Bye :)

[rawr]

Ultimately the game is about 3 realms fighting. If people keep that in mind, they are unlikely to find themselves in trouble.

I hope GOA can see how ironic this statement is, seeing as this is exactly why TT are doing what they are doing. How exactly is protecting the server population from diminishing before its time wrong? I'd say that it was more in the interest of the 'SoTG' in the long run, rather than AC raids (that you personally disagree with) which are pushing people away, forcing even more to follow.

 

[Everz]

daoc is sinking faster then the titanic ;[

 

[charmangle]

No i wasnt on the AC raid i aint been on a AC since pre TOA.

as for this quote from you "Paying them to bully me around and generally be able to treat me like crap based on others opinions like yours"

Does that mean i should conform to you opnion and not have one of my own?
Every1 is entitled to there own opinion if u dont like it dont listen. as for GOA when u enter th game everytime u agree to the COC.. sure the gms and GOA as a company may fuck up and get things wrong from time to time. but i agree to there terms everyday.so if dont like it dont play.

just outta curiosity.. how are the bullying you? 1plat a day and a bag of crisps at dinner hour? or they will Mezz you?

(First off, I misstook you for Muy!

So sorry for that, and I meant that towards his posts/report towards the action taken by TT not the AC!

You are allowed to think what ever you want about the actions taken, but what i was reffering to is GoA using the SotG argument for bans. That can be used on basically every action you or me have ever taken in the game. Meaning that their use of it in this instance, bullies people around since it is a statuered example...(otherwise they would have banned the entire group of TT claiming the keep for the same conspiracy though).

And since I have put in 3.5 years into the game, and a considerable amount of heavy dudy cash, my chars/accounts are of a great deal of value to me. So I feel bullied by GoA and anyone who can now report anyone for anything and get them banned since it can always be seen as against the SotG after this precedence!

/Charmangle

 

[Haggus]

So are you saying you got banned for doing what you can do ingame ? Your the GM, Your in control of the keep which has a relic in it and just chose not to upgrade it so you can get some action in RvR ?

what a load of bs tbh.

Sorry you got banned man thats harsh. and I respect you for doing what you did ! I think it was well worth it

 

[Darzil]

it seems the vast majoirty of the server want relic wars to be an intergral part of the end game of daoc. a certain guild (right or wrong) undermine the end game for the whole server and the majority of their own realm too.

If that's true, why is there so little keep/relic taking, and so much bridge camping and roaming fg vs fg ? It's very rare to see frontier battlegroups, which you'd expect to be common if everyone wanted relic wars.

I'd PvE far less if there was interesting stuff in the frontier primetime.

Darzil

 

[Rushie]

Not everything revolves about your FG fights or the possibility to have them. You need to break from this game to think about it and GoA gave it to you for free, you should be thankful .

ppl keep going back to this but although fg is the rvr that we choose to be most active in does not mean we dont do other forms of rvr and see the game from a different perspective while doing so.

 

[Everz]

ppl keep going back to this but although fg is the rvr that we choose to be most active in does not mean we dont do other forms of rvr and see the game from a different perspective while doing so.

aye that is true, been run over with rushie in a zerg many times ;p

 

[Eleasias]

daoc is sinking faster then the titanic ;[

not daoc, cluster ;/

daoc is just sinking a bit slower

 

[charmangle]

To all the lemmings insulting GoA and Requiel, I know you would do a much better job on this. Not.

Well I didnt insult either of them, but I will still answere this. Yes in this instance I know I would have done a much better job. Ive been working as a public relations executive for a long time, and this is now how you handle these things.

Somewhere along the line, it seems that the english team missread the situation. They must have figured that this was a much smaller issue, and based their decition on a small contingent of complaints. Failing to see the much larger ramifications of their actions. That banning someone for something that isnt clear that it is against the CoC, is very very bad for the collective sentiments of the customer base.

You just dont do that to your customers. One of your main responsabilities is to keep the customer base pleased with the product and the custumer service they recieve. In this case they failed to do both, so yes I would have handled this particular instance alot better.

/Charmangle

 

[Everz]

not daoc, cluster ;/

daoc is just sinking a bit slower

aye true, the ice berg is still along way away xD

 

[Gazon]

When are people gonna see that AC raiding is not the cause of the exodus?
It's not because a Hib player SAYS he's quitting because of AC raids, it must be true.

Here's how it goes:

Cluster pop has been declining for months now. Especially the fg scene is suffering. People leave because they are bored with the game, have other obligations or are trying a different server.

More and more people are thinking about moving because of this low pop. They feel frustrated it has finally come to this and they feel a little guilty they will have to let their friends down when they move off or quit.

And now some of them don't want to admit they feel a little guilty about quitting or don't want to admit they are powerless to stop the decline of the game they love.
So they look for a reason, a scapegoat, somebody who is already frustrating them in game:
"Zerging Adding Noob Alarmclocking Albs!!!! How dare you destroy my game!"

Open your eyes guys.

 

[Everz]

When are people gonna see that AC raiding is not the cause of the exodus?
It's not because a Hib player SAYS he's quitting because of AC raids, it must be true.

Here's how it goes:

Cluster pop has been declining for months now. Especially the fg scene is suffering. People leave because they are bored with the game, have other obligations or are trying a different server.

More and more people are thinking about moving because of this low pop. They feel frustrated it has finally come to this and they feel a little guilty they will have to let their friends down when they move off or quit.

And now some of them don't want to admit they feel a little guilty about quitting or don't want to admit they are powerless to stop the decline of the game they love.
So they look for a reason, a scapegoat, somebody who is already frustrating them in game:
"Zerging Adding Noob Alarmclocking Albs!!!! How dare you destroy my game!"

Open your eyes guys.

but you seem oblivious to realise it is your fault, you killed the cluster, thats what doesnt seem to sink into your tiny microscopic brain is that.

 

[Ceraniel]

Well I didnt insult either of them, but I will still answere this. Yes in this instance I know I would have done a much better job. Ive been working as a public relations executive for a long time, and this is now how you handle these things.

Somewhere along the line, it seems that the english team missread the situation. They must have figured that this was a much smaller issue, and based their decition on a small contingent of complaints. Failing to see the much larger ramifications of their actions. That banning someone for something that isnt clear that it is against the CoC, is very very bad for the collective sentiments of the customer base.

You just dont do that to your customers. One of your main responsabilities is to keep the customer base pleased with the product and the custumer service they recieve. In this case they failed to do both, so yes I would have handled this particular instance alot better.

/Charmangle

As stated in another post I wrote my mastersdegree on this so yes Charmangle, i do believe you would have handled it better. You seem to have gotten the basic principles.


As for Gazon: There are numerous reasons for leaving, and yes i do feel a little guilty for leaving all my friends behind. But i have never made a scapegoat of anyone, i have just accepted the fact that this game has no room anymore in my life. Not blaiming anyone

 

[daoc_xianghua]

Regarding the application of the spirit of the game clause in other situations. I've seen people compare this to the 'adding' issue. The same rules apply. You are not obliged to attack an enemy or defend a friend. You are not however allowed to actively assist an enemy against your own realm. By design the game gives you very few ways in which it's possible to do this, marking friendly stealthers for an enemy is pretty much as far as it goes under normal circumstances. The issue of releasing keeps for iRvR is a grey area which we look into on a case by case basis (and yes, people have got into trouble for that in the past when it was clear that they were crossrealming), however that does not have the same impact that offering a relic on a plate to the enemy does.

in other words when i´m fighting a well known gg that deserves respect for playing fair 8v8 and some retarded noobish fucktard roleplayers in my realm decide to add on this clean 8v8 and i pull back cuz i dont like them destroying a fun fight and then the enemy gg kills them cuz my group pulled back we can get banned cuz we supported the enemy?

honestly if thats the case GOA maybe should leave the MMORPG´s to companys that got a fuckin clue about wtf they doing and host CS servers instead......

 

[Vladamir]

Lol, how retarded are people getting now

Get a fucking grip, it's a game.

Omgzzz i don't havf teh relic. Go outside you geeks

 

[Gahn]

When are people gonna see that AC raiding is not the cause of the exodus?
It's not because a Hib player SAYS he's quitting because of AC raids, it must be true.

Here's how it goes:

Cluster pop has been declining for months now. Especially the fg scene is suffering. People leave because they are bored with the game, have other obligations or are trying a different server.

More and more people are thinking about moving because of this low pop. They feel frustrated it has finally come to this and they feel a little guilty they will have to let their friends down when they move off or quit.

And now some of them don't want to admit they feel a little guilty about quitting or don't want to admit they are powerless to stop the decline of the game they love.
So they look for a reason, a scapegoat, somebody who is already frustrating them in game:
"Zerging Adding Noob Alarmclocking Albs!!!! How dare you destroy my game!"

Open your eyes guys.

Gazon i'm starting to think u work for Goa, or at least the Conspiracy Theory infected your brain also :/

 

[daoc_xianghua]

:worthy:

I can only agree with requiel tbh.

i bet he pays your subs

 

[Alan]

in other words when i´m fighting a well known gg that deserves respect for playing fair 8v8 and some retarded noobish fucktard roleplayers in my realm decide to add on this clean 8v8 and i pull back cuz i dont like them destroying a fun fight and then the enemy gg kills them cuz my group pulled back we can get banned cuz we supported the enemy?

honestly if thats the case GOA maybe should leave the MMORPG´s to companys that got a fuckin clue about wtf they doing and host CS servers instead......

Maybe you should be playing CS if you want an 8v8 (or similar) style game.

After playing on the USA servers for a few weeks its clear this whole 8v8, "dont add" is a euro/uk thing only. Im really enjoying just jumping on in and thwacking the red names.

 

[Gazon]

but you seem oblivious to realise it is your fault, you killed the cluster, thats what doesnt seem to sink into your tiny microscopic brain is that.

Yeah it's my fault meight. Sorry I changed the game that we have been playing for years in some way that suddenly you want to quit.

 

[Cromcruaich]

was wondering how long it would take before teh noob would reply to the thread although i do agree with one thing he said... cancelling subs really wont bother goa since they still have plenty of french/german servers shoot me please i agreed with horner

Aye, absolutely, but it does affect the cluster community managers and gm's.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

Maybe you should be playing CS if you want an 8v8 (or similar) style game.

After playing on the USA servers for a few weeks its clear this whole 8v8, "dont add" is a euro/uk thing only. Im really enjoying just jumping on in and thwacking the red names.

sad to hear that only english cluster players look for a challenge.
i wonder how this game can be fun for 5 years for some ppl when all they do is random zerg/add everything 24/7. it can be fun for a year maybe 2, hell for some ppl that didnt manage to kill anything on their own in those 2 years its maybe fun for another year but at some point it must become very boring..

oh and on a sidenote: about me should be playing CS, been there, done that for 4 years before daoc was even released, thanks

 

[Everz]

Yeah it's my fault meight. Sorry I changed the game that we have been playing for years in some way that suddenly you want to quit.

i quit months back after you guild ruined any decent chance of a keep fight/defense with your tactic of 'leave it till the mornin' and take it back then'

 

[Everz]

sad to hear that only english cluster players look for a challenge.
i wonder how this game can be fun for 5 years for some ppl when all they do is random zerg/add everything 24/7. it can be fun for a year maybe 2, hell for some ppl that didnt manage to kill anything on their own in those 2 years its maybe fun for another year but at some point it must become very boring..

givf back i50, was ace for 1v1/8v8 etc ;p

 

[liloe]

This is absolutely outrageous. I'm gonna right now that action, its the only way I can make my feelings know. Infact im sorely tempted to just cancel my accounts and have done with the whole thing.

You are damn right about this.

 

[Ceraniel]

kk my last post on this topic.

When GOA say that it`s illegal to not upgrade a keep cause it is sabotage against their own realm. And that it`s a 3 way war..........


Please show me 1 battle throughout history where there hasn`t been arguments about what tactics would be best suited to win the war or to be able to keep the realms interest. And a battle where there hasn`t been resistances inside the realm. As of now DAOC hasn`t got a commander in charge, and different opinions should be appreciated

 

[daoc_xianghua]

givf back i50, was ace for 1v1/8v8 etc ;p

huh? dunno which i50 you played but the one where i played was zerged by italians/french/germans 24/7

 

[Everz]

huh? dunno which i50 you played but the one where i played was zerged by italians/french/germans 24/7

hmm around early OF time(on server), used to be nice for 8v8 and 1v1..

 

[daoc_xianghua]

hmm around early OF time(on server), used to be nice for 8v8 and 1v1..

ic
was prolly different back then, i played there in september 2006 for barely 3 weeks so cant say anything about what was before.

 

[BloodOmen]

i wonder how this game can be fun for 5 years for some ppl when all they do is random zerg/add everything 24/7.

how else do you think 90% of albs got high rr on excal and pryd

 

[Darzil]

how else do you think 90% of albs got high rr on excal and pryd

Same way the other realms did ? Fighting similar zergs in other realms, whilst all were lower rr than they are now ?

rps/hour are way lower in zerg rvr than in 8 vs 8 or contested siege situations, because the zerg is less willing to commit itself, so doesn't die as frequently, thus less rps. Best rp I've ever had was running in 8 vs 8 groups. Second best was defending a keep against a Hib BG that was running through a hole in the wall into my storms and spells.

Darzil