Bye :)

[klasa]

why all the drama n whinging then if just a game?

Dude, I'm not a known whiner m'kay. Plus I'm not angry and just applied some simple reasoning.

Is the game fun anymore? No

Does GoA do a good job mananging a server compared to other mmorpgs? No

= quit

Plain simple but I might as well let GoA know why they just lost a subscriber or?

 

[QuickStix]

So lowering a keep in enemy territory ain't against SoTG (AoD incident not so long ago) but if suddenly there's a Relic involved it is? It seems to me u quite changed the rules, i'd say u DEFO changed em.

the difference is.. TT lowered level of keep and basically said "Hiya hibs have your relic back..we have lowered the keep lvl for that reason "TT admited they done is specifically for that reason" ... and not to save BPs etc if it was released/lowered in a non relic keep.

if u cant see the difference u really need to take your head out of your arse.

 

[Ceraniel]

Thanks Requiel and here is my good bye note. For those of you who know me ingame I played a BM called Riccio and a Hero called Rohwan. Was thinking about going to Avalon but decided that I will never again play on a server jandled by GoA. Thank you for making my descision a simple one Reqiel, and I think your job being a GM for an english server very simple in the future. You will have no one to take care of.

Totaly agreed, I shall be flagging out aswell. Good luck finding new jobs to the guys at GoA

 

[Koldbrann]

I give my full support to the TT and other that got banned for this. I feel the GOA actions are outrageous, and deserves a place in the "Hall of Shame"

They are clearly interfering with the free will we have in a MMORPG.

I'm writing a RightNever complaint now, and hope others will do the same. This cant go by without any formal notice to GOA.

The problem with GOA is that its based in France, and french people don't understand a complaint unless you deliver it in writing, with pictures of you raping their mother and setting fire to their children.

 

[charmangle]

Right. I am going to make one post and one post only on this topic.

I must say most respectfully that you, meaning the english team, has handled this extremly badly.

You can not withdraw a service that has been prepaid for, with these loosly based accusations. What you have done, is created a feeling in the community that you are randomly creating policies and banning people.

If you wanted to handle this in a good way, why didnt you just go inside the game, release the keep, set it to lvl 10 and make a broadcast that any guild that wanted to go there to claim it. Then post on the webpage that it IS against the CoC/SotG to purposly set a relic keep to lvl 1.

You can not ban people for something that is generally considered not a bannable offence...(Well you can but you WILL loose alot of customers that way)

It a sad and very very bad decition, and I am sorry, since you are dealing with a product I like, in a bad way.

/Charmangle

 

[Matt]

A post.

The thing is, the spirit of the game is a grey area, which means you can basically fill it in however you like it. But one would think the decision that would be made would be one that benefits the game the most, in some way an attempt to prolong the longevity of the game itself. Oddly enough, you guys made a decision that is exactly the opposite.


You say that holding a relickeep at lvl1 is sabotaging the realm, and handing the relic on a platter. How come after 4 days the relic is still in Albs' hands then? Let's say that it would be sabotaging your own realm, does 1 realm trump all 3 realms? Cause clearly it would be in best interest of the game to have more Hibs and Mids to fight, rather than to see their numbers diminish. Albion players there are plenty of, enemies to fight for them, not so many. So when you have this grey area, a rule that noone can check, because it's entirely up to GOA to fill it in as they see fit, you choose to declare that putting the keep is lvl 1 is AGAINST the spirit of the game? I would say it is IN spirit of the game, just partially not in spirit of the realm (Albion). It would benefit all of us to have more players in general online, not less (or only more Albs).


So when you have a rule that should be followed within the CoC, a rule that can be molded in alot of ways by your personal assessment of the situation, and you decide to say it's against the spirit of the game... And i haven't even mentioned the ban, 5 days for something which isn't clearly defined anywhere, but it's incorporated in the term 'Spirit of the game' that is solely up to the mood and opinion of the English GOA team? Please, it's absurd.


And on your last note, it's a game about 3 realms that are fighting, i think most ppl have realised that, but the ones failing to grasp it seems to be GOA. I am fairly sure you are not trying to reduce the numbers of players on the server, or tryign to make sure it's only Albs left, so i reckon it's a pretty poor decision on your part.

 

[QuickStix]

Cause there are some people who'd like to play it for more time before the lights turn off? Guess u ain't in that % tho.

so i have to goto bed when u do ? i play the game when i can in my spare time (normally early afternoon or late night... cos i tend to work 3pm-12am... so because its late..next time i finish work i wont login so i dont get flamed?

have you never been ingame 12am-5am im sure at one point in your daoc gameing you have been up that late (id actually bet u have MANY times)

so stop acting like you some sort of person who logs off at a decent time and then goes to sleep like a good lil schoolboy ready for school the next day.

p.s and just to clarify i aint been on a RR for years .. let alone a AC one.i Do think they are lame.. but.. end of the day you cant tell sum1 when they can or cant.. cos u dont pay there subs and the game is 24/7 doesnt and wont stop just because u goto bed.

 

[Brohanith]

What a bunch of crap. I'm sorry but that did it for me. I hope you albs have fun PvEing everything on sight, cus I'm not gonna bother with this server anymore. The attitude of people shown in game and here on the boards make that playing on the cluster has lost it's last bit of fun.

I'm curious, how does it feel Muy? You and your army of fucktards ruined the game for so many of us. And from what I have read, you seem to be a serial-whiner, gloating about the demise of a once big community.

Broha /qtd

 

[Alan]

This thread will NOT descend to one where obscenities hurled towards the GM's, GoA, or the French ! anyone doing so will be warned or banned. You can easily make your points known without descending to such levels.

 

[Aerendur]

I thought she answered it pretty well. and if u cant see the validty in what she told us then your a muppet.

what did u expect her to say ? you should know they cant go into detail rearding certain individual accounts.

But the reasons shet states as to why they was banned makes sense to me.. harsh.. possibly yes.. but still make a lot of sense.

It was stated clear enough, although they could have been a bit more informative. And yes, the banning might make sense in some ways. But that doesnt mean that those doing AC raids arent doing much worse than what TT has done (and maybe ashe, although I have yet to see proof that there was intention, all Ive read so far is guessing on that part of intentional harm).

The way I see it: TT is grieving some albion players by taking an action that 'CAN' result in them losing a relic gained in a manner that is grieving a whole lot more players. Namely anyone fighting against any albion player is grieved by more damage gained in a manner that is against the way many people would like it to happen.

So in the end, they have a point in banning TT, I see yet no direct evidence against ashe, but it might be there. But they also have a whole lot of reasons to ban those doing the AC raids, because they are also grieving many players. They might hide behind the fact that it is 'another' realm vs your own realm, but it is all of our gamefun that is being taken away, wether we are albs, hibs or mids..

 

[Cromcruaich]

I'm just going to clear up one point that I forgot to make in my earlier post.
There was never any 'ruling from us' that was later reversed. We were asked many times about this incident before we made our decision and at no point did we say that it was legitimate or that we would not take action. We did say that we would not interfere ingame (by for example moving the relic or releasing the keep to another guild) however we always stated when asked that we'd be looking into the wider issue of whether the CoC had been broken and would possibly take action accordingly.

And you are happy that you made the right decision, to ban 2 people without warning, contrary to what anyone could interpret from the CoC and past judgements?

Ahh we'll i'm getting to the point of past caring.

 

[censi]

and the efforts of those who had taken the relic.

its effort for a realm to take them in a proper siege, fighting through enemy defenses. its not effort to take them at 4 in the morning when no one is online.

it seems the vast majoirty of the server want relic wars to be an intergral part of the end game of daoc. a certain guild (right or wrong) undermine the end game for the whole server and the majority of their own realm too.

Another guild set a standard for the good of the game and get banned.

i disagree with you on this one req, but appreciate the statement.

 

[Koldbrann]

This thread will NOT descend to one where obscenities hurled towards the GM's, GoA, or the French ! anyone doing so will be warned or banned. You can easily make your points known without descending to such levels.

How can you not, when the GM's of GOA are pissing in our face!?

 

[Roken]

I guess the ML9 incedent was completely within the "Spirit of the game".

A victory for the "i'm going to tell on you" brigade.

If you're one of the people who RightNow'd the incedent or minced to a GM in game,
you better lookout because when you grow up there is no teacher or mum and dad
to fight your battles in the real world.

 

[QuickStix]

I must say most respectfully that you, meaning the english team, has handled this extremly badly.

You can not withdraw a service that has been prepaid for, with these loosly based accusations. What you have done, is created a feeling in the community that you are randomly creating policies and banning people.

If you wanted to handle this in a good way, why didnt you just go inside the game, release the keep, set it to lvl 10 and make a broadcast that any guild that wanted to go there to claim it. Then post on the webpage that it IS against the CoC/SotG to purposly set a relic keep to lvl 1.

You can not ban people for something that is generally considered not a bannable offence...(Well you can but you WILL loose alot of customers that way)

It a sad and very very bad decition, and I am sorry, since you are dealing with a product I like, in a bad way.

/Charmangle

they werent loosely based TT said themselves in this forum they lowered level for to be easy hibs take it back because they didnt agree in how albs took relic... and im sure GOA MIGHT have some chat logs of that being said ingame..

they wouldnt of took action just because a rightnow said "oi they cheating the realm" they would of investigated it summed it up and thentook action.

p.s lol @ all leaving.. see you in a cple weeks when u come back.. or when new Xpack is here and u return

 

[Lethul]

i you want to save BP, give the keep to another guild who CAN keep it.

GOA is clear : SABOTAGE against your OWN realm is a breach of CoC/SoTG and will not be tolerated. i can't believe people STILL defend that action.

Sollers fought the law and the law won. i can't believe he thought he was gone get away with it without some sort of reprecusion at the hands of GOA.

you are a grade a cock ingame! and even worse irl for sure

but dont be sad sollers, there are alot better games out there to enjoy!

 

[Ceraniel]

they werent loosely based TT said themselves in this forum they lowered level for to be easy hibs take it back because they didnt agree in how albs took relic... and im sure GOA MIGHT have some chat logs of that being said ingame..

they wouldnt of took action just because a rightnow said "oi they cheating the realm" they would of investigated it summed it up and thentook action.

p.s lol @ all leaving.. see you in a cple weeks when u come back.. or when new Xpack is here and u return

For the most of us this decision isnt based on this alone. Nomerous events for quite some time has build up and this is just the tip of the iceberg. Those who quit solely on this might return, but i fear many will never...

 

[Reza]

GoA are effectively telling us what is and isnt in our own and in our realms interest, like as individuals we cant decide for ourselves.

Its perfectly feasible that in a particular situation a guild feels it is not in their and their realm's interest in holding on to a particular relic.

For example:

Albs take an enemy relic in the early hours of the morning, and place it in Renaris.

The guild holding Renaris concludes that the hostility created among both enemy realms from conducting an early morning/late night raid, and the subsequent attention it is likely to attract in the way of both enemy realms concentrating their efforts on taking keeps/tower in albion outweighs the benifit of having the relic.

Rather, ther guild holding Renaris decide that it is in their and their realm's long term interest to encourage a quick and easy loss of the relic in Renaris, thus ensuring that they reduce risk of a protracted double team offensive by the enemy realms. Whereby all 3 relics held by albion come under threat and in the event of trying to defend all 3 they loose 2 or more (and we've seen this many times).

The guild holding Renaris also decides that it is in their and their realm's long term interest to proceed with a primetime relic raid once/if the relic in renaris has been lost. Thus hopeing that in the near term future they once again have an enemy relic in renaris, but this time one that has been obtained in a manner that is less likely to cause Albion as a realm a net negative outcome longterm.

End of example.


The tools are their in the game with which to make decisons (this includes raiding at any hour and includes lower keep lvls/releasing keeps). If de facto releasing or lowering the lvl of a keep holding a relic is against the spirit of the game, or griefing, or (my favourite) amounts to conspiracy then it should not be possible to do.

In short who the hell are GoA to tell others how to decide what is and isnt in their own and their realms interest.

 

[QuickStix]

It was stated clear enough, although they could have been a bit more informative. And yes, the banning might make sense in some ways. But that doesnt mean that those doing AC raids arent doing much worse than what TT has done (and maybe ashe, although I have yet to see proof that there was intention, all Ive read so far is guessing on that part of intentional harm).

The way I see it: TT is grieving some albion players by taking an action that 'CAN' result in them losing a relic gained in a manner that is grieving a whole lot more players. Namely anyone fighting against any albion player is grieved by more damage gained in a manner that is against the way many people would like it to happen.

So in the end, they have a point in banning TT, I see yet no direct evidence against ashe, but it might be there. But they also have a whole lot of reasons to ban those doing the AC raids, because they are also grieving many players. They might hide behind the fact that it is 'another' realm vs your own realm, but it is all of our gamefun that is being taken away, wether we are albs, hibs or mids..

i fail to see how grieving a AC relic is...so if what u saying is true.. then REGARDLESS of the time Relics taken its greiving people? Yes Ac is lame.. but the game is 24/7 only way it will EVER be stopped is to 100% stop relics being taken 12am-12pm which will never happen. Is all the FGs that pwn me CONSTANT when im solo grieving hence bannable? lol Yes its a grey area.. but end of day its a 24.7 game .

 

[Lethul]

Well this is a pile of crap. GOA make a totally subjective opinion and now set a new standard. I for one will be Right Nowing EVERYTHING I consider against the SoTG be it char names, methods of gaining xp , anyone adding, anyone not adding, anyone not healing, overcharging for items on ME..this list is endless. I expect alot more to be suspended if GOA are to act in a fair manner, I personally give the euro cluster 2 weeks max before it is inhabited by NPC's only.

On a side note, sad to see you are going Bram, one of the games gentlemen. I shall miss our pisstaking pm's a lot. Give my love to Carly and good luck with the house move m8.

powerlevel has to be against the spirit of the game right?

 

[Annisa]

<Banning Requiel and his GM"'s for killing the spirit of the game>

Game Over

 

[eel]

unbelievable tbh.To actually say its against the sotg after the 4am crew been taking the piss for this long and to sit back and do nothing about it

nuff said.

 

[Nuxtobatns]

First of all, the CoC mentions nothing about this kind of action, just simple refering to SotG is just rediculous since there are 10000000 of actions every day that could be refered to this. GoA would have any customers left at all if banned all that acted against the SotG.

Also they have already made a ruling with this particular action and the result was: "A guild can do what it will with a keep it has claimed." So that ruling should overrule all CoC references until they change that officially.

All of the above should have left GoA with 2 decisitions:

Go in officially in the game, and releasing the keep for someone else to claim. And going out on the official website clearly stating that this is against the CoC.

OR

Let the ingame be as it was, and say nothing leaving it at: You can do what you want with a claimed keep.

Banning someone for this is just wrong and a bully attitude that we havent paied them for. And banning the BF GM just makes it look lika a witch hunt.

We and GoA must always remember that we are all paying customers, and even the individual must be protected by them. They should never be allowed to sacrifice one customer, because next time it will be you who are left out to dry randomly.

/Charmangle

What he said.


PS: Lemons

 

[Tuthmes]

GoA are effectively telling us what is and isnt in our own and in our realms interest, like as individuals we cant decide for ourselves.

Its perfectly feasible that in a particular situation a guild feels it is not in their and their realm's interest in holding on to a particular relic.

For example:

Albs take an enemy relic in the early hours of the morning, and place it in Renaris.

The guild holding Renaris concludes that the hostility created among both enemy realms from conducting an early morning/late night raid, and the subsequent attention it is likely to attract in the way of both enemy realms concentrating their efforts on taking keeps/tower in albion outweighs the benifit of having the relic.

Rather, ther guild holding Renaris decide that it is in their and their realm long term interest to encourage a quick and easy loss of the relic in Renaris, thus ensuring that they reduce risk of a protracted double team offensive by the enemy whereby all 3 relics held by albion come under threat and in the event of trying to defend all 3 the loose 2 or more (and we've seen this many times).

The guild holding Renaris also decides that it is in their and their realm's long temr interest to proceed with a primetime relic raid once/if the relic in renaris has been lost. Thus hopeing that in the near term future they once again have an enemy relic in renaris, but this time one that has been obtained in a manner that is less likely to cause Albion as a realm a net negative outcome longterm.

End of example.


The tools are their in the game with which to make decisons (this includes raiding and any hour and includes lower keep lvls/releasing keeps). If de facto releasing or lowering the lvl of a keep holding a relic is against the spirit of the game, or griefing, or (my favourite) amounts to conspiracy then it should not be possible to do.

In short who the hell are GoA to tell others how to decide what is and isnt in their own and their realms interest.

Well said.

 

[Gahn]

the difference is.. TT lowered level of keep and basically said "Hiya hibs have your relic back..we have lowered the keep lvl for that reason "TT admited they done is specifically for that reason" ... and not to save BPs etc if it was released/lowered in a non relic keep.

if u cant see the difference u really need to take your head out of your arse.

It was exactly the same u idiot, AoD lowered the keep cause bored of iRvR to let Hibs retake it, so pls take your own advice and have a wash after cause it will be clearly covered with shit, capish?

 

[BloodOmen]

:worthy:

I can only agree with requiel tbh.

well yes you would you little arse kissing dummy spitter

 

[Ryuno]

Should come to the US servers tbh. The grass REALLY IS GREENER on the other side. Lag isnt really noticable, and you don't get all this kind of bullshit. People are suprisingly friendly, and there is already alot of EU peeps over there.

Its alot of fun.

 

[Lethul]

why did those fucking 00:00-06:00 spaniards place it in TT's keep?

 

[Gahn]

so i have to goto bed when u do ? i play the game when i can in my spare time (normally early afternoon or late night... cos i tend to work 3pm-12am... so because its late..next time i finish work i wont login so i dont get flamed?

have you never been ingame 12am-5am im sure at one point in your daoc gameing you have been up that late (id actually bet u have MANY times)

so stop acting like you some sort of person who logs off at a decent time and then goes to sleep like a good lil schoolboy ready for school the next day.

p.s and just to clarify i aint been on a RR for years .. let alone a AC one.i Do think they are lame.. but.. end of the day you cant tell sum1 when they can or cant.. cos u dont pay there subs and the game is 24/7 doesnt and wont stop just because u goto bed.

The 2 statements clearly clash with each other, i play at late night (whoever the fuck denies this right to u, and yes i did it sometimes and checked that there is clearly a MINORITY of ppl who plays late night compared to rest of us) but i don't AC at those hours cause i know it's lame. Get a grip then and stand on side of ppl stating that it is against interest of ALL playerbase.

 

[QuickStix]

It was exactly the same u idiot, AoD lowered the keep cause bored of iRvR to let Hibs retake it, so pls take your own advice and have a wash after cause it will be clearly covered with shit, capish?

ooo ty for the insult i can imagine u sat there frustrated as hell cos lost relics .. booohoo!

i was playing glast still when AoD thing happened. so i didnt know about it... and u didnt mention it (in any detail) and i aint pyscic and i do take my own advice... i play this game for fun and i dont flame/disrespect any1 elses views on how they want to play the game.as every1 has there own ideals of how they want to play.

but what i dont do is spit my dummy out when we lose a relic.. leave server and then flame any1 who has a different opinion to me.Unlike some!!