Politics Ed Miliband

[Ch3tan]

Actually I can have a discussion with chodax, and he explained why he did not want the tories in power this time without using history after that. Unlike your constant socialist campaigning. As for arrogance, lol. Pot, kettle, black.

 

[tierk]

Minimum wage. Took the setting of interest rates out of the hands of politicians. Reduced waiting lists in hospitals. Betters schools. Lower crime rates. Devolution. Mayor of London.

Lets see what we get with the Tories in return.

 

[Zede]

Actually I can have a discussion with chodax, and he explained why he did not want the tories in power this time without using history after that. Unlike your constant socialist campaigning. As for arrogance, lol. Pot, kettle, black.

I fully realise its impossible to change the self centered me me me attitude of heck, even one conservative - thats just the nature of things.

I dont want a discussion with right wing faggots like you, Kagato, Chipper & the rest of your kind. Black/White Chalk/Cheese Yin/Yang. Its just the way it is.

I'm glad cho passed your post approval machine, imho not getting approval from scum is very disconcerting you know. Fuck, better use my thesarus & change disconcerting to "bad" dont want you thinkin' i'm not an idiot n' all that.

yes yes, im a bad boi, i use "swear" words against you tory tits, I dont comply with the forum ettiquette & just come out and abuse the right wing insects like you.

I can fully understand the dichotomy felt in the US during the latter Bush years ( gee, all of em tbh). Your not alone, you have millions of self centered arrogant cocks across the globe to rub you when its needed, and it will be needed.

 

[civy]

Minimum wage. Took the setting of interest rates out of the hands of politicians. Reduced waiting lists in hospitals. Betters schools. Lower crime rates. Devolution. Mayor of London.

Lets see what we get with the Tories in return.

It's like the neighbor with the new car/40 inch TV/4 week cruses. Then one day the bailiff turns up. They had been doing it all on credit cards and living beyond their means.

 

[Corran]

Zede - you are proving that government debates on forums, like religion, do nothing but cause a few people act completely childish and arguementitive.

My vote went to Conservative, simply because they seemed the best of a bad bunch. Labour in recent years have done many many stupid things, Libs had absolutely no chance, and SNP are just a joke.

Labour done some good things, and lots of bad things. They done things to help the short-term, at the cost of long term with the knowing they can blame another government because people started turning on them a long time ago and so it was always likely they would see the door.

We been borrowing way to much money for way too long, and giving away way to money to other countries (aid) whilst constantly saying we cant afford to help our own country...
as a country the UK gives alot of charity aid to countries that go through a disaster, so why are we then adding even more to that through the government? Did we get international aid when we had natural disaster (floods)? not that I know off. We dealt with it ourself. No charities in other countries gave money either. So foriegn governments and charities felt we were unworthy of aid for an unplanned disaster, but we would be the first to give away money if it happened elsewhere.
This just one example of why governments annoy me, and yes I know this Tory government will do the same, as all them would have.

Anyways, I probably wont say much, if anything, else in this thread as there too many people wanting to just get insulting.

 

[Ch3tan]

blah blah blah

So I'm a right wing queer?

Keep em coming zede, you seem to be on a roll.

 

[Zenith.UK]

I dislike Labour for a number of reasons. Partly historical, partly policy, partly attitude.
I agree with more Conservative policies than LibDem policies, but I don't label myself one or the other. In many ways, the current coalition closely matches my personal opinions so I have no complaints.

It doesn't stop one of my mates calling me "Tory Boy".

 

[Lamp]

What is it they say about politics & religion ?

 

[Ch3tan]

What is it they say about politics & religion ?

They are both a lie?

 

[Corran]

They are both a lie?

Nah, i think what they actually say is "Both are a load of bollocks!"

 

[Kagato]

I dont want a discussion with right wing faggots like you, Kagato, Chipper & the rest of your kind. Black/White Chalk/Cheese Yin/Yang. Its just the way it is.

I beg your pardon? I've yet to post in this thread and actually had no intention of doing so as frankly it looked bloody boring and, just like the person it's named after, until I stumbled on this.

Firstly you accuse me of being right wing, despite me not having posted anything, secondly you use a homophobic insult in the same sentence your accusing someone else of being right wing in? The irony.

That alone shows how stupid you are without needing the rest of us to show you up, but seeing as you have started this i'd like to kindly point out that I and indeed most people are far to complicated to simply be slotted into 'left/right' labels and secondly whilst being more then comfortable in my own skin around male company I am certainly not a faggot either, I like tits far to much.

/worship the boobies.

*Disclaimer* That is not to say there is anything wrong with being a faggot either, *end disclaimer*

 

[Raven]

I don't know if he even knows the meaning of right and left wing. Politically he is very naive.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Interesting to see this thread started with a completely wrong assumption and just went downhill from there

 

[Jeros]

As soon as the major job cuts hit and the VAT rises (predicted at up to 20% VAT) the populace will turn on the Tories in a heartbeat.

Labour will come in after and undo the "damage" and thus eliminate the savings made.

/thread

 

[cHodAX]

Interesting to see this thread started with a completely wrong assumption and just went downhill from there

Personally I thought I had salvaged it there for a while.

 

[tierk]

Regardless of the party in power, tough times are ahead for one and all and i expect massive cuts to social services over the coming years, it is inevitable.

As much as i hate the idea, democracy is at work and fair play to the Tories. They have the keys to power now all that remains is to see how they use it and where they take the country.

I think the best solution would ahve been to have a proper coalition with all 3 parties forming a government but i know this would have been almost impossible with the massive differences between the two main parties.

 

[Lamp]

Cameron's been in office 1? 2 days? Give him a chance.

Its not like you've got any choice is it.

 

[Aoami]

This all looks fairly good on paper, and I can understand why both parties are happy, but I just can't see anything happening other than the arse falling out of it.

I can't help but think that Cameron will try and force as many of the Lib Dem office holders out as soon as possible to make way for a full tory government, i just don't trust the slimy little ****.

 

[tierk]

This all looks fairly good on paper, and I can understand why both parties are happy, but I just can't see anything happening other than the arse falling out of it.

I can't help but think that Cameron will try and force as many of the Lib Dem office holders out as soon as possible to make way for a full tory government, i just don't trust the slimy little ****.

I just cant understand how the two parties have managed to get together what with all the massive differences on policies and stances on a whole range of issues. I just cant help feeling like it will not last long at all and if it does i cant see the Tories accepting to swallow anything major from the LibDems.

Time will tell.

 

[Wij]

i cant see the Tories accepting to swallow anything major from the LibDems.

*snortle*

 

[ECA]

lib dems sold out to get a foot in the door

nice one clegg, wont be seeing that party much any more then, you spit in the face of your supporters, you get whats coming to you

Are you eff retarded?

As a lib dem or labour voter would you rather have had a pure conservative government w/ their full policies or some of the sillier policies from both parties gone and more of the lib dem sensible stuff in the policy instead?


Let me guess, another bitter person told by their parents how terrible and evil the tories are without knowing the historical facts.

FYI I voted lib dem so don't give me shit because you think I voted tory - I'm just calling you out for being a stupid cnut. ( probably ).

 

[tierk]

Are you eff retarded?

You cannot in all honesty believe that the two parties have anything in common (Lib's and Con's)? Nothing in common on Euorpe, economy, immigration, tax, electoral reform, foriegn policy, defence policy.

I think it is pretty clear which party will be giving and which party will be taking. As a Lib voter can you seriously tell me that you thought for one minute you would see your leader in bed with dc and the Tories? Thought not. It was all brought on by the bullshit headlines from the the newspapers - which are mostly right wing - this despite 64% of the nation voting for parties that are considered left of centre.

Anyway the dye is caste lets see where it leads to, though as i said earlier cant see this lasting in the long run unless someone agrees to take it in the ass and you know it wont be the Tories.

 

[ECA]

Before commenting on that - can you confirm/deny that you're a brainwashed tory hater?

A lot of lib dem policies push for a smaller government - that view is shared by the conservatives.

Smaller government+fiscal responsibility are two things I want and I feel like both parties would move in that direction.

Labour unfortunately in a growing economy kept increasing the size of the public sector to prop up union support rather than having any sense of integrity or ethics, forcing the cuts any government would have to make now be larger than they would have been had we had a responsible government the past 13 years. ( and historically speaking they did the same in their term before Maggie ).

That's not particularly pro/anti any party - just the labour party of the last 13 years.

Unfortunately I'm not blinded by some stupid brainwashing and lack of understanding of historical economic fact and can interpret this stuff somewhat rationally - unfortunately I don't think many labour voters can say the same.

 

[tierk]

Before commenting on that - can you confirm/deny that you're a brainwashed tory hater?

LOL Tory hater, i don't think i hate any party, but i certianly disagree with a lot of what they pitched at the elections and a lot of what they represent.

A lot of lib dem policies push for a smaller government - that view is shared by the conservatives.

Smaller government+fiscal responsibility are two things I want and I feel like both parties would move in that direction.

Sorry but it seems that you as a person that voted Libdem does not actually know what you voted for.

1. Consititutional Reform + Electoral Reform

2. Higher Taxes for Public Services

3. Pro European

4. Multilatral Foreign Policy

Just the 4 mentioned above are clearly diametercially opposite to the Conservatives.

Regarding fiscal responsibility, it should have been abundanly clear by the manner of the Labour Parties 13 years in power, that the people - electorate - clearly wanted better public services, hence the thre Labour wins since 1997. However, it has been pointed out on this forum and elsewhere, they are not prepared to pay for it - higher taxes.

Labour unfortunately in a growing economy kept increasing the size of the public sector to prop up union support rather than having any sense of integrity or ethics, forcing the cuts any government would have to make now be larger than they would have been had we had a responsible government the past 13 years. ( and historically speaking they did the same in their term before Maggie ).

Sorry but Public Services were not expanded to prop up union support. They were elected on those policies and yes they kept those promises made at the elections to improve the public services of the country.

Incase you dont remember or choose to forget, we had 18 month waiting lists on the NHS when they arrived on the scene. Our education system was almost flushed down the toilet.

We have had sustained growth, as a result of policies implemented by Labour, yes Labour and not Conservatives - as some on this forum like to think. Low inflation and good growth, something no Conservative government has ever manged to do.

In addition we have great public services - compared to before, lower crime rates - better then anything the party of law and order have ever mananged - and yet still people are writing off everything Labour has done.

Unfortunately I'm not blinded by some stupid brainwashing and lack of understanding of historical economic fact and can interpret this stuff somewhat rationally - unfortunately I don't think many labour voters can say the same.

LOL OOooooooooo k then!!

 

[ECA]

LOL Tory hater, i don't think i hate any party, but i certianly disagree with a lot of what they pitched at the elections and a lot of what they represent.

Ah yes you are one of those brainwashed delusional fools as your reply indicates.

Sorry but it seems that you as a person that voted Libdem does not actually know what you voted for.

1. Consititutional Reform + Electoral Reform

2. Higher Taxes for Public Services

3. Pro European

4. Multilatral Foreign Policy

Just the 4 mentioned above are clearly diametercially opposite to the Conservatives.

I'm well aware of the contents of the manifesto from the party I voted for thanks though.

Regarding fiscal responsibility, it should have been abundanly clear by the manner of the Labour Parties 13 years in power, that the people - electorate - clearly wanted better public services, hence the thre Labour wins since 1997. However, it has been pointed out on this forum and elsewhere, they are not prepared to pay for it - higher taxes.

Labour got a lower share of the vote in 2005 than the conservatives got in 2010 and yet you're saying people clearly wanted them? Maybe you'd like to look at historical records and see just how rigged the FPTP system is in labours favour before claiming that the election results are representative of the will of the people.

Sorry but Public Services were not expanded to prop up union support. They were elected on those policies and yes they kept those promises made at the elections to improve the public services of the country.

Sorry just threw up in my mouth a little.
They kept their promise on no fees for universities?

They sure did a great job expanding the national rail service...ohwaiiiiit......

Incase you dont remember or choose to forget, we had 18 month waiting lists on the NHS when they arrived on the scene. Our education system was almost flushed down the toilet.

NHS spending has increased substantially with little real gain, education spending has doubled under labour with no improvement in results - say what you want about the NHS spending and the mass amount of scamming of the statistics they take - but their education policies are clearly terrible.
Increased spending for a decrease in literacy and no change in maths! vote labour !

We have had sustained growth, as a result of policies implemented by Labour, yes Labour and not Conservatives - as some on this forum like to think. Low inflation and good growth, something no Conservative government has ever manged to do.

Economies take years to turn - the growth record Gordon Brown used to love to claim of xxxmonths of growth actually started under the Conservative government of John Major and basically labour did nothing significantly different from that administration on the economy - they did fuck it up by increasing spending and while the GDP and the economy was growing - whether you want to give credit to any party - labour borrowed money and put us in debt.

As you state - the economy grew consistently between 1997-2007 - no disagreements?

So why in 2007 were we in debt to the tune of £34 billion - when they came to power they inherited a surplus and no debt. The awesome economic prowess of the Tin plated chancellor and their stupid spending policies that's why.

In addition we have great public services - compared to before, lower crime rates - better then anything the party of law and order have ever mananged - and yet still people are writing off everything Labour has done.

Crime rates tend to fall in good economic times - so quite how you link a proven statistical fact with a political party is quite insane and intellectually shallow.

 

[Raven]

The mines, the mines. Wont somebody think of the mines

 

[Ch3tan]

tierk, how much time do you actually spend in England each year? Claiming we have good public services, or that the NHS has improved or that education has improved is a joke. The reality is very different from your pie in the sky belief.

 

[Zenith.UK]

- this despite 64% of the nation voting for parties that are considered left of centre.

Actually it's 41.664% of the UK.

65.1% turnout * 64% non-Conservative = 41.664%
65.1% * 36% Conservative = 23.436%

So not quite quarter of the eligible population boted Conservative.
Just over 4 out of 10 people voted for someone else.
7 out of 20 didn't bother at all.

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[Jeros]

ECA i suggest you go to some of the areas that were once thriving mining or industry based areas and talk to the people, famines were destroyed.

And the idea that the Tories are going to save money by making people unemployed is frankly lunacy.

 

[Ch3tan]

ECA i suggest you go to some of the areas that were once thriving mining or industry based areas and talk to the people, famines were destroyed.

And the idea that the Tories are going to save money by making people unemployed is frankly lunacy.

Don't worry, England will hopefully be free of your crazy devolved parliaments influence soon. And you can go back to SNP vs Labour, socialists only club. Let's see how long it is before Scotland goes bankrupt without England propping it up?

As for saving money by making people unemployed, way to go with believing the Labour spin machine. Making public sector more efficient and less wasteful does not = job cuts, it can involve job cuts, but it is not only job cuts as every scaremongering campaign would have you believe.

Also, the majority of England did vote for a Tory government, so that would involve a lot of those areas where industry was decimated in the 80's. No one has denied that lots of families suffered during the 80's, however the blinkered view that the UK could have continued it's industries without massive government subsidies is ludicrous and blinkered.