're a UK citizen, not "Scottish".
 
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Agree @DaGaffer - but who cares what your gender is on your passport, your driving lucence etc.?

Do they identify you? If so, then it doesn't really matter what gender you prefer does it.

And the NI point you make about that bunch of backwards asshats is an argument in favour of forcing it through, not holding it up.

Sturgeon's playing a blinder tbh. It'll stoke Scottish nationalism even more.

If UK gov. wants to get owt from this then they'll sail it through and go "thank you Scotland - you make it perfectly clear that we're stronger together because your presence ihelps the United Kingdom be more caring, more progressive. Well done!"

And yep, some people in England will kick off, but people'll kick off anyway. in the big scheme of things letting weirdos write boy or girl on their passport, regardless of cock or vagina ownership, is small change. For me - I'd get rid of those little red blue prisons altogether.
 
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Scouse said:
Agree @DaGaffer - but who cares what your gender is on your passport, your driving lucence etc.?

Do they identify you? If so, then it doesn't really matter what gender you prefer does it.

And the NI point you make about that bunch of backwards asshats is an argument in favour of forcing it through, not holding it up.

Sturgeon's playing a blinder tbh. It'll stoke Scottish nationalism even more.

If UK gov. wants to get owt from this then they'll sail it through and go "thank you Scotland - you make it perfectly clear that we're stronger together because your presence ihelps the United Kingdom be more caring, more progressive. Well done!"

And yep, some people in England will kick off, but people'll kick off anyway. in the big scheme of things letting weirdos write boy or girl on their passport, regardless of cock or vagina ownership, is small change. For me - I'd get rid of those little red blue prisons altogether.
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It's not about any of that. It's about money. It's always about money, and the bureaucracy of this bullshit to please a few people who need medical help more than validation of their delusions.
 
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DaGaffer said:
It's not about any of that. It's about money. It's always about money, and the bureaucracy of this bullshit to please a few people who need medical help more than validation of their delusions.
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Bet I could find this exact argument for all the legislation we've passed for the gays.
 
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Gwadien said:
Bet I could find this exact argument for all the legislation we've passed for the gays.
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No you couldn't since sexual orientation isn't on an official document whereas Gender is on quite a few.
 
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Gender, @Wij.

And who cares, I mean really. If it was actually about sex - why does it matter on your driving licence?

If it says 'Ocelot' on your driving licence does it matter as long as you've passed your test?

If you want to change your driving licence you pay for it too...

If it stops 'em whining and makes 'em happy then why would I give a fuck?
 
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Scouse said:
Gender, @Wij.

And who cares, I mean really. If it was actually about sex - why does it matter on your driving licence?

If it says 'Ocelot' on your driving licence does it matter as long as you've passed your test?

If you want to change your driving licence you pay for it too...

If it stops 'em whining and makes 'em happy then why would I give a fuck?
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Women's refuges and prisons.
 
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Wij said:
Women's refuges and prisons.
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Yeah. Balls to that as a blocker tbh. They're things we can work around easily.

That's no excuse for not making the vast majority of these people feel better just because a very small minority of all people are criminal.

Criminality is a problem that's never going away.
 
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