Bye :)

[Aerendur]

i fail to see how grieving a AC relic is...so if what u saying is true.. then REGARDLESS of the time Relics taken its greiving people? Yes Ac is lame.. but the game is 24/7 only way it will EVER be stopped is to 100% stop relics being taken 12am-12pm which will never happen. Is all the FGs that pwn me CONSTANT when im solo grieving hence bannable? lol Yes its a grey area.. but end of day its a 24.7 game .

The relics and keeps are ingame to have battles over them. Fight your way through the enemy to get the keep and in the end the relic. If you go around that in one way or another, then you are grieving the players from those realms you deny the defense chance.

I agree that its not GOA's doing that relics can be taken in the night, but it is just as much not their doing that people can lower keep levels. So they have to react to both in the same manner.

There would be a solution to all this grief. Stop relics being able to be taken when player base drops under a certain number of possible defenders. Just like you have sick relic defending mobs after a server reset or patch! But then finding a solution is not the problem here.

 

[Penlid]

ooo ty for the insult i can imagine u sat there frustrated as hell cos lost relics .. booohoo!

Facts meight facts! We left before this shit !

 

[Frozodo]

Right. I am going to make one post and one post only on this topic. I will not reply to PMs regarding this and I will not enter into a discussion via RightNow except with the accounts concerned. Also I will not disclose logs or discuss details of what sanctions may or may not have been applied to various accounts.

Spirit of the game is a very subjective term which is why it isn't down to any one person's point of view. The English team discussed the incident and we all came to the same conclusion. This is not about any one GMs personal feelings or ideals, it came from a discussion about whether this sort of behaviour should be considered acceptable or not. Downgrading the keep isn't against the spirit of the game neither is refusing to defend it. What was the sticking point for us was the combination of intent and action. The intention was clearly to sabotage their realm and the efforts of those who had taken the relic.

I'm not going to get drawn into a debate as to whether or not 'AC raids' are a good thing or not - on a personal level I don't think they are, however from a professional level they are an entirely legitimate part of the game. Players have several means ingame and elsewhere to make their feelings known and make their stand on either side of that argument. You have the right to attend or not to attend a raid or a defence to attack an enemy or to leave him be. These are things that are personal choices and have little effect outside of a very small sphere of influence. No guild or alliance however has the right to undermine the efforts of their realm though. If you don't agree with the way the relic was taken then that is fine and you are fully entitled to your opinion, if your guild happens to be paying the bounty points for the keep with the relic in it then by all means hand the keep off to a guild that doesn't share your views on defending the relic, you do not have the right however to unilaterally sabotage its defence. The relic does not belong to you or your guild, it belongs to your realm. Acting against the interests of your realm in a material manner is very clearly against the spirit of the game, a line has been crossed hence action has to be taken.

Regarding the application of the spirit of the game clause in other situations. I've seen people compare this to the 'adding' issue. The same rules apply. You are not obliged to attack an enemy or defend a friend. You are not however allowed to actively assist an enemy against your own realm. By design the game gives you very few ways in which it's possible to do this, marking friendly stealthers for an enemy is pretty much as far as it goes under normal circumstances. The issue of releasing keeps for iRvR is a grey area which we look into on a case by case basis (and yes, people have got into trouble for that in the past when it was clear that they were crossrealming), however that does not have the same impact that offering a relic on a plate to the enemy does.

Ultimately the game is about 3 realms fighting. If people keep that in mind, they are unlikely to find themselves in trouble.

4yrs i pay and played, but the amount of trouble i had with these monkeys im happy i went to US at least they havent got bib controlling the game and also they know how to stick to their rules woohoo... they dont add extra bollox into the rules like /emotion because by all means u r meant to kill and taunt ur enemy as it is RvR!! tbh this makes more people come to US which is awesom the more europeans the better... so by all means keep up this good work u guys are doing and fill up the us server maybe then u will all get boated from running WAR... if not i would defo playing us because trusting u again is far off.. no offend but if u pay for a service u aint getting whats the point like going to a shoe shop ask one of the staff for a pair of shoes and she tell u get lost after u paid for it REGARDING of what question is next to come!..

 

[Tuthmes]

I'm just going to clear up one point that I forgot to make in my earlier post.
There was never any 'ruling from us' that was later reversed. We were asked many times about this incident before we made our decision and at no point did we say that it was legitimate or that we would not take action. We did say that we would not interfere ingame (by for example moving the relic or releasing the keep to another guild) however we always stated when asked that we'd be looking into the wider issue of whether the CoC had been broken and would possibly take action accordingly.

So basically you fell for the whinge of the QQ'ing albs about the lvl 1 keep, at which they couldnt do anything about. Neither could you do it ingame, though to compromise, you looked into the "wider" issue of whether it could be seen as a breach of the CoC and ban the people responceble for lowering the keep? Though this is very possible to do ingame and nowhere does it say you can't do it.
Seriously, the more i read it, the more i think wtf.

 

[Gahn]

ooo ty for the insult i can imagine u sat there frustrated as hell cos lost relics .. booohoo!

i was playing glast still when AoD thing happened. so i didnt know about it... and u didnt mention it (in any detail) and i aint pyscic and i do take my own advice... i play this game for fun and i dont flame/disrespect any1 elses views on how they want to play the game.as every1 has there own ideals of how they want to play.

but what i dont do is spit my dummy out when we lose a relic.. leave server and then flame any1 who has a different opinion to me.Unlike some!!

So y the heck u come here and spit your truths when u know fuck nothing? Like u keep going with the one liner "bohohoh u lost a relic and leave server" disregarding all the reasoning posted by me and MANY others on y it isn't worth playing in here no more.
Says it all about how much time am losing "speaking" with ya.
Be happy and have a nice day.
Waiting eagerly for the time when i will make my one liner in a "omg Cluster is dead" thread by one of your morons.

One Liner: "We told ya pricks! What goes around comes around!"

 

[QuickStix]

The 2 statements clearly clash with each other, i play at late night (whoever the fuck denies this right to u, and yes i did it sometimes and checked that there is clearly a MINORITY of ppl who plays late night compared to rest of us) but i don't AC at those hours cause i know it's lame. Get a grip then and stand on side of ppl stating that it is against interest of ALL playerbase.

how do they clash ? i stated i do play late nights/early mornings.. and that i do think AC is lame.

and as for standing on side of ALL... who are you to speak for every1 ? we have players in our guild from Australia..
they tend to play 5am-11/12pm ... so they pay there subs and because payers from those regions will NEVER be online at those prime times.. your saying that they shouldnt be allowed to participate in a relic raid? i personally think players who pay there own subs can do pretty much what they want.. when they want.. as long as dont break the game rules. and yes OFC late night players are far outnumbered by regular time players.. but that doesnt mean they shouldnt be able to take part in all the raids this game has to offer in rvr.

 

[Craparoni]

what a mess this is, i wont blame Goa for this even tho this particular incident is handled poorly. I rather point my finger at some pps in the community that couldnt have some sort of honor code and dont mess with a fragile situation.

This will only drag this server closer to its doom, u guys can think about that for a while.

Damn the precious, cursed it is!

 

[Horner]

Its a totally unjustifiable action. Before contravention of the CoC was pretty clearly defined, boundaries were obvious - you emote spam someone you get a ban, you insult someone you get a ban. This now completely clouds the whole player griefing issue, such that if someone leaves a 1v1 a ban could be justified.

Its sets a very nasty precedant.

Right now them in support of sollers. Immediate reinstatement and a free month should be adequate compensation.

You need to learn to read .

"Specifically conspiring to downgrade a keep containing a relic to expedeite a retake by an enemy realm"

Comparing this to a 1VS1 shows what a big tard you always were .

AND LMFAO at all the tards threatening to cancel their subs !

You honestly think that that would have any impact whatsoever on mythic's income ? You think they will ask for your forgiveness and not care about the American , the French and the German customers ?

You are a minority in a very small cluster

Quit your subs if you got any balls and begone !

 

[QuickStix]

So y the heck u come here and spit your truths when u know fuck nothing? Like u keep going with the one liner "bohohoh u lost a relic and leave server" disregarding all the reasoning posted by me and MANY others on y it isn't worth playing in here no more.
Says it all about how much time am losing "speaking" with ya.
Be happy and have a nice day.
Waiting eagerly for the time when i will make my one liner in a "omg Cluster is dead" thread by one of your morons.

One Liner: "We told ya pricks! What goes around comes around!"

why do i know nothing ? all the dummy spitting .. whinging and moaning and people leaving server is cos of an AC raid (yes maybe prioor events led to it) but it still all about an AC.. not a keep that got lowered to stop IRVR so wether i know what happened regarding that incidentis irelavant. ive made my comments on what ive read the last few days. not based on months of events leadind to it

 

[MaditioN]

Fucking hypocrites at goa, ban all those that does ac raids then.

Glad this game is coming to an end, sad to see same jerks picking up WAR tho.

 

[Gahn]

how do they clash ? i stated i do play late nights/early mornings.. and that i do think AC is lame.

and as for standing on side of ALL... who are you to speak for every1 ? we have players in our guild from Australia..
they tend to play 5am-11/12pm ... so they pay there subs and because payers from those regions will NEVER be online at those prime times.. your saying that they shouldnt be allowed to participate in a relic raid? i personally think players who pay there own subs can do pretty much what they want.. when they want.. as long as dont break the game rules. and yes OFC late night players are far outnumbered by regular time players.. but that doesnt mean they shouldnt be able to take part in all the raids this game has to offer in rvr.

They do clash cause even if u play at ungodly hours, u got the minimum brain requirement to understand that pveing a relic or half of an enemy frontier doesn't do any good to server overall pop.
That said i prolly overstimated your intelligence.

 

[Zede]

"The Plane" "The Plane"


Hervé Villechaize is getting the cocktails ready just now for the arrival of Requiel and the "English Team"


Their fantasy is the be the GMs of a server with a population of 1000s, being just and fair to all, bringing balance to the multitude of players.

**Reality all comes crashing down***

**English team wake up**

ah shit, it actually appears the pander to the wishes of 2fg of Albs on shift work, who couldnt give a fuck about anyone else, ah well.

 

[BloodOmen]

You need to learn to read .

"Specifically conspiring to downgrade a keep containing a relic to expedeite a retake by an enemy realm"

Comparing this to a 1VS1 shows what a big tard you always were .

AND LMFAO at all the tards threatening to cancel their subs !

You honestly think that that would have any impact whatsoever on mythic's income ? You think they will ask for your forgiveness and not care about the American , the French and the German customers ?

You are a minority in a very small cluster

Quit your subs if you got any balls and begone !

was wondering how long it would take before teh noob would reply to the thread although i do agree with one thing he said... cancelling subs really wont bother goa since they still have plenty of french/german servers shoot me please i agreed with horner

 

[Gahn]

why do i know nothing ? all the dummy spitting .. whinging and moaning and people leaving server is cos of an AC raid (yes maybe prioor events led to it) but it still all about an AC.. not a keep that got lowered to stop IRVR so wether i know what happened regarding that incidentis irelavant. ive made my comments on what ive read the last few days. not based on months of events leadind to it

U do actually read posts before replying, u know fuck nothing was leaned towards the TT thing and the comparison with what GMs stated when AoD did pretty much the same.
Now if u can't see a double standards by GMs in this i really dunno what u need to uncover your eyes.

 

[kirennia]

You honestly think that that would have any impact whatsoever on mythic's income ? You think they will ask for your forgiveness and not care about the American , the French and the German customers ?

Of course not because goa run our servers...

 

[QuickStix]

They do clash cause even if u play at ungodly hours, u got the minimum brain requirement to understand that pveing a relic or half of an enemy frontier doesn't do any good to server overall pop.
That said i prolly overstimated your intelligence.

if a person doesnt login cos they lost a relic.. sorry but IMO good riddance... its just the same if Bainshees and WLs got nerfed..A lot of them "would" stop playing.. they just L33t Wannabes and im glad to see em go. And as said further up many who have left will be back soon. wether it be when this issue subsides.. or when next xpack here.. lots will return.

 

[Gahn]

if a person doesnt login cos they lost a relic.. sorry but IMO good riddance... its just the same if Bainshees and WLs got nerfed..A lot of them "would" stop playing.. they just L33t Wannabes and im glad to see em go. And as said further up many who have left will be back soon. wether it be when this issue subsides.. or when next xpack here.. lots will return.

Kk have fun xD

 

[charmangle]

they werent loosely based TT said themselves

Yes they were loosly based, because it is only 1 person that got banned in TT, and alot of people wrote about it, and it wasnt against the CoC when AoD did it this summer, also the GM of Black Falcon was banned, and he hadnt admitted to releasing it as part of a great plan to overthrow the Albion community. On the contrary...

So in two word, the decision is random and loosly based!

Mate, cant you see what this is leading to? A policestat daoc, with random bans, people dropping out in masses and nothing good can come from this. And you are one of those 3-4 people that actually brought this about, ruining a 5 year experience for dozens of people, that cant feel good.:/

/Charmangle

ps. Im one more in those dozens and dozens of people, that are in a real jam here. I just rerolled Avalon, and have a great time there, but I dont want to give any more money to this company. Paying them to bully me around and generally be able to treat me like crap based on others opinions like yours, so...I dont know what Ill do...well see if I just let my subs run out at the end of the period...if you Congrats youve gotten another dedicated player to leave the game and costing GoA 40 euros a month. ds

 

[Ceraniel]

You need to learn to read .

"Specifically conspiring to downgrade a keep containing a relic to expedeite a retake by an enemy realm"

Comparing this to a 1VS1 shows what a big tard you always were .

AND LMFAO at all the tards threatening to cancel their subs !

You honestly think that that would have any impact whatsoever on mythic's income ? You think they will ask for your forgiveness and not care about the American , the French and the German customers ?

You are a minority in a very small cluster

Quit your subs if you got any balls and begone !

Valid points by all means(would have looked better without the swearing though). Even though we are a small population on a small cluster still doesn`t mean that you are to be ignored. Many players on this cluster actively helped very much in the creation of the game on the US test servers. Won`t start showing models and shit, but this just breaks with any theory concerning customer relations ever made, and i believe the feeling of not beeing important(as you stated) applies to many. For a GM job in any game as this industry of mmorpg has changed massively the last 6-7 years it should be manadatory to be educated in customer relations and external communications instead of just beeing very eager and know computers. From numerous statements made by GM`s it is clear that the basic principles are non-excistant.

 

[QuickStix]

U do actually read posts before replying, u know fuck nothing was leaned towards the TT thing and the comparison with what GMs stated when AoD did pretty much the same.
Now if u can't see a double standards by GMs in this i really dunno what u need to uncover your eyes.

you like to swear a lot regarding your posts dont ya .. does it make yaself feel hard when u do it? or is it because u cant think of a better word to use.

as said in other thread i am neither Against or for what TT done .. hence dont know why u keep bringing that up.

But as for the Bans i can see Goa POV.Altho sad they banned. Its not as if requiel idnt make a valid point.and as said i cant comment on AoD thing cos i dont know full story

Maybe its u thats ignorant and cant see why?

 

[Gahn]

you like to swear a lot regarding your posts dont ya .. does it make yaself feel hard when u do it? or is it because u cant think of a better word to use.

as said in other thread i am neither Against or for what TT done .. hence dont know why u keep bringing that up.

But as for the Bans i can see Goa POV.Altho sad they banned. Its not as if requiel idnt make a valid point.and as said i cant comment on AoD thing cos i dont know full story

Maybe its u thats ignorant and cant see why?

Sure whatever comes to your dreamland.
Oh and just for history records, i wasn't the one starting with "pull your head outta your arse", so be my guest and feck off my way.

 

[censi]

CM have horners endorsement!

nice guy irl camp just keeps getting stronger!

 

[Asha]

if a person doesnt login cos they lost a relic.. sorry but IMO good riddance... its just the same if Bainshees and WLs got nerfed..A lot of them "would" stop playing.. they just L33t Wannabes and im glad to see em go. And as said further up many who have left will be back soon. wether it be when this issue subsides.. or when next xpack here.. lots will return.

I'm impressed. You have managed to say the same thing 20 times without reading any of the other posts on the threads you're posting to. It's almost spooky. Like some kind of internet autism.

 

[QuickStix]

And you are one of those 3-4 people that actually brought this about, ruining a 5 year experience for dozens of people, that cant feel good.:/

/Charmangle

ps. Im one more in those dozens and dozens of people, that are in a real jam here. I just rerolled Avalon, and have a great time there, but I dont want to give any more money to this company. Paying them to bully me around and generally be able to treat me like crap based on others opinions like yours, so...I dont know what Ill do...well see if I just let my subs run out at the end of the period...if you Congrats youve gotten another dedicated player to leave the game and costing GoA 40 euros a month. ds

No i wasnt on the AC raid i aint been on a AC since pre TOA.

as for this quote from you "Paying them to bully me around and generally be able to treat me like crap based on others opinions like yours"

Does that mean i should conform to you opnion and not have one of my own?
Every1 is entitled to there own opinion if u dont like it dont listen. as for GOA when u enter th game everytime u agree to the COC.. sure the gms and GOA as a company may fuck up and get things wrong from time to time. but i agree to there terms everyday.so if dont like it dont play.

just outta curiosity.. how are the bullying you? 1plat a day and a bag of crisps at dinner hour? or they will Mezz you?

 

[QuickStix]

I'm impressed. You have managed to say the same thing 20 times without reading any of the other posts on the threads you're posting to. It's almost spooky. Like some kind of internet autism.

passes asha a hankie... see you in 5 days!

 

[Pirkel]

d000oo0oo000oooo000oo00ooo00ooom

 

[Dard]

GoA .. Doing its utmost to take the MASSIVE out of MMORPG.

To everyone thats left on the cluster, i wish you well & lots of fun in your Really Quite Small Online Roleplaying Game.

Just as a side note, can TT not tell GoA they where roleplaying 5th columnists or somthing, im sure thats within the SotG.

 

[trycorn]

passes asha a hankie... see you in 5 days!

i guess u havnt rly been reading that much in this thread ?

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

You backstabbed your own realm and were proud about it, you got banned for it. Now you can also stop dictating others how and when to play for their own realm and insulting them for the way they do it.

You can x-realm now with out of game communications on Avalon by forming a 4th ex-UK-Cluster realm there.

My views changed a bit on all this, at the beginning I didn't care much but the insults against for example CM, who had nothing to do with this relic issue, and blaming them for the death of the server shows me clearly how immature and narrow minded some people here are.

Not everything revolves about your FG fights or the possibility to have them. You need to break from this game to think about it and GoA gave it to you for free, you should be thankful .

To all the lemmings insulting GoA and Requiel, I know you would do a much better job on this. Not.

 

[QuickStix]

i guess u havnt rly been reading that much in this thread ?

why ? was it 4 days she got banned for and not 5?