Bye :)

[Everz]

ic
was prolly different back then, i played there in september 2006 for barely 3 weeks so cant say anything about what was before.

well different, was before they ruined it with double rp and free rr3

 

[wittor]

After playing on the USA servers for a few weeks its clear this whole 8v8, "dont add" is a euro/uk thing only. Im really enjoying just jumping on in and thwacking the red names.

B u l l s h i t

Its the same like it was on UK cluster, 8 man groups exists over there aswell and they are in Agramon. Yes there are sometimes adders in Agramon on US but the majority of the 8 man groups don't add.

 

[MaCaBr3]

LOL @ The drama.

"whooo, i'm gonna change servers or quick the game this is unacceptablen the servers are gonna die!"

Truth is, that many of the FH users think they are all that when I'm pretty sure it's like 20% of the total players on the english server who are actually on FH. From which 5% is like the core on FH because you always see the same posters in every single RVR thread. If that little percentage is gonna quit, yeah the server will die OMFG!111 NOT.

I do understand the GOA's point of view after reading Requil's post, but the problem is that this will have a tail because GOA will get spammed with shitloads of useless rightnow's about "the spirit of the game" rule.

I personally think getting banned for this or any other reason which DOESNT involve cheating, hacking or bug abusing is simply stupid. But then again the rules in a MMORPG are allot wider because of the "spirit and some weird kind of humanity" which involves playing MMORPG that i'll never understand.

My point is that, the knife cuts on both sides and this surely will have long tail which gonna be stepped on a allot of times.

I have no id what I've just said, but it sounded cool.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

how else do you think 90% of albs got high rr on excal and pryd

well hey even albs had some honorable GG´s

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Basic_X]

cya man, shame goa are all for shooting themselves in the foot

note, at least you can get DAOC up to catacombs for absolutely free in the US

you do? i just got up to toa ;< gif info!




oh and Sollers, manny may think you and your guild are idiots, twats, whatsoever. speaking as a "general" EU player (playing several realms, cant realy say im a hibbie,albie or middie. im all ^^) i think what you did was right.
so what? even if you downgraded your keep to make it easier for enemies to RETAKE their own relic. you didnt do annything bad. seeing it from a general point of view...hibs will have large problems to take it back primetime and will have to AC it or with the more common "hibguard". and that again will ofc create more frustration and more whine.
why cant people just lay off the relics. and IF they were to take it. do it primetime, AC raids has never been positive for the game...ever. and it will never be.

/Respect Sollers and TT.

 

[wittor]

Btw about the ban thing..
The people who reported you are probably laughing with you guy's now but I bet that TT have made a nice collection of screenshots were they are getting alot of flames or emotes ingame over the last few days by exactly those people who reported you.

I suggest that you RightNow them so they can stop laughing and cry a bit when they receive a nice suspension for harrasment and using terrorist related names ingame towards fellow realm players.

 

[rawr]

To all the people insulting Gazon (Gahn especially, you should know better); stop being so naive please, he runs FG in Agramon a lot and respects solo fights etc when running in FGs with me. Just because his opinion differs from you does not mean he is against you; I understand the points that he is trying to make and I have personally had a long discussion with him on all of this, in the end we merely had a difference of opinions on a couple of key points. If you listen to what he is trying to say he has some very valid points; to point one out - is cluster dying because of the AC raids, or are they merely a scapegoat for an already dropping population? This was one of the points we disagreed on, as I personally feel the constant AC raiding and siege is having a larger effect on the community than many are willing to admit, imo.

 

[BlackrazoR]

This is fucking disgusting. TT will be missed sorely and now IMO cluster is officially dead.

 

[Gahn]

To all the people insulting Gazon (Gahn especially, you should know better); stop being so naive please, he runs FG in Agramon a lot and respects solo fights etc when running in FGs with me. Just because his opinion differs from you does not mean he is against you; I understand the points that he is trying to make and I have personally had a long discussion with him on all of this, in the end we merely had a difference of opinions on a couple of key points. If you listen to what he is trying to say he has some very valid points; to point one out - is cluster dying because of the AC raids, or are they merely a scapegoat for an already dropping population? This was one of the points we disagreed on, as I personally feel the constant AC raiding and siege is having a larger effect on the community than many are willing to admit, imo.

It has nothing to do with him running FGs or zerging soloers, he's trying to twist what we are writing for fit it in his Conspiracy Campaign. Sry but i don't tolerate that, we can have a discussion on different views but no1 has the right to manipulate what i write or even worse make a trial against intentions.

 

[liloe]

Fuck me I just wrote a huge post in my edit and then I got the timer shit.

I'll sum it up in a few words:

-All people who reported Sollers are fucking pricks and I mean it, I really mean it and I'm not sorry for saying it. I'm not usually like this, but this just makes me mad

-What comes next: Ban me for not buffing realmmates? Ban me for not helping realmmates who die in a 1on1?

-All those who're yelling that the 8v8 people don't respect their way of zerging. Ever thought that respect works in two ways? From what I read here, TT is like the NFD of Albion. Nice people who still like to 8v8 and don't whine on people for doing other stuff.

-Nobody forced the RR-leader to deposit the relic in a keep owned by TT, it was his choice to do so and therefore TT can do with their keep as they wish

-This "Spirit of the Game" argument is bullshit. It's nowhere stated what that Spirit really is, so it could be anything and GOA can arbitrary ban people for it. What if I get 40+ people on FH that post that camping bridges or AC'ing relics is against the Spirit....will GOA ban these people then cause players want it?

-Is DAoC turning into a democracy where we can vote which player to ban next by collecting voices on FH and mass-reporting to FH?

-Alan: I know you're a really nice guy, but what you say there is just repeating an argument older than Christmas. Also it's not right what you say, there are 8v8 people on US servers aswell =)

-What if TT let the keep on level 1 to make more hibs/mids come to try and take it and thus enforce realm action? GOA is judging what's inside our minds now?

Oh and one thing I want to add. Muylaetrix, I thought you were a rather intelligent person some time ago, but what you're writing is just absolute bullshit. You're acting like a social worker or spokesperson for GOA

Asha, did you release the keep knowing that sollers only wanted to take over renaris to put it to level 1 in order for the relic to be retaken easely ?

IF you didn't, this ban is indeed unjustified and sollers deserves an even worse punishment for dragging you allong with him in his downfall. in this case i am more than willing to talk with GOA on your behalf over undoing your ban.

If you knew, soz, you pay the price now for conspiracy against your own realm and the spirit of the game.

I mean what the hell? You're talking like if you were the ultimate judge while you're just spreading some moronic stuff that Tony Blair could've said to G. Bush to crawl deeper into his ass. If you're thinking about going into politics then do it, you're quite good at expressing an opportunistic point of view.

See, I don't give a flying fuck how people play this game as long as there is mutual respect.

Tbh we should contact mythic/EA about GOA's way of doing cause there is NO way i'm gonna play euro servers of WAR. Mythic interacts with its community to prevent these things from happening. GOA's GM's are acting from a distance. I'd pay extra just to have mythic itself to control european servers.

I agree with that. It's unbelievable that GOA doesn't follow the same rules as Mythic in the US.

I really think everybody who thinks this was unfair should RightNow to GOA and in addition send a mail to Mythic, best in the "Customer Service" and the "Questions to Sanya" department so they see how serious it is.

 

[rawr]

It has nothing to do with him running FGs or zerging soloers, he's trying to twist what we are writing for fit it in his Conspiracy Campaign. Sry but i don't tolerate that, we can have a discussion on different views but no1 has the right to manipulate what i write or even worse make a trial against intentions.

He isn't twisting it into a conspiracy, he disagrees on this point and is trying to make you see another side to the argument, can you appreciate what he is trying to say? Calling him a 'useless zerger' because he disagrees with you is unjust and does not serve any purpose

 

[Darzil]

-Nobody forced the RR-leader to deposit the relic in a keep owned by TT, it was his choice to do so and therefore TT can do with their keep as they wish

I believe, from what's been written here that the keep was deposited in a keep not owned by TT, then it was transferred to TT at a high level, with the relic inside it, and then set to level 1.

I wasn't there, though, so am only getting it second hand from this board, which is hardly a guarantee of accuracy.

Darzil

 

[Gahn]

He isn't twisting it into a conspiracy, he disagrees on this point and is trying to make you see another side to the argument, can you appreciate what he is trying to say? Calling him a 'useless zerger' because he disagrees with you is unjust and does not serve any purpose

Well how do u call the practice of ignoring what people are writing charging like a one eye bull repeating ad nauseam : "They already decided to leave, they covering their flight with excuses".
I call it twisting my words.

 

[Lisaliten]

Cya all in WAR, at Mythic servers !

 

[Moriaana]

OK... lets imagine that the last couple of days haven't happened. TT made the keep level 10 and nobody got banned.

Hibs decide they want their Relics from Alb. Since there is no defence, The go a bit further and nick the Alb str relic. Mids, seeing hibs pilfering relics, take a few keeps and nick the power relic. Albs wake up and log on...WTF?1 no relics....

Now.... who was it who ruined the game for the albs who have no relics? The mids and hibs who did the AC raids, or the muppet who nicked the relics from the hibs (ruining the game for a lot of hibs) in the first place?

Who, if anyone would get banned? Pretty sure (I hope) that it wouldnt be the Hibs and Mids.

Now I KNOW this isnt likely to happen, since :

1) A certain alb guild never seem to log and theres always gonna be albs to defend

2) There isn't enough hibs to do an AC raid, let alone a primetime one

but the point is this:

Where do you draw the line?

US Servers are looking more and more tempting.... Never thought I would say that but... well, the event of the last few days are pretty shocking.
And, as so many poeple have pointed out, DAoC is a game. IMO the definition of a game is something you do for fun to pass the time. It certainly isn't fun logging on seeing no relics and having absolutely no chance of getting them back again short of Divine Intervention.

Just a shame I renewed my subs at the weekend
GoGo PvE!!!

 

[Gazon]

Well how do u call the practice of ignoring what people are writing charging like a one eye bull repeating ad nauseam : "They already decided to leave, they covering their flight with excuses".
I call it twisting my words.

I believe it's possible for somebody to genuinly believe they are doing something for reason A while there are also other reasons B, C and D they don't like to admit to themselves even.

It's not lying, it's not a conspiracy. It's human.

 

[stellaartois]

I stand by my point i don't agree with u downgrading that keep but I also don't want u to get banned over this by goa or for any raids
I think its a greater offcence what hibs did

 

[Brackus]

Even though people have strongly advised against me posting the following, I'm doing it anyway as I could not care less about the people that will /point and laugh, but do wish to inform the more serious part of the community of how these things are solved by the people in charge of this game. For me this email, and all of the negative reactions of the albs whose eyes we wanted to open, is the confirmation that things sadly will not improve on this cluster. As a result, I will sadly too quit this server.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello,

We have investigated an incident of griefplay and found your account to be involved. The specifics are:

Character: Sollers
Account: ******
Date: 29/11/2006
Details of the offence: Acting in a manner which is clearly against the spirit of the game and against the interests of your realm. We consider this to be grief play. Specifically conspiring to downgrade a keep containing a relic to expedeite a retake by an enemy realm.
Consequences for the account: Suspended 5 days.

What TT did was nothing worse than what albs do for doing an AC surely, AC'ing is "grief play"

Once my subscriptions run out I will not be renewing. I will play FREESHARDS, FUCK GOA

 

[censi]

good, one less fucking useless adding lemon

 

[old.Whoodoo]

Cya m8, and tbh thanks for trying to do something to give rvr a little boost, shame GOA cant see this is the way things will have to be with no one playing.

What next, banning all ex glast players for not keeping enough bounty points going to claim towers and keeps after they abandoned the server?

 

[Bracken]

The arrogance is astonishing. The people who actually operate the server have now told you that what you did was against the spirit of the game and still you're trying to justify yourselves and claim some high moral ground.

The original ss that Muyl posted summed it all up with Daemyr's response. There was no moral crusade there, no explanation of trying to save the server and taking a stand against a problem in the community. All Muyl got was the usual arrogant, conceited, sneering response with no thought for anyone else . Justifying the attitude to themselves because these lesser peasants "add" on their fights, "hump bridges", "zerg", play like "skilless noobs" and are therefore not worthy of any "respect". And now that your actions have officially been classed as against the spirit of the game you're still refusing to grasp any of it.

So off you go to your new server. Hope you find all that you want there. I'm just waiting for when you start trying to change that server to fit into your own little view of the world - something along the lines of "Hey n00b stop speaking German - the community speaks English now!" would be in keeping with the general attitude.

 

[Matt]

The arrogance is astonishing. The people who actually operate the server have now told you that what you did was against the spirit of the game and still you're trying to justify yourselves and claim some high moral ground.

The original ss that Muyl posted summed it all up with Daemyr's response. There was no moral crusade there, no explanation of trying to save the server and taking a stand against a problem in the community. All Muyl got was the usual arrogant, conceited, sneering response with no thought for anyone else . Justifying the attitude to themselves because these lesser peasants "add" on their fights, "hump bridges", "zerg", play like "skilless noobs" and are therefore not worthy of any "respect". And now that your actions have officially been classed as against the spirit of the game you're still refusing to grasp any of it.

So off you go to your new server. Hope you find all that you want there. I'm just waiting for when you start trying to change that server to fit into your own little view of the world - something along the lines of "Hey n00b stop speaking German - the community speaks English now!" would be in keeping with the general attitude.

Hehe, only thing i can see is that you interpret Daemyr's original reaction as arrogant, the rest of your post is just plain silly.

 

[Bracken]

Hehe, only thing i can see is...

I wouldn't expect you to see any of it

Incidentally - do I think they should have been banned? Actually no. It was the attitude that concerned me far more than them actually dropping the keep. But I do think they could accept that GOA have stated it was against the spirit of the game and acknowledge they screwed up. Instead we get the continuing self-righteousness.

 

[Golena]

The original ss that Muyl posted summed it all up with Daemyr's response. There was no moral crusade there, no explanation of trying to save the server and taking a stand against a problem in the community. All Muyl got was the usual arrogant, conceited, sneering response with no thought for anyone else.

Ever thought that the response given to someone who has had a very vocal and different opinion to Daemyr for a long period of time may be somewhat different to the conversation that happened in /gu before the descision was taken.

 

[Sollac]

What TT did was nothing worse than what albs do for doing an AC surely, AC'ing is "grief play"

Once my subscriptions run out I will not be renewing. I will play FREESHARDS, FUCK GOA

shame subedai will be leave, but thank fook that wall spamming bainshee witll be gone

 

[Congax]

Funny shit here, seems like I quit right in time. Still plenty of space left in the off-topic forums, lads.

 

[Matt]

I wouldn't expect you to see any of it

Incidentally - do I think they should have been banned? Actually no. It was the attitude that concerned me far more than them actually dropping the keep. But I do think they could accept that GOA have stated it was against the spirit of the game and acknowledge they screwed up. Instead we get the continuing self-righteousness.

Well, between your generalising ranting and bias, i guess you could say you tried to make that point. I disagree though, i think it was a poor decision from GOA side on something as subjective and widely interpretable as 'spirit of the game'. They could use that part of the CoC for so many things, and they used it in a way that is least beneficial to the server.

 

[Bracken]

Ever thought that the response given to someone who has had a very vocal and different opinion to Daemyr for a long period of time may be somewhat different to the conversation that happened in /gu before the descision was taken.

Many people have very vocal and different opinions to me (not surprisingly ). But if someone makes a reasonable pm or point to me I'll respond in kind. Muyls pm (Muyl being someone I've disagreed with a number of times in the past) was perfectly reasonable and didn't warrant that response.

 

[Oboy]

hahahahaha

rofl @ GOA once again


this is why ppl really DONT want GOA to host Warhammer EU servers,Gm's acting like that is just..lol

fkn roleplayers

tbh im really concerned about WAR and GOA hosting consider the facts how much GOA has screwded up and most ppl that will play WAR dont know shit about it. Personally i will encourage friends and ppl i know to choose us servers and i hope the rest of the daoc/cluster community do the same.